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Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Hello, sorry for such an emotional post in advance. Our dog today had escaped from the apartment, my husband run to catch him but seems he missed the direction. I was sitting at home with our two kids (2y.o. and one is a just A one week newborn baby) when I have heard him barking around. Ran as hell and saw three angry locals which started to treat me very badly immediately despite my numerous excuses (since our very unpolite dog was jumping to all pedestrians in the zone for these 15 min and scared people as he is English bulldog and pretty massive). I wanted to run back home immediately with my dog leaving them my home address since they called the police already and I explained them the reason (two kids left unattended). Instead one of them even made remarks that such a non-responsible dog owner like me should not even have a kids (!) and they didn't allow me to take the dog, as I should wait here with them the police. I was needed to leave the dog unleashed for my own risk with that people and came back to the flat to take the phone to call my husband back and my wallet with all docs. When I came back the policemen had been already arrived and my dog Ringo was happily jumping to their legs as well. At that point I presented all my documents and asked them to come up to my flat where we talked shortly about the situation. At the end they said that it is all fine and docs are ok. So, my question is-what to expect next? Fire? Or may be nothing indeed? Thanks for reading )
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Oh dear.

I don't know but keep those door closed, next time before you know it you might have three tots roaming around, too.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

I normally avoid the dog threads because... well, because...

But sod the neighbours - if you have babies in the house, don't you think it might be worth investing in some proper dog training?
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a 5 page post from a certain forum legend.

probably no further action either. in the end, nothing happened.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Not quite five pages...

Ask the police for a copy of their report.

You need this not only to understand what might come next, but also to prevent the story changing at a later date.

Various possibilities included a fine, or you might be ordered to attend training classes, or you might be ordered to stand a Wesenstest - or absolutely nothing further at all might happen.

A fine would be issued by the police, under public security grounds. Most other measures would come from the cantonal Veterinäramt after an investigation.

The worst possibility, that your dog would be seized, is highly unlikely. If they were going to go that route they likely would have taken the dog with them.

Just to be clear - the police did understand your dog's breed, there was no confusion with the List 2 dogs? And was there any claim of contact other than jumping up? This last is very important.

Have you done the List 1 (Large dog, mandatory in canton ZH) courses? If so, get in touch with your trainer for advice and support. He or she could write a letter of support attesting to your being a responsible owner as well as your dog's level of training reached, good character, etc. Even if not needed this is a good thing to have.

(And if you fall into the List 1 requirements but haven't done the courses, do so asap.)

Did your dog do any damage? Even if just paw prints on people's clothes? Be prepared to pay for any cleaning or replacement. Call your insurer to discuss what steps you should take, that is why you have liability coverage (as is mandatory in cantonb ZH).

So wrt to legal consequences - you really need to wait to see if things will go further.

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You need to make sure this does not happen again. Seriously. In the first instance get thee to a Hundeschule.

It will also go a long way towards mitigating measures taken if you can show that you have taken steps to resolve the issues that led to this happening. So think what you can do - how you can 'escape proof' your flat, etc.

For instance, we have baby gates that close automatically, blocking off all rooms that have outside access. When an outside door is opened the baby gate is closed so the dogs can not rush out 'accidentally'. Anyone ringing the bell must wait until I have finished 'mutt proofing' before I open the door. Punkt fertig.

Additionally, when preparing for a walk, the dogs are first put into their harnesses and leads, then into a sit or down, and only when I have firm grasp of their leads do I open the door. Again, minimizing the possibility of an accident.

So go through the steps that led to your dog escaping, and think of changes you could make, to your set-up or your routine, to address what went wrong.

As above, if you are not currently in a training class, please consider joining one asap. This is not only to work on your dog's behavior (the jumping up must stop) but also a protection for the both of you. Authorities and people you come into contact with tend to take a more lenient stance when it is known that you are actively in training.

Wishing you and your dog all the best.

Please do come back and update this thread if further measures are taken - that would be information beneficial to other EF dog owners.



ETA:

Here is the Tierschutzstraffalle database from Tier Im Recht, which catalogs some cases in past years. The descriptions of the infraction are very brief but nonetheless might give you a little insight, as would the resolution/fines issued.

http://www.tierimrecht.org/en/animal...k_0=undefined#

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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

I know I should train him. The problem that I don't have time for him as I am 100% working mum and the regular course which we took was just not enough. I know it is a bad excuse anyway. But he is such an angel at home with all of us and he never harmed anyone not inside not outside despite these jumps, he is not aggressive at all. He escaped already once during our vacation in Italy. The warm and friendly reaction of two local strangers who kept him before we arrived for around 10 min was so different from what we had today ((
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Do try to find time for another course! He may be friendly and "only jump" but some people are seriously afraid of dogs, jumping dogs, and that may lead to other issues.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Mumintroll, most trainers will offer courses in the evening or on weekends, and many also do private 1-1 lessons. You should be able to find training help convenient to your schedule.

Do you speak German, or do you need classes in English?

I cannot stress enough how helpful it is to attend training classes regularly.


(Some trainers might even allow the children to come along, depending on their ages, on how 'dog savvy' they are, and on whether the other class participants agree. And certainly if you go for 1-1 sessions, include the children. As you address training issues I find it best to mimic the normal family routine as close as possible, as that is what you deal with day to day.)


Again, all the best as you address this.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

MC has given, as usual, excellent advice.


I am curious, how old is the dog and how long have you had him? If you work 100%, who looks after the dog when you are at work?


I have found, more than once, lost dogs who "escaped". None of the dogs had any tags with the owner's name or details so I was forced to go through official channels.


