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New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

New poisoning cases have been reported in Thurgau:

According to the 20 Minuten, three weeks ago a dog in Sulgen died, and another is now seriously ill after eating something poisoned last week in Schönenberg along the Thur.

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/ostschwe...efahr-27066411


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Old 07.06.2015, 08:08
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Re: New Poisoning Cases

My ex-neighbour's dog got poisoned a couple of months ago. He is a fun dog, and very well-behaved - also a rescued dog.

R.I.P, Snoop.
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Re: New Poisoning Cases

I'm so very sorry to hear this. Please extend my condolences to your neighbor.

Locally there have been several cases reported in two months.

I know this is likely the work of a few evil individuals, but this is what an overcrowded pressure-cooker egoistic society, combined with a legal system that imposes no consequences on wrong-doing, fosters.

I am saddened at what Switzerland is turning into.
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Re: New Poisoning Cases

The poor doggies and their owners! Walks now are not as enjoyable as they used to as one has to be alert and watch the dog constantly.
If I ever came across one of those b******* I would forget myself.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

This is a concern for more than just dog owners.

Owners of outdoor cats should also be cautious, and all concerned about wildlife should be angry as well. In the recent cases poison has been hidden in meat, any carnivore is at risk.

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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

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This is a concern for more than just dog owners.

Owners of outdoor cats should also be cautious, and all concerned about wildlife should be angry as well. In the recent cases poison has been hidden in meat, any carnivore is at risk.

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Indeed. We lost a moggie to rat-type poison, Warfarin or similar anitocoagulant, here on the French side some years ago. FRom the quantity that must have been ingested most likely it was put out as bait for foxes, which apparently are still regarded as a pest by some of the yokels.

Poor Titi, just bled to death over the next day or so, RIP
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Old 08.06.2015, 23:47
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

It keeps getting worse...

In the last month 5 dogs died in Goldau SZ. Two were confirmed as having been killed by rat poison, the others are under investigation.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zen...id3786119.html


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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

These news break my heart.

I hope there is a special, very painful hell (or whatever you want to call it) for those who mistreat, abuse, and kill those that are most vulnerable - including our pet friends.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

Some people wonder why we have a very "open" garden after cutting down a very old and sad looking hedge. We have a chain link fence along the back the property which is accessible from the road.




I have heard that poisonings have not just been limited to random open areas. So I like the idea that anyone approaching our fence can be seen.

The sidewalk is not on our side and as the road curves it is rather dangerous to walk on our side and very few do.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

This is all very sad to read!

Dog owners ought to train their dogs to NOT eat anything not given them by their owners. Is IS possible. I did this in South Africa, where criminals were known to toss poisoned meat into ones garden - in preparation for a later planned "silent" approach.
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Dog owners ought to train their dogs to NOT eat anything not given them by their owners.
This is something we regularly work on both at home and in the Hundeschule - but even so, one cannot relax vigilance. Especially if one has adopted dogs who were forced to scavange on the streets in their previous lives.

Given the general anti-dog mood these days one needs eyes in the back of one's head - and a healthy dose of paranoia.

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I have heard that poisonings have not just been limited to random open areas. So I like the idea that anyone approaching our fence can be seen.
In the case in Gross last month the poison was laid in the dog owners' private, fenced-in garden. The person targeted was the Wildhuter, perhaps it might have been a vendetta rather than a random poisoning - but even if so, that's cold comfort.

I have for years first done a check of my (private, fenced-in) garden before letting the dogs out. Now I'm thinking of taking out my border plantings. I'd hate to lose those lovely hedges, but the dogs' safety and welfare comes first.
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This is something we regularly work on both at home and in the Hundeschule - but even so, one cannot relax vigilance. Especially if one has adopted dogs who were forced to scavange on the streets in their previous lives.

Given the general anti-dog mood these days one needs eyes in the back of one's head - and a healthy dose of paranoia.

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Ja, I can understand that the situation you describe is MOST difficult, as puppies are easier to train in eating habits. Not older dogs having lived difficult hard lives.

This "anti-dog mood" these days -( I think (?) - has been agitated by those owners who don`t pick-up after their dogs (?) or let their dogs run free where they should not?
In my town one has to take shallow breaths when out walking because most of the pavements smell like dog-s**t, and have odd piles waiting to be walked or ridden thru!

Our Gemeinde has even sent out notices to this effect, and offers FREE rolls of doggy poop bags to dog owners, trying to combat this latest behaviour, and installing MORE Robbi boxes for convenience.

