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Installing electric fence

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I need some help and information about how to instal an electric fence.
I have never had one, never needed and now I want to instal one on my balcony-on the ground floor- for cats. I need it for about 8 meters.
Has anyone already done that any suggestions how to do it?
Please only reply if you have experience, and don't pick at the topic.
Thank you for the answers in advanced.
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Old 25.09.2015, 20:02
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Has anyone already done that any suggestions how to do it?
Please only reply if you have experience, and don't pick at the topic.
Thank you for the answers in advanced.
My qualifications to answer this, if you'll permit me, relate more to my skills in using the search function of this forum: http://cse.google.com/cse?sitesearch...nce&gsc.page=1
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Re: Installing electric fence

Landi sells them. Ask there.
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Re: Installing electric fence

I did search before posting.

I would like to know details from people how already set up an electric fence, if there is anyone on the forum.
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Old 25.09.2015, 20:33
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I did search before posting.

I would like to know details from people how already set up an electric fence, if there is anyone on the forum.
Yes I have.

Is it to keep your cats in or other cats out? Either way there's probably some law against it (and rightly so) and anyway cats, unlike cows, can jump quite high over a fence.

Having said all that, I heard a cow jumped over the moon once. My kids have a book with that in.
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I did search before posting.

I would like to know details from people how already set up an electric fence, if there is anyone on the forum.
I'd be careful relying on electric fences - they're not very reliable. A mate of mine tried to use an electric fence to keep his collection of lizards together and he had no end of problems when they got out.

Fortunately, he managed to catch it all on video.

Good luck!
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Old 25.09.2015, 20:53
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Re: Installing electric fence

Herewith, please find detailed instructions how to set up an electric fence

http://www.grangecoop.com/building-your-electric-fence/
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Re: Installing electric fence

Jacek, there is no mention about cats in the article, only very big mammals.
I don't want to hurt them. I just to show them where is their territory.
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Old 25.09.2015, 22:28
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Jacek, there is no mention about cats in the article, only very big mammals.
I don't want to hurt them. I just to show them where is their territory.
Ok, for little rodents and mammals (cats included) there is a useful video showing budget fence installed on balcony. Never mind a guy who sounds a bit like high on dope!

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Old 25.09.2015, 22:35
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Re: Installing electric fence

Problem with refugees?

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Re: Installing electric fence

Have you considered an IR movement sensor operated water sprinkler?

Otherwise, just buy metre high chicken wire and plug in to an outside mains plug - that'll deter the buggers.
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Re: Installing electric fence

My electric fence experience is mainly for keeping 2 legged animals out of properties... does that count?
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Re: Installing electric fence

Before you start installing electric fences you need to understand the legal situation.

For instance, please see post 11 on this thread, one of the threads linked by me.anon above:

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Note that there is a general ban under the TSchV, and in the Thurgau case the large size of the area (40m by 60m) was a key point in the Bundesgericht's decision to allow that fence.

The advice given in that thread still stands. Get a ruling on the legality of what you plan to do before going further.

ETA:

From the BLV, in their explanation of the revisions to the TSchV of 01.14 where the ban on electric fences for dogs was extended to cats and other animals, see Art 16 notes:

http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/tiers...Sn6A--&lang=de
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Old 26.09.2015, 08:29
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Re: Installing electric fence

Can't you put up some sort of netting like mosquito protection?
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From the BLV, in their explanation of the revisions to the TSchV of 01.14 where the ban on electric fences for dogs was extended to cats and other animals, see Art 16 notes:

http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/tiers...Sn6A--&lang=de
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Usage of fence systems which have electrifying effect on an animal's body via a receiver device, shall be explicitly and generally prohibited. Due to Art. 76 paragraph 2 this prohibition has only been valid for dogs until now. But in practice, these fence systems are also used for other animal species, e.g. cats. They are sometimes called invisible fence systems because the wire is hidden or buried. When the animal steps over the wire, the receiver device sends electric impulses to the animal's body.

In the current TschV (Art. 16 paragraph 2), these fences are prohibited for all types of animals.
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Re: Installing electric fence

You can buy cheap devices that produce a high frequency sound which dogs and cats do not like. I bought one which claimed to keep insects away: it does, and cats and dogs avoid my terrace as well.

Last year I planted some tomato plants, and all summer the cats came and crapped in my garden. This summer I haven't seen one cat around my terrace, about 5 cats live on the other side of the house. Annoying for me is that dogs must be kept on the leash here, but cats can do what they like.

The supplier.. http://www.pearl.ch/ch-mtrkw-1796-ul...rtreiber.shtml
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Re: Installing electric fence

I had a bit of a shock when I found out my parents had put an electric fence around their house.
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You can buy cheap devices that produce a high frequency sound which dogs and cats do not like.
Please don't. Some poor humans can hear the noise too, and it isn't pleasant.
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Old 26.09.2015, 12:39
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You can buy cheap devices that produce a high frequency sound which dogs and cats do not like.
Just an FYI, there are also some restrictions to the use of these ultrasound devices.

A good explanation as to how the TSchV is put into practice, from the Suzy Utzinger foundation, scroll to the bottom for 'Katzenschreck' :

http://www.tierschutz.com/publikatio...ungsmittel.pdf

Roughly translated,, the use of such devises on your own private property is allowed as long as animals have sufficient space to be able to avoid the device.

It is not allowed, however, to install the device so that the sensor or sound reaches a neighboring property.

Installing one of these devices on a balcony or inside where an animal cannot escape is contrary to animal welfare, as every step could trigger it leaving the animal in constant discomfort. (My note: As in, use to contain a resident pet.)

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And I will second DB's comment. These are indeed audible to some, perhaps many, people. If you use one you should ask the neighbors if they can hear it and if so, adjust or remove it so no one is disturbed.

The difficulty in using these ultrasound devices in a typical Swiss neighborhood is that many have a range greater than our tiny private spaces. As above, the sensor or sound is not allowed to extend beyond your own private property, and there must be enough space beyond the range of the device to allow an animal to avoid it.

The Suzy Utzinger (which, for those unfamiliar with this foundation, is a respected animal welfare organization) article also discusses the use of other devices intended to cause pain or discomfort, and points out that purchase and use are sometimes regulated differently. Well worth reading.
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Old 26.09.2015, 12:54
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Re: Installing electric fence

I have one in our garden that works only up to 10 meters. So I have measured it out that the cats can still walk at the end of our garden (where for some unknown reason they donīt want to crap) but avoid the rest. It stops and doesnīt work at concrete fences (at the sides of our garden) so it doesnīt go any further than that.
The sound cannot be heard by humans, at least if you keep it at the "cat" position. There is a different one for wild boars etc (yes, it is in Berlin and they have loads of them) but that can be heard by humans as well.

I realize that not everyone advocates this and people may find it wrong, but I am at the end of my wit in trying to get the beasties to do their business anywhere else (all the "regular" ways didnīt work).

I love cats but not having them crap in my garden...... And as the neighbours donīt think this a problem..... This is a better solution (I hope) than pickung up the stuff and throwing it into their garden
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