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Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

I have a new dog, a Saluki (like a greyhound).

Just wondering if anyone knew of any dog agility centres in the area, and or Sighthound running tracks - I have heard there are some but don't know where they are) not racing - but somewhere to meet other owners and let your dogs run together in a safe environment.


I am on the French side near Basel

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I have a new dog, a Saluki (like a greyhound).

Just wondering if anyone knew of any dog agility centres in the area, and or Sighthound running tracks - I have heard there are some but don't know where they are) not racing - but somewhere to meet other owners and let your dogs run together in a safe environment.

What area are we talking about? Your location isn't of much help.
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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

Congrats on the new addition, Fidgety!

Salukis are wonderful dogs, and sighthounds are certainly something special.

A word about Agility:

Agility is not really about running fast. The sport is all about precision and control as the dog runs the course. Yes, in elite competition speed is key - but it's speed only after the work of building control and the precise mastery of each obstacle has been done.

Proper Agility training is done at a slow pace, working each individual obstacle carefully, until control is mastered.

Running a dog without proper training of each obstacle, with out having mastered control and precision, is how dogs are injured. And far too many are injured each year. Our physiotherapist is a former European Champion; he got into canine physiotherapy after seeing how dogs can be injured in the sport. His mantra is control, control, control - and common sense. Agility has to first and foremost be about having fun, safely.

An absolute with Agility - full height jumps and full-speed runs over the Passarelle, Wand, and Wipi are not to be undertaken until the dog is fully grown, due to possible damage to the joints and growing bones in younger dogs. Generally this is 12-18 months old, but should be discussed with a vet familiar with your breed's bone structure and development.

I'm emphasizing the 'go slow' aspect here because Sighthounds are naturally soooooo fast. Introducing the course to a breed that does not have the inate speed of a Sighthound is a tad easier - but care needs to be taken with a dog who is a 'speed junkie'.

So while Agility might indeed be a good sport for your dog (while not a traditional sighthound sport, many sighthounds do partake, especially for fun), while I firmly believe Agility is both lots of fun and a great training opportunity, especially 'brain training' ,for all dogs - the obstacle course is perhaps not the best way give your Saluki a good sprint.

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What you probably need is an enclosed space to run your dog safely.

Why not get in touch with one of the Swiss clubs dedicated to the Sighthounds (generally grouped into the Windhund breeds in German), perhaps they might have suggestions for training:

http://www.windhund-interessengemein...esidenten.html

http://www.club-orientalischer-windhunde.ch


ETA:

Pics of your new addition wouldn't go amiss...

Salukis are majestic creatures. Just lovely.

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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

Sorry, I guess Bottom of the Garden with fairies doesn't give my location haha.

I am on the French side by Basel. But happy for Basel, Alsace or in Germany.
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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

I'm also a new Saluki puppy owner! I wonder if we can get in touch (maybe outside this forum) to exchange some ideas. I have a loooong way to learn with this puppy; she is my first greyhound...I don't know how to dress her in this weather, how much to feed her...
We live in Lausanne area, it is a little far from you, but maybe we can meet one day so that the puppies can run together!!
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I have a loooong way to learn with this puppy; she is my first greyhound...I don't know how to dress her in this weather, how much to feed her...
Matchabubbletea, where did you get your puppy from?

If a reputable breeder or rescue, please contact them asap get your questions answered, it worries me that such a basic question as feeding has not already been addressed.

A good breeder or rescue will welcome questions from new owners, will happily provide support.

It is imperative that a growing puppy is fed correctly - especially a sight hound as bone development issues are known in the breeds.

If your puppy came from someone unable to offer the necessary support, please contact your vet immediately to get these questions answered.

FYI, if you have not already done it, you have 10 days to do the mandatory AMICUS registration. The animal portion of the database must be done by your vet so this is a good opportunity for an introductory vet visit, and a good chance to answer these questions.

(And if you have not already done it you should have already contacted the Gemeinde or Police (the process differs from place to place) to get your details entered in the database.)

Wishing you and your pup all the best.
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I'm also a new Saluki puppy owner! I wonder if we can get in touch (maybe outside this forum) to exchange some ideas. I have a loooong way to learn with this puppy; she is my first greyhound...I don't know how to dress her in this weather, how much to feed her...
We live in Lausanne area, it is a little far from you, but maybe we can meet one day so that the puppies can run together!!
Please do as MC suggests regarding feeding, this is basic information which any breeder will have given before letting the puppy leave for its new life. We had a complete booklet of care instructions with ours .

Even now though, you can start researching online your breed of dog, you should easily find some dedicated greyhound online groups that will be more than willing than to advise, answer queries and give that feeling of support we all need when first time owners.

One very important piece of advice I will pass on is that you should remember you puppy is still a baby and that exercise should be limited whilst she is growing. Our breeder told us that we should allow 1 minute per week of life twice a day, until fully grown, so that would be two twelve minute walks at the moment. As for agility, well you will have to wait a year or so before her bones would be strong enough for that.
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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

Thanks for your thorough answers! My Saluki came from a reputable place, no problems there. We were advised to free-feed our puppy, to leave the food and let her eat as needed, which seems to make sense; but as toilet training goes, it is a bit tricky if the puppy eats 'in bits'...
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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

Free feeding does not change the fundamentals of a house training regime, but IME it can slow it down. Because the dog is only eating small amounts at a time free feeding can lead to less clarity in teaching the pup the connection between eating and elimination. So you need to be more aware of your pup's actions.

