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Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna area?

Hi everyone,

Just thought I would post about this, as heard lots of different rumours and seen things on various forums that all basically agree that if your dog has it's tail cropped, you can not import it.

While this is strictly true, I found my dog on the streets in Cyprus where I lived previously, and then moved here with my girlfriend (she's a local), and we were told that even though my dog had had her tail cut off when I found her, it was illegal here to own a dog with a cropped tail, and so I couldn't bring her.

This caused my girlfriend to firstly lose her mind, but then very quickly go to plan b - fix it mode !!

We went through every forum and website we could find, and the same thing was said by everyone. We then spoke to the local vets, and they said that we could not bring her either, so on the verge of cancelling our plans and possibly separating, we decided to speak to a local dog charity group in Cyprus who specialise in finding dogs 'forever homes' all over the world.

The answer was actually quite simple - we had to get a note from my vet in Cyprus stating the circumstances of me finding her, followed by a note from the government vet in Cyprus (saying the same). Then we had to declare her at the border so that the border control could stamp her passport. We then took her to the local vets and registered her here. We had already had her EU passport sorted and she had had all the injections and everything, but the vet gave us one other which apparently is for Swiss rules,.... and VOILA - she was granted a pet passport for Switzerland !! We have to take her to the gov vets aswell, for another paper signing, but the local vet said the tail isn't a problem because of the vets notes I had and the situation.

So don't know if this helps anyone that might be bringing in a dog or anything, but if you need any extra advice - please feel free to ask, and I can also put you in touch with some friends who specialise in it.

Lastly - any good recommendations for vets in the Balerna area, heard there was one to avoid, but don't know which one it is !?

Thanks
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Old 27.09.2016, 16:21
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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

I'm glad to hear that you were able to bring your dog in with you.


Just to clarify - were you and your girlfriend already legally resident in Switzerland before you imported your docked dog, or did you import your dog along with you when you first moved here?
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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

He said he was not resident here when he got the dog. And frankly shouldn't have been given the run around. From the BLV website FAQ PDF:

1) Is it actually still possible to bring cropped or docked dogs into Switzerland?

It is forbidden to import dogs that have been docked. Docked dogs are therefore turned back at the border. Owners resident abroad, however, may bring their docked dogs into Switzerland for holidays or other short stays. Also anyone who moves to Switzerland from abroad may bring their docked dogs with them. It is absolutely essential that you ask the customs office in good time before you move whether the criteria are met in your case, so that your dog is considered part of your so-called household effects (http://www.ezv.admin.ch). The dog must not be advertised, sold or given away in Switzerland.

2) Am I allowed to bring docked dogs from animal homes abroad or docked stray animals from abroad into Switzerland to give them a new home?

No. The import ban applies to all dogs, regardless of your motivation for helping the animal.

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...frettchen.html

Most likely the problem was caused by not contacting Customs.
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He said he was not resident here when he got the dog. And frankly shouldn't have been given the run around. From the BLV website FAQ PDF:

1) Is it actually still possible to bring cropped or docked dogs into Switzerland?

It is forbidden to import dogs that have been docked. Docked dogs are therefore turned back at the border. Owners resident abroad, however, may bring their docked dogs into Switzerland for holidays or other short stays. Also anyone who moves to Switzerland from abroad may bring their docked dogs with them. It is absolutely essential that you ask the customs office in good time before you move whether the criteria are met in your case, so that your dog is considered part of your so-called household effects (http://www.ezv.admin.ch). The dog must not be advertised, sold or given away in Switzerland.

2) Am I allowed to bring docked dogs from animal homes abroad or docked stray animals from abroad into Switzerland to give them a new home?

No. The import ban applies to all dogs, regardless of your motivation for helping the animal.

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...frettchen.html

Most likely the problem was caused by not contacting Customs.
See that is the thing, everyone that I was told to contact, I DID contact and as you have quoted above - it apparently is just a clear cut NO to bringing dogs in with cropped tails. HOWEVER, that's just the thing, if you are not responsible for having had the tail cropped, and it was either 'pre-cropped' (like in a rescue case), or the animal had to have it done for medical reasons, then as long as you have the necessary vet notes and do everything in the right order, it can be done.

And answering the importing of rescue dogs for adoption point, it is the same - the guys I spoke to in Cyprus, have done it numerous times and never had any issues - I should have just spoken to them first !!

I believe it is to stop the 'cut tail fighter dog' scenario

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I'm glad to hear that you were able to bring your dog in with you.


Just to clarify - were you and your girlfriend already legally resident in Switzerland before you imported your docked dog, or did you import your dog along with you when you first moved here?
Thanks, was a mess at first, but all worked out in the end.

