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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Random fact of the day:

I was in my 30's before I realised not everybody gets to win a goldfish on hook-a-duck. I thought you just hooked a duck and chose the prize you wanted. I used to wonder why everybody but me (and in later years, my sister) seemed to choose cheap tat instead of a goldfish.

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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

If you accidentally overfeed them, you will see LOTS of PooPoo (excrement)
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Random fact of the day:

I was in my 30's before I realised not everybody gets to win a goldfish on hook-a-duck. I thought you just hooked a duck and chose the prize you wanted. I used to wonder why everybody but me (and in later years, my sister) seemed to choose cheap tat instead of a goldfish.

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I can only imagine the difficulties this posed to your grasping politics or economics.
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My cat, he's had intimate relations with several now.....
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

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So of the 4 fish, 2 died very quickly, we had 2 big and 2 small, the small ones popped it.. The 2 bigger fish have been fine, they are much more interactive than i thought, active and respond when I approach the tank etc..

One of them appears to play dead quite often though which i find pretty bizarre, it's like it's actually playing.. It swims around like normal .. then goes upside-down like it's dead.. Then drifts into the circular current made by the pump and goes in circles, upside-down, like it's dead, it can drift in the current for ages.. Then when i go over to the tank it's rights itself and swims around normal again.. It's been doing this for some time.

Normal ? I have a talented fish ? It's gonna die soon ?
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So of the 4 fish, 2 died very quickly, we had 2 big and 2 small, the small ones popped it.. The 2 bigger fish have been fine, they are much more interactive than i thought, active and respond when I approach the tank etc..

One of them appears to play dead quite often though which i find pretty bizarre, it's like it's actually playing.. It swims around like normal .. then goes upside-down like it's dead.. Then drifts into the circular current made by the pump and goes in circles, upside-down, like it's dead, it can drift in the current for ages.. Then when i go over to the tank it's rights itself and swims around normal again.. It's been doing this for some time.

Normal ? I have a talented fish ? It's gonna die soon ?
My fish definitely knew when there was someone in the room first thing on the morning, movement basically meant food.

Talented fish is possibly sick; problems with the internal swim-bladder can cause the infected fish to float upside-down for short periods.... ask in the pet shop as there are drops you put in the water to try and combat the infection.

Of course, it might just be showing off!
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Our goldfish commited suicide when I was young. They jumped out of the tank at night (straight into my dad's briefcase, which was appreciated by his nurses and patients at work the next day, he had no idea that it happened). We, kids, were grieving for ever.

Hope your remaining goldfish are good sports and survive!
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Slammer had an aquarium for quite a while, the pet shop recommended to add a litre of mineral water to the tap water, something to do with the water in the area...
So I added a litre of mineral water, sparkling mineral water, I have never seen fish so lively.
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Sorry to hear 2 of your fish died. I would say the reason was too many fish. Goldfish are about the dirtiest fish for polluting their tank. I managed to keep a couple of goldfish alive for a few years. This would be my advice:

Donít put more fish in, 2 is more than enough for the volume you have.


Watch their behavior. If they are gaping at the surface of the water itís a sign that there is not enough oxygen in the water.


Are your plants natural or plastic? If plastic switch them out for real ones. Real plants produce oxygen. However buy quick growing ones as the goldfish will probably nibble on them so they need to be able to outgrow this.


Donít give them more food than they eat. Itís tempting just to throw a load of food on top but what is not eaten will fall to the bottom of the tank and decompose creating more pollution.


Switch out 1/3 of the water every 5 days or weekly. Tap water can shock them due to temperature difference. It will also contain chemicals that are not good for the fish. If you have time and space a good idea to have a second bucket. Take the water from the tap 24 hours before which allows most of the chemicals to dissipate and the water will adjust to room temperature.


A lot of the poop and uneaten food falls into the gravel. If you donít have one get a gravel cleaner and use it when you do the water switch.

Hope this is helpful.
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Yes .. A pinch is what i guessed.. And that is ok for all 4 of them, to share, not one pinch each

Last goldfish i had came from a fair ground, back in the early 80's probably! But the kids were amused for 5 minutes.
One pinch per day is enough and they will share it. There is always algae growing in the tank and the fish can munch on all kinds of things floating in the water. If you feed too much, the uneaten flakes will rot and cause the ammonia level to go up which is bad for the fish, so overfeeding them is a very bad idea.

Assuming that you cycled the water correctly and didn't just plop them straight into tap water?
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Old 13.03.2017, 21:06
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Sorry to hear 2 of your fish died. I would say the reason was too many fish. Goldfish are about the dirtiest fish for polluting their tank. I managed to keep a couple of goldfish alive for a few years. This would be my advice:

Donít put more fish in, 2 is more than enough for the volume you have.


Watch their behavior. If they are gaping at the surface of the water itís a sign that there is not enough oxygen in the water.


Are your plants natural or plastic? If plastic switch them out for real ones. Real plants produce oxygen. However buy quick growing ones as the goldfish will probably nibble on them so they need to be able to outgrow this.