When free feeding you do need to carefully track how much your pup eats. Feeding such a young puppy too much/too little can impact development. Be sure to measure what she has eaten- and it is helpful to keep track of her eating patterns, how much and at what times.

Regardless of how you feed, when house training your pup should be close by you at all times anyway, there shouldn't be any unsupervised 'roaming' time out of your sight/reach. So you will easily see when she eats and drinks - and take her out immediately afterwards.

Set a sensible schedule. With a puppy, in addition to taking her out after eating or drinking you will likely need to go out at quite short intervals. Determine the interval appropriate to your pup's age, take her out every X minutes, no fail, praise for performance and reward.




If you are struggling, call the breeder for advice. Ask for specifics of what the pup is used to, how the breeder structured the pup's routine. A good breeder will be available to support an owner of one of his or her pups at any stage of the dog's life.




(Not a fan of free feeding. especially for puppies, as IME it tends to devalue primary motivators you would use for training. But that's your choice, I assume you understand the concerns and have made an informed decision.)


These questions aside, though, I would strongly recommend you enroll in a Welpenspielstunde or Welpenförderung class as soon as possible. (That's the German - over to all y'all French speakers for the common term for a puppy development class on your side of the Rostigraben...) Your pup is at the perfect age for a socialization class, and you will receive valuable support from the trainer and other class members.

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Thanks for your thorough answers! My Saluki came from a reputable place, no problems there. We were advised to free-feed our puppy, to leave the food and let her eat as needed, which seems to make sense; but as toilet training goes, it is a bit tricky if the puppy eats 'in bits'...
Having just done a quick search I see that many Saluki owners "free feed" to help prevent "bloat" which I can understand. It would be very easy for this stature of dog to get a twisted stomach if it ate too much at any one time and then moved about too much.

My biggest problems with leaving food out to allow "free feeding" are that it makes it harder to determine when your dog is off there food and potentially unwell. You remove the magic of food time as MC suggests which can make it harder with training if trying to use food as a reward, and, for me, most importantly, in the summer when it is hot the food left out is also available for flys and other insects to do what ever they do when they land on it

In your position, if I had the time available, I would opt for feeding 3 or even 4 times a day. Small portions that together make the daily allowance, and afterwards a very short controlled "toilet" walk. Never take her in the car just after eating, I do know of an English Pointer that ended up with a twisted stomach after being put in the car 30 minutes after eating. It wasn't even a long journey. Thankfully she did survive to eat another day.

On that subject, try to introduce a command that you can use to encourage puppy to go when you are out. I am the mad woman that says "pee pee mäche", and generally get the response I am asking for. It takes a while but each time she squats to pee, say your command and then go over the top with praise when she has done it. If she has an accident in the house, ignore it, pick her up and wander outside, hopefully leaving someone else to clean up the mistake
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Re: Dog agility or Saluki / Greyhound running tracks

I do the opposite of free feeding, food only comes from me, I decided when and how much. But nonetheless the dogs do not get meals in a bowl, they eat throughout the day.

Every piece of kibble is a reward.

Each morning the dog's ration for the day is measured out and goes into my training treat bag. A pocket will do if you don't want to go for the 'doggie bag lady' look.

Then as we go about our day, frequent short training sessions, inside and out, as well as on our walks and during our play and quiet times together - because every single interaction with you is a training event - the dog is rewared with a piece of kibble every time he does what I ask.

This form of feeding works well for us as:

1. The dogs learn quickly that I am the source of good things. This builds that oh-so-important bond, and quickly.

2. The more they do as I ask, the more good things come their way. Paying attention to mum = good things happen. Light bulb moment!

3. A young pup has a lot o' learnin' to do. Rewarding the small steps towards the larger goal (in training speak, shaping) repeated the umpteen thousand times necessary for a puppy to cotton on to the concept, means lots of little rewards. A puppy would soon balloon into a beach ball if she got both meals and training rewards. So why not dispense with the bowl altogether and make all food a reward?

4. I know exactly how much as been eaten, I am in control of portions and timing. But as we eat small amounts throughout the day I have minimized the risk of gobbling that might lead to bloat*. Because I am in control of when my dog eats I time eating and exercise accordingly. (With free feeding you might miss that your pup has just eaten as he takes off for high speed Zoomies around the garden.)


This has worked well for mine over the years, balancing the amount of food given while keeping training motivation high via rewards.



* Be aware that there are other causes of bloat as well. Owners of deep chested dogs are most likely to be affected. But bloat can happen to any dog of any size or breed, all dog owners should be aware of the condition, symptoms, and prevention.


ETA:

There are many different ways to approach feeding, not really advocating one over another. (Other than feed nutritionally sound food, in appropriate amounts, keep your dog a healthy weight.) One should choose an approach that is right for the individual dog, but above all, as with every thing one does with one's dog, one should understand why one is doing what one is doing, understand the positives and negatives, and make informed choices.

Thus endeth the sermon.

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