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Titre testing instead of vaccines?

Is it common/available in CH to do titres for immunity versus getting vaccinations for distemper/parvovirus? (specifically for dogs)

Kennels of course require current vaccinations but I think where I'd like to go would be okay with titre testing if I can get that sorted.

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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

Why not just get the shot to be on the safe side?
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

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Why not just get the shot to be on the safe side?
Because they have had their vaccines previously and their previous titre tests have shown immunity.

And I have a 13 year old dog who I prefer not to vaccinate anymore.

(I am not a crazy anti-vaccination person...and absolutely will vaccinate my dogs (and kid!) but do not believe in "over vaccination" when unnecessary)
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

It may be a cost thing - it could actually be more expensive to do the Titre's than to just do the vaccination again, plus if it comes back negative then you're up for two shots...

oh, and taking the blood for the Titre may be more distressing for the dog than the actual vaccination...
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

Certainly the rabies titre test is done here, as that is still requried for travel to certain countries.

And according to Vetpharm, it looks like a Parvo titer test is available in Switzerland. http://www.vetpharm.uzh.ch/reloader....M?inhalt_c.htm

(Info from my friend Google, no personal experience with titer testing for Parvo. Parvo scares the hell out of me, been there, done that, thanks to an irresponsible breeder.)

Bottom line: speak to your vet.

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However whether a dog care facility or Hundeschule would accept the test in lieu of current valid vaccination is up to the owner of the facility.

Titer tests are generally not accepted by most countries' import regulations as a subsitute for current valid vac. In the case of medical contraindication to vaccination, though, some countries will allow the test, that decision generally takes an application to the relevant authority. Note that some EU countries that in years past have allowed this no longer do. Always go directly to the relevant authority and check current practices.

(I've looked into this, as Hooligan's (suspected) epilepsy contraindicates certain vacs, but came to the conclusion that European travel is not possible for us. Surprisingly, I can get her into New York (and thus the rest of the US) with a medical dispensation... except that she cannot fly, so we really are stuck in Switzerland.)

Each year I weigh up the current risks associated with the various diseases vs the risk of provoking a seizure and make a decision to vaccinate or not from there. For instance, I vac against Lepto as the prevalence where I live is very high and the mortality risk of the disease is high as well.

(All my healthy dogs are fully vaccinated according to the recommended schedule. When you have a compromised dog in the household, herd immunity becomes even more important.)

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When you speak to your vet, would you update us on his or her thoughts?
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And I have a 13 year old dog who I prefer not to vaccinate anymore.
It is generally recommended that most senior dogs with a record of previous vaccination according to schedule likely no longer need to be given certain vacs. What consititutes senior varies, a decision to be made between the vet and the owner, based on the individual dog's health and the current risk profile for each disease.
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When you speak to your vet, would you update us on his or her thoughts?
Going on Thursday....so will update afterwards.
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

I see where you are coming from. Back in Canada we did the titer and received the result “… is current regarding her vaccination status until …”

Last October I had a huge discussion with the vet who was not eager to go for the titer. It was not cheap (somewhere around CHF 200), the blood serum was sent to “Labor am Zugersee” in Hünenberg, so probably you will get more information over there. The result will say either “Positiv” (current) or “Negativ” (insufficient immunity).

I would allow dogs if the “Heimtierausweis” shows early and basic vaccination and the titer shows “Positiv”. Why early and basic vaccination?

The immune system of a newborn puppy is not developed completely. If the dam is current on her immunity, the puppy gets maternal antibodies, the biggest part by the intake of the first milk, so called colostrum, within the first 36 to 48 hours. Due to several circumstances not all puppies receive the same amount of this important milk and therefore of the maternal antibodies.

The older the puppy gets the more the maternal antibodies, thus immunity, decrease. Therefore it is important that the breeder takes care for the early vaccination (Parvovirus) at 6 weeks and the 1st of the basic vaccination (Distemper, Hepatitis, Parvovirus, Leptospirosis) at 8 weeks. The other three shots of the basic vaccination should be done at the age of 12 and 16 weeks, and at the age of 15 months. You may repeat Leptospirosis every year, Distemper, Hepatitis, Parvovirus 3 years later and after that go for the titer.

Aside from Leptospirosis, I do not support yearly shots for the core diseases. It was scientifically proven that, when applied as mentioned above, the vaccinations provide protection for a minimum of three years and, in some cases, protection is life-long.

If your dog never leaves Switzerland there is no need for a rabies shot. Otherwise you can do it as early as 16 weeks and use the one that is valid for 3 years.

Important is that the dog is healthy at the time of the vaccination. You should deworm your dog 7 to 10 days prior to the shots and do an internal cleaning the first three days after the shot, e. g. with the flower remedy “Crab Apple”. I also administer just one shot at a time, e. g. rabies first and two weeks later Leptospirosis.

The last titer I did on my old lady was at her age of 10, I did not vaccinate her anymore until she left us for good at the age of 14.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

Just an update after visiting the vet today.

Vet doesn't regularly do titre testing (for anything other than rabies) but would look into it for me if I wanted, and was not against it.

Younger dog received vaccinations (DHP and lepto and intranasal bordetella). Older dog only received bordetella....vet was fine with my choice to no longer vaccinate a 13.5 year old. Both have tick collars for the upcoming season (will likely put on next month).

So titre testing does seem to be a possibility...just not very common.
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Re: Titre testing instead of vaccines?

Finella, if you have any trouble with the kennel accepting the titre test, a letter from your vet should do the trick.

Hope it all works out for you.
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