In all cases, the dogs were super friendly - one jumped into the back of my van parked in front of the house as I opened the back door.


A dog that is running loose is a danger to everyone and itself. Sadly many dogs who escape are never found. You are fortunate that your dog was unharmed and it appears no one else sustained any injuries. A dog jumping can knock someone over. As you have children, I think this jumping needs to be addressed before it gets totally out of hand.


I know a family with a young child who went to a friend's house so their children could play together. The friend's family they were visiting had a dog. For reasons which are still not clear, the dog jumped and knocked the visiting young child to the ground and he sustained serious injuries.


Consider yourself lucky the police were not contacted the first time your dog escaped. I am not certain a second incident would be treated in the same fashion if there was a police report for the first.
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You need to make sure this does not happen again. Seriously. In the first instance get thee to a Hundeschule.
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I know I should train him. The problem that I don't have time for him
There is a risk, without training, that he could do something if he escapes again that results in him being destroyed. Ergo, it's in his best interests, if you can't train him, if you can't look after him as he should be, to find him a new home with someone who has the resources to look after him properly. Don't be selfish.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Hopefully the dog wasn't trying to hump the cop's legs..

+1 on the training. A while back I trained the old family dog (a lab) to go and fetch the newspaper from the end of the driveway each morning. He'd do his business, grab the paper, and then come back for a dog biscuit. Smart little bugger - he learned that if he acted like he hadn't been out yet to another family member, he'd be let back out and could grab one of the neighbors' papers and bring it back for an additional biscuit. He once got 3 biscuits in a morning before we caught on.

His predecessor, a retriever, loved to steal the shoes out of our asian neighbors' garages, then bury them. The neighbor on the other side once accused her of eating his prized pet duck.

Ah, dogs and neighbors...
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Oh, thank you all so much for such a detailed answer, especially the one around 5 pages ) That's a lot of information indeed which I still need to digest.

I will keep you updated if any (bad) news will arrive. I know that this dog should have been actively trained. I just could not expect that this dog needs so much lessons (and that the trainings here cost so much as well). I had the dog before for 15 years and never issued such problems with her, so all what we have right now with Ringo is quite new for me.

Answering to the questions-he is 2.4 y.o., castrated, we bought him when he was 4 m.o. and he did these jumps already from the first. He never obeys the rules if he sees other dogs around, he just stops to hear us seems, only leash helps us to control. Instead at home he never makes pee and does not make the mess in the house, so he is pretty intelligent same time. I am also secure to leave him with our oldest one, since they are having same age and were growing together. No jumps to the kid had been never occurred. But yes, I need to go ahead and start another training surely. Thanks again a lot for so many answers and the attention to this thread.
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he did these jumps already from the first. He never obeys the rules if he sees other dogs around, he just stops to hear us seems, only leash helps us to control.
Which is exactly why you need to do that training! If you cannot control him, he will do whatever he wants.
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I know I should train him. The problem that I don't have time for him as I am 100% working mum and the regular course which we took was just not enough. I know it is a bad excuse anyway. But he is such an angel at home with all of us and he never harmed anyone not inside not outside despite these jumps, he is not aggressive at all. He escaped already once during our vacation in Italy. The warm and friendly reaction of two local strangers who kept him before we arrived for around 10 min was so different from what we had today ((
So you don't have time for the dog and this is the second time it has happened... next time he might end up being put down, how is that fair to the dog?

Please act responsible and find the dog a new home before something really bad happens.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Sounds like you're not really fit to own a dog if you can't be arsed to train it.

The dog will end up carrying the can for your lack of responsibility.

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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Mumintroll, I will be offline for the next few days/week, but once I am back I'll post here or PM you with some training ideas.

In the mean time, perhaps you could get hold of EF member CherryTree - she is a professional dog trainer, she speaks English, and although I have not met her personally I do like the things she posts.

You can contact here via the link in this thread:

http://www.englishforum.ch/pet-tradi...s-english.html
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I know I should train him. The problem that I don't have time for him as I am 100% working mum and the regular course which we took was just not enough.
Meaning something must change, you know that already.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Here's a post from someone who is afraid of dogs. If a strange dog were to run up and jump on me, I'd die of fright. And then I'd scream at you and call you out on your lack of responsibility in handling the dog.

I don't care if your dog "is harmless." I don't care if it was an accident. All I know is that I've been frightened to death by a dog owner who cannot handle their dog appropriately.

You have a lot on your shoulders right now with two babies and work. I feel for you. Really. But that dog needs training too or you may have problems within the household as well.
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Re: Our dog escaped for 15 min and jumped to the legs of everybody-what's next?

Unlike OG I am not afraid of dogs, but am wary of them.

Can we make a sticky of this thread and title it "example of irresponsible dog ownership".

Too busy working and raising kids to train their dog. Why the f... have you got one?

What makes it worse is that you know it!
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I am also secure to leave him with our oldest one, since they are having same age and were growing together. No jumps to the kid had been never occurred.
Having nothing to add on the need for training thread, I just need to say that this sentence lights up big warning lights for me. However much you trust your dog and however well behaved he has been around your son in the past you should never leave them in a room unattended, this is when awful incidents happen and a child could be easily killed. Sorry to be so blunt but it does happen.
With the dynamics in your household having recently changed, and the baby understandibly taking up a lot of your time, time that previously was given to your son and the dog, you might find that both of their behaviours might change. Conflict for attention might arise and generally the stronger character will win. I hope not, I hope it remains calm and that they remain the best of friends but for the time being I would be very watchful.
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