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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

Honestly, Odile, every time you write "Rabbies" I foam at the mouth with anger.
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

I lean more toward a dup account from someone who knows exactlay how to push our buttons.

Otherwise, burning is too good for them! According to the story that pup was way to young to leave it's mother. Selfish pr1ck.

But as I say, probably a troll.

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@OP: what happened, happened. Try to sort it out now and get the dog vaccinated.
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

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Looking at the user name, I am guessing a Samoyed. It appears that there is a breeder in Zurich. http://www.samoyed.ch/en/ueber_uns.htm

Probably the OP found their puppy through some ad on the internet.
I just wondered i it would help track down the name of the breeder if they are Russian, well known in the EU, and deal in specific breeds.
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

I hope that this is a troll, and that there is no puppy.

If there is a puppy, then I hope that this gets sorted, for the puppy's sake.

But as a warning to anyone irresponsible enough to import a dog illegally...


There have been many cases where a dog/puppy brought into Switzerland without a valid rabies vaccine has been seized and euthanized. A quick google will bring up plenty of stories with the same sad ending.


So to the OP - you must get the dog to a vet. A vet is a mandatory reporter. If you illegally imported the dog then the vet is bound in law to report you to the Veterinäramt. Where it will go from there is out of your hands.

Assuming the story is indeed true, then shame, shame, shame on the irresponsible OP for putting this puppy at such a risk.


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By the way - since you were irresponsible enough to import a puppy illegally, one wonders if you have done the SKN Theory course prior to purchasing the pup, as per law. If not, that may also come to light in the report to the Veterinäramt, so you might be fined for that infraction as well. But sadly, it may be your puppy who pays the ultimate price for your irresponsibility.
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Old 08.12.2015, 09:29
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A classic EF "burn the witch thread"
No, more like a classic 'I've broken the law, I will get caught, and I joined the EF hoping someone has a way to get me out of the shit I deserve' thread.

Which bit of the dodgy breeder, irresponsible owner, breaking of laws, and the putting of the pup and any any dogs who come into contact with it at risk are you OK with k_and_e?
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

"dodgy breeder, irresponsible owner, breaking of laws" are all DONE. Past tense.

As a human i would feel that in case a solution is possible - that does not involve putting down the poor little puppy - it should be adopted.

I do hope the cantonal vet office can give the rabies vaccine and arrange for the mandatory quarantine. And obviously the owner would would have to pay for it all AND fined a nice 'Swiss' amount for his sheer irresponsibility bordering on dishonesty.

I feel merely cursing the owners actions does not get us anywhere vis-a-vis the situation.

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Old 08.12.2015, 09:44
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"dodgy breeder, irresponsible owner, breaking of laws" are all DONE. Past tense.

As a human i would feel that in case a solution is possible - that does not involve putting down the poor little puppy - it should be adopted.

I do hope the cantonal vet office can give the rabies vaccine and arrange for the mandatory quarantine. And obviously the owner would would have to pay for it all AND fined a nice 'Swiss' amount for his sheer irresponsibility bordering on dishonesty.

I feel merely cursing the owners actions does not get us anywhere vis-a-vis the situation.
I was just about to write something along similar lines.

The fact of the matter is what's done is done, right or wrong. The priority now is the health and well being of the puppy. Let's face it, it's not the puppy's fault, is it?
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Old 08.12.2015, 09:50
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Let's face it, it's not the puppy's fault, is it?
Exactly, no it isn't, but the innocent puppy could (fingers crossed it won't though) pay the ultimate price for the wholly illegal and irresponsible actions of the OP and breeder.... but it's just a dog right, so no problem.
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Old 08.12.2015, 10:02
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I was just about to write something along similar lines.

The fact of the matter is what's done is done, right or wrong. The priority now is the health and well being of the puppy. Let's face it, it's not the puppy's fault, is it?
Of course it is not the puppy's fault.

But that is cold comfort to the many dead puppies that have been ordered euthanized by the Veterinäramt when found to be illegally imported without valid rabies vacs.

Which is why I am so angry with the OP. And that anger should be voiced so that others understand that consequences do exist, even in lax Switzerland.

There have been numerous articles in the papers of puppies being seized and euthanized - yet irresponsible people keep importing pups illegally.

If you choose to skirt the law I wouldn't be (much) bothered if you were the only one who stood to pay the penalty. But don't play with an innocent creature's life.
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Old 08.12.2015, 10:14
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I lean more toward a dup account from someone who knows exactlay how to push our buttons.