Donít give them more food than they eat. Itís tempting just to throw a load of food on top but what is not eaten will fall to the bottom of the tank and decompose creating more pollution.


Switch out 1/3 of the water every 5 days or weekly. Tap water can shock them due to temperature difference. It will also contain chemicals that are not good for the fish. If you have time and space a good idea to have a second bucket. Take the water from the tap 24 hours before which allows most of the chemicals to dissipate and the water will adjust to room temperature.


A lot of the poop and uneaten food falls into the gravel. If you donít have one get a gravel cleaner and use it when you do the water switch.

Hope this is helpful.
This is definitely good advice. I have 2 tanks with about 40-50 fish and shrimp and they can be quite demanding! Changing the water (about 15-20% of the tank) every weekend is very important. PH of the water that you add in should be 7 - i.e. probably just tap water is OK but you MUST treat it with something to take out the chemicals. You can always buy water from the pet store which is called "reverse osmosis" water and its basically been filtered and treated very well. Any questions, feel free to ask happy to help
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Old 13.03.2017, 21:29
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Thanks for all the tips people.. I'm no expert for sure, but since nobody else in the house even looks in the direction of the fish, i'm sorta left to it!

How did I clean them out..
I took maybe 3-5l of the existing water along with the fish into a bucket.. I measured the water temp before i started.
I completely gutted the tank, gravel, plastic plants, filter, charcoal, light, glass, everything cleaned.
I refilled with normal tap water to the same temp as before, put back the gravel and plastic plants etc.. Plopped the fish back in minus the dirty water.

What happened..
Everything fine for 30 mins then both fish "died" for a few hours.. Like totally floated upside down, i was close to throwing them in the toilet.. But next morning they were more lively than I've ever seen.. Totally responsive, fast, all over the tank.. But a few times after that i saw one floating upside down in the pump current.. Haven't seen than recently, they've been totally fine.. And yes they get fed one pinch per day.

Anyways .. I was AMAZED recently at just how resilient goldfish are .. We visited people and in the kitchen there was a fish tank about the size of a shoe box, with only about 6cm of water and one fish inside. There was no pump, light or filter, just some gravel.. The tank and gravel were so thick with green slime you could hardly see the solitary fish. Apparently it had been like that for a year due to a dispute over who should clean it!?!?!? Most of the water evaporated!
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Re: Who knows about goldfish ?

Here's what they look like .. Pretty standard goldfish i guess..

When i'm not near the tank, they swim around or loiter around the centre.. So I guess not searching for oxygen.. When i go near the tank they tend to head for surface and "eat" the bubbles.. Expecting food i guess. The pump seems to circulate little bubbles around the water so hopefully oxygenating the water.
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Here's what they look like .. Pretty standard goldfish i guess..

When i'm not near the tank, they swim around or loiter around the centre.. So I guess not searching for oxygen.. When i go near the tank they tend to head for surface and "eat" the bubbles.. Expecting food i guess. The pump seems to circulate little bubbles around the water so hopefully oxygenating the water.
Most aquariums I've seen sport many more plants than you seem to have - compared to what's visible from yours in the picture the others are jungles. Plants provide hideouts for smaller fish running from the bigger ones (lack thereof is one possible reason your smaller two died), improve water quality, produce oxygen and serve as food source. They usually help reduce algae growth.

Since the plants grow towards the light source the lamp (which may be recommended to be a special one so it produces light in the right spectrum) is usually be placed on top of the aquarium.

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I refilled with normal tap water to the same temp as before, put back the gravel and plastic plants etc.. Plopped the fish back in minus the dirty water.
Tap water is not good due to the sterilisation chemicals used, so everyone on fish forums says.

On the other hand, where else do you get X litres of clean water...

Best advice seems to be to leave tap water for a few days before using it m(i.e. in a bucket), probably agitate it a bit as well, then any volatile additives should be gone.

Our fish are in a pond, so we don't feed them or clean the water or anything, but they do occassionally do strange things like floating on the surface (although not upside down!), jumping, generally doing nothing or going bananas.

Also the most important advice seems to be don't feed them too much. Goldfish need very little food to survive, they just don't grow, but over-feeding will kill them.
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Tap water is not good due to the sterilisation chemicals used, so everyone on fish forums says.
Where in Switzerland is tap water sterilized using chemicals? This is not the USA.
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Where in Switzerland is tap water sterilized using chemicals? This is not the USA.
Any water taken from Zurisee for use in the Oberland - for example:

http://www.gwv.gwrueti.ch/Technisches.106.0.html

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edit: possibly the "sterilised" bit was poorly worded as most water is good enough from source; but the sterilisation chemicals are added to stop it going off in the pipes or the storage reservoirs, which is actually worse (for fish) since it's designed to stay in the water, albeit at very low levels.
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That's called disinfection, not sterilization.

Besides that, I can understand that forums warn against tap water e.g. in the USA, where city water with chlorine concentrations of up to 4 ppm can stink like a 1950s indoor pool. However, the concentration mentioned in the pages you linked to is .1 ppm, and that's the concentration applied at the facility, not the one that actually reaches your tap.
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