There is nothing more aggressive smelling than dog-poo! And I can also understand this non-ending problem driving some criminal minded loony insane enough to load poison bait.

Sad. But the old story. The good end up suffering because of the bad behaviour of the few.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

Smoky, I'm the first to condemn irresponsible dog owners. Heck, half my posts in the Pets Corner are sermons on responsible ownership.

But two wrongs do not make a right. Nothing can ever justify poisoning.

That society just shrugs it's collective shoulders saying 'selber schuld', that people here actually believe that random killing of innocent animals whose responsible owners are not part of the problem is justified, shows a level of moral bankruptcy that makes me weep for the future.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

I happened to stumble across a programme on the BBC this morning and it seems there is a real problem there too with regards to animals being poisoned.

They're not targeting dogs per se but they are becoming the unfortunate victims of the practice. It seems that animal carcasses ( rabbits etc) are being laced with poison by unscrupulous gamekeepers in an attempt to eliminate predators of their game birds ( grouse etc). This has not only led to the deaths of several dogs but is also seriously reducing the birds of prey numbers ( some of which are seriously endangered in the UK).

I find incredible that people will stoop to this level personally but they justify it by saying it's to protect their livelihood.
I'm not a dog person myself but I can't understand why anyone would deliberately want to harm them.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

I used to volunteer in the UK for a wildlife rescue- and we had many cases of animals slowly dying of guts rotting from the inside due to poison. The tell-tale sign was dark, black blood coming out of the anus or other orifices. Just horrible, and causing a slow lingering and extremely painful death.

In many cases is was due to wild animals raiding caches of grain gathered and hidden by rats, laced with poison. The dose was too small to kill quickly large mamals like badgers- but as said above, slow, horrible death.

Not the case here I am sure- but more deliberate dog poisoning. There is NO NO NO excuse- but it just shows that perhaps there are just too many irresponsible dog owners that allow their dogs to roam without supervision, or faul the streets and parks without picking up, etc. Everytime a dog owner allows their dog to cause havoc out there, or leave filth in parks or crops- the risk of poisoning and other terrible acts will ensue. Meloncollie has said it so many times- time for dog owners to up their game. Very sad.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

Odile, I agree that dog owners need to take their responsibilities seriously, to be polite and respectful of others as we share public spaces.

Nonetheless we must not link the behavior of one set of (irresponsible) owners with the (purported) motivation to deliberately commit a crime. Doing so gives the appearance not only of validating the mindset of the sick evil barstewards, but also of blaming the victims.

The two issues must be kept separate.


There can never be any justification for the deliberate poisoning of animals.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

Even if there are too many irresponsible dog owners, it's still not the dogs' fault! The poor creatures just do what they were taught to do (or not taught not to do). Every single person that is capable of laying down poison for any animal belongs behind bars. Period. What if a child picks it up?
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Odile, I agree that dog owners need to take their responsibilities seriously, to be polite and respectful of others as we share public spaces.

Nonetheless we must not link the behavior of one set of (irresponsible) owners with the (purported) motivation to deliberately commit a crime. Doing so gives the appearance not only of validating the mindset of the sick evil barstewards, but also of blaming the victims.

The two issues must be kept separate.


There can never be any justification for the deliberate poisoning of animals.
Absolutely, I agree. However I do feel that those bad owners also need to realise that others and many animals, may well be the vicitims of their actions. But NO NO NO excuses ever.
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In many cases is was due to wild animals raiding caches of grain gathered and hidden by rats, laced with poison. The dose was too small to kill quickly large mamals like badgers- but as said above, slow, horrible death..
That's how rat poison work. Slow and late, as this animals are smart and first send out a scout to try the new food, lets call him Remy. If the food is poisoned, Remy takes one for the pack. Now, rats may be smart but they are hungry as well. If Remy survives for two days the food must be good and the others eat it as well.

Slow acting poisons are anticoagulants ("blood thinners") such as Warfarin. This explains the dark blood out of all orifices. Rats will die the same horrible death.
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Re: New [Dog] Poisoning Cases

What the wildlife hospital vets told us, is that this slow and very painful internal destruction is much worse for larger animals (in France this is a real problem with Coypu too) because the amount ingested compared to body weight is much smaller than for a rat. It can take weeks to kill a badger and coypu- a few hours perhaps with a rat, depending on amount ingested (but yes... not a nice way to go, that is for sure). But as said, a total different issue here- whether foxes or dogs are targeted- is not always clear.
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