But as I say, probably a troll.
I have made the same call in another thread. First post, highly contentious issue. Last logged in at midnight. but last post twenty minutes earlier, plenty of posts from others in that twenty minute gap, which is presumably the payoff the OP wanted.
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Which bit of the dodgy breeder, irresponsible owner, breaking of laws, and the putting of the pup and any any dogs who come into contact with it at risk are you OK with k_and_e?
i'm not ok with any of them but it is a bit too late to do something about it
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A classic EF "burn the witch thread"

@OP: what happened, happened. Try to sort it out now and get the dog vaccinated.
Well of course- we hope this particular case can be sorted at this stage. I don't want to 'burn the witch' and hope she can find a solution-

but I do want to stop that breeder and others doing the same again and again - so measures have to be taken before its too late. For the dogs, and for the wildlife, beasts and humans in Switzerland. Most of you are too young to remember the days when rabies was a real problem here- and just how difficult (and expensive) it was to eradicate- finally succeeding not very long ago.
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Old 08.12.2015, 10:34
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Well of course- we hope this particular case can be sorted at this stage. I don't want to 'burn the witch' and hope she can find a solution-

but I do want to stop that breeder and others doing the same again and again - so measures have to be taken before its too late. For the dogs, and for the wildlife, beasts and humans in Switzerland. Most of you are too young to remember the days when rabies was a real problem here- and just how difficult (and expensive) it was to eradicate- finally succeeding not very long ago.
I am amazed that it has been eradicated as many wild animals, cats included can enter CH on their own without any paperwork.
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Old 08.12.2015, 10:41
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

The Valais Cantonal Vets and wildlife rangers are constantly on the look out - as rabies is still endemic in parts of Italy and Slovenia- and yes, it is indeed a concern.
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I am amazed that it has been eradicated as many wild animals, cats included can enter CH on their own without any paperwork.
I'm not sure anywhere is rabies free, there was even a human fatality in the Scottish highland a few years back where a roofer was bitten by an infected bat (or an SNP member).... the rumours of rabid Haggises roam in' in the gloamin' were untrue.
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I am amazed that it has been eradicated as many wild animals, cats included can enter CH on their own without any paperwork.
Oral vaccination can deal with the treatment of wild animals in a locality.

Wild animals don't travel thousands of miles by car or plane and get smuggled across borders.
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The Valais Cantonal Vets and wildlife rangers are constantly on the look out - as rabies is still endemic in parts of Italy and Slovenia- and yes, it is indeed a concern.
Not just in Valais.

We had a hunter sit in our garden with his rifle for three days as a fox had decided to take up residence and was acting very un-fox like and a bit too friendly.
Rabies was one concern.
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

Well I hope the OP will take the dog to a vet today- and that they will find a solution. I also hope that the Cantonal Vet will get involved, and only agree to help in this case in exchange for information on the so-called 'breeder' and their practices. It's clear that they falsify documents and import regularly, from OP's posts- and they, and the likes of them, have to be stopped.

Of course, the best way to stop them, it TO STOP BUYING FROM THEM.

(frothing at the mouth StirB- yes I am. Not about the OP, but about the dogs and the risks to wildlife, farm animals and humans. I remember quite vividly the times when rabies was a real problem here- and all the dead chickens with rabies vacines strewn around the countryside, and the fear of foxes and other wildlife instilled into us in the 50s).

Of course many foxes become too friendly these days because stupid people feed them. So it makes spotting a fox from behaviour alone much harder than in the past.

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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

Hey, let't get the facts straight. It is LEGAL to bring puppies from abroad WITHOUT a rabies vaccine (if they are too young to get it). The breeder has to sign a statement saying the pup was always with the mother and was never near any wild animals (obviously, this has to be the truth).

EDIT: Russia is one of the countries with low-risk of rabies, so it's not the breeder who signs the statement, but a vet (source: http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/04670...x.html?lang=en )

"Dogs and cats less than three months old from countries regarded to be at low risk for rabies may only be brought into Switzerland if they are accompanied by and still dependent on their mother or if an additional veterinary certificate can be provided showing that they have been kept at the place where they were born since birth and have never come into contact with wild animals which could have been exposed to an infection with rabies. Please note: In any case, dogs younger than 56 days can only be brought to Switzerland if they are accompanied by their mother."
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Re: EMERGENCY- Rabies vaccine

The OP could have legally imported the dog but from his opening post seemingly chose not to.

This is what I object to.

The OP chose to do something that has potentially fatal consequences for the innocent party in all this, his puppy. That is unconscionable in my book.

Plenty of dogs are brought in legally under the vac age, by following correct procedures.
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