She is Swiss, and I'm English, but was living in Cyprus for a few years. The dog came with me - which of course meant that flight wasn't stressful whatsoever !!

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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

It is to stop un-necessary suffering via un-necessary surgery, for the wrong reasons, scenario.

Our dachsie Slinky who is sadly no longer with us, had his tail docked in the UK after he broke it twice in the middle and it wouldn't heal. The vet in the UK decided it was best to dock it. Slinky then went to live in Spain for a few years, then back here for his later years. We had a letter from the vet in the UK explaining the situation, and there was no problem.
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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

Glad the story had a happy ending, I just hope other dog owners and members of the public don't take it upon themselves to lecture you every time you go for walkies.
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It is to stop un-necessary suffering via un-necessary surgery, for the wrong reasons, scenario.

Our dachsie Slinky who is sadly no longer with us, had his tail docked in the UK after he broke it twice in the middle and it wouldn't heal. The vet in the UK decided it was best to dock it. Slinky then went to live in Spain for a few years, then back here for his later years. We had a letter from the vet in the UK explaining the situation, and there was no problem.
Sorry to hear about your dog, and this is exactly my point - from going through the official paperwork and reading through all the official documents and speaking to the 'official' people, it was just an all round no - but it really doesn't have to be that hard, with just a vets note -

I've had a lot of people question me about it since they've seen her, and hence my initial post
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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

I, too, am surprised at the information you were given, as it has always been possible, in fact quite easy, to import a docked/cropped dog into Switzerland provided you are not already resident in Switzerland and that you import the dog with you at the same time you first move to Switzerland.

The links Medea has given lay it all out, the BLV customs forms are there. Several EFers have brought their docked long term family pet with them without hassles. Afterall, a law designed to promote animal welfare shouldn't end up forcing a family to get rid of their pet, hence this exception to the law.

So if you were not already resident in Switzerland then it is truly odd that you were given the run-around. Odd, but not unbelievable as we have seen over and over and over again that some officials in charge of administering dog law often do not enforce it, enforce it selectively, or just make things up as they go along.

What is not allowed under the letter of the law, however, is importation of a docked or cropped dog if one is already resident in Switzerland. The ban applies even in adopting a welfare case from abroad, even if the animal has already been docked years before you came across him. Do make sure you understand this point - it's not that you had nothing to do with the docking, but rather that you were not yet resident in Switzerland that allowed you under the letter of the law to import the dog.

The rationale for this is to prevent Swiss residents from circumventing the law by buying or adopting abroad.

The rescue I volunteer with has come across this ban several times - even in egregious cases of abuse, cases where the amputation was done due to medical necessity, cases involving dogs of breeds not traditionally docked so there is no doubt of intent. Despite lobbying from the rescue, prospective adopters already resident in Switzerland were not allowed to import the dog.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me one whit if a customs person decided to allow a dog in, despite regulations, for any reason. Again as above, one can never count on a regulation being applied consistently - much boils down to the individual making the decision.
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As in all things, know what the law says, keep asking questions if you think the person charged with decision making is might not fully understand the situation.

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I'm glad you were able to bring your dog with you - and do make sure that you keep the exception paperwork in his passport as you cross borders while you are here.
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See that is the thing, everyone that I was told to contact, I DID contact and as you have quoted above - it apparently is just a clear cut NO to bringing dogs in with cropped tails. HOWEVER, that's just the thing, if you are not responsible for having had the tail cropped, and it was either 'pre-cropped' (like in a rescue case), or the animal had to have it done for medical reasons, then as long as you have the necessary vet notes and do everything in the right order, it can be done.

And answering the importing of rescue dogs for adoption point, it is the same - the guys I spoke to in Cyprus, have done it numerous times and never had any issues - I should have just spoken to them first !!

I believe it is to stop the 'cut tail fighter dog' scenario
No, it's a clear yes if you are moving to Switzerland. However you do need to contact Customs well in advance to make sure your particular circumstances allow the importation. Is that what you did?

As for the rescue question that's more for people hoping to bring them in to rehome here which isn't allowed. Only if the dog is your personal property which you got from a rescue abroad. Importing to sale or give to other people is not allowed.

Good for keeping looking for an aswer though and glad you got there in the end. That's what counts.
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Re: Dogs with their tails cropped.... and also any vet recommendations in Balerna are

Thank goodness you are here and how lovely of you to adopt a dog, they are a lifelong joy. Unfortunatly for some reason dogs without a tail seem to be frowned upon with some folks ( not just in CH everywhere ) I had it recently with my french bulldog an old lady saying get your 'fighting' dog away from my her fluffy poodle thing, my dog was born without a tail though
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