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Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

Hi all.
New to the forum, have been reading for a while and can see its a wealth of knowledge and shared experience so decided to post to see if I can get some pointers to help a potential move for me, the wife and boxer dog.

We both have offers of Swiss employment and no doubt look to settle in Zug. My questions are...

1. Can anyone recommend a trusted dog walker that covers Zug, if not a company / person then a link to a site advertising such things?
2. I believe from what I have read on here that the registration process (UK boxer) is fairly simplistic. What I can't find is details on vet insurance and ideally English speaking vets (as neither of us speak German but plan to address this in time)).
3. If anyone from the UK can share any advice of their dog move to ZH / Zug that would also be greatly appreciated.

Like to give thanks in advance to any advice shared.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

There are several sticky threads in this section of the forum which will help you.

Also see this thread on the recent change to requirements when you own a dog here.

Important Info for Dog Owners: Change to Obligatory Registration Procedures

Vet insurance is available, but you could also just stick a montly amount aside in a separate bank/post office account and use that if needed.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

Is your gorgeous boxer docked? If so, you might run into additional hurdles. Meloncollie will be along shortly with her expert words, I'm sure.

In the meantime, congrats on your jobs and welcome to EF.
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Thanks again Medea will take a look.

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Is your gorgeous boxer docked? If so, you might run into additional hurdles. Meloncollie will be along shortly with her expert words, I'm sure.

In the meantime, congrats on your jobs and welcome to EF.
Thanks for the welcome. Yes he is docked, unsure why that might be an issue?

Look forward to,hearing from Meloncollie

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Thanks for the welcome. Yes he is docked, unsure why that might be an issue?

Look forward to,hearing from Meloncollie
Importing docked dogs is not allowed in Switzerland (apart from holidays/short stays), see here.
Well, actually you should be okay but I guess you'll have to do some extra paper-work.
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Thanks for the welcome. Yes he is docked, unsure why that might be an issue?

Look forward to,hearing from Meloncollie
Because the practice isn't allowed here. See the Q&A link at the bottom of the page here

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...html#518125083

regarding dogs with docked tails and cropped ears.

Don't panic, you will be able to bring him, but make sure you get all the paperwork sorted out in good time.
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Importing docked dogs is not allowed in Switzerland (apart from holidays/short stays), see here.
Well, actually you should be okay but I guess you'll have to do some extra paper-work.
Yes looks like I'm ok...

'People who relocate to Switzerland may also import their docked dogs. However, this is possible only if the conditions for the duty-free importation of household effects are fulfilled'
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Look forward to,hearing from Meloncollie
It's a issue because docking (and I think this includes ear stapling) has been illegal in England since 2006.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/our-.../tail-docking/
Unless you have an elderly dog or the paperwork to show that the process was done for medical reasons you'll have problems importing your boxer.
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It's a issue because docking (and I think this includes ear stapling) has been illegal in England since 2006.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/our-.../tail-docking/
Unless you have an elderly dog or the paperwork to show that the process was done for medical reasons you'll have problems importing your boxer.
Thanks Anjela but as per above looks like we will be ok re the docked tail.
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Thanks Anjela but as per above looks like we will be ok re the docked tail.
Contact Swiss Customs asap and make sure your dog meets the criteria.

http://www.afd.admin.ch/publicdb/new...ex.php?lang=en

Last thing you want is to rock up at the border and be turned back because the documentation isn't correct.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

You will be able to import your dog under the long time family pet exception.

Docking is indeed illegal in Switzerland, and rightly so. It is banned as an animal welfare issue, as the practice is considered abusive.

However, Switzerland is not unreasonable, in putting the ban in place it was recognized that a measure to promote animal welfare should not do the opposite, forcing an animal to lose it's home when the family moves to Switzerland. Thus the exception.

You will need to complete the necessary paperwork, and a very important point: The dog must move with you, at the same time you import the rest of the household. Moving first then sending for the dog later could jeopardize your exception.

Be aware that you could be questioned when crossing borders as you come and go later, so it's a good idea to keep a copy of the exception paperwork in your dog's pet passport.

Now that said - while Switzerland has admirably enlightened animal protection leglislation on it's books, it's enforcement of it's animal welfare laws is... shall we say... inconsistent. You may find that having done everything correctly it might be that no one is even interested in looking at your paperwork. Or you may find that your documents are examined carefully. Roll of the dice. Yes, you will find people here with stories of flaunting the law without consequences - but please do not do as they claim to have done. If you don't have the correct paperwork and happen to be the folks chosen for a random search, your dog could be the one to suffer. So follow the rules, for your dog's sake.

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The exception you will be granted applies only to this one dog, this one move. Once you are resident in Switzerland an exception is not possible. This is to prevent Swiss residents from trying to get around the ban by buying or adopting abroad. Any future four footed friend you add to the family while you are resident here, wherever the dog comes from, must have full natural tail and ears.

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Do be aware that it is unusual to see a docked dog given that the ban has been in place for many years. Be prepared for comments, as many people do indeed feel strongly about docking and cropping as an abusive practice.

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If you have questions on the how to go about getting the exception, contact the Veterinäramt.
https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...hukafr-eu.html


Wishing you and your dog all the best as you begin your Swiss adventure.
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Thanks Anjela but as per above looks like we will be ok re the docked tail.
Have you read the link Medea gives?
To me it would seem that importing a docked dog could be tricky to say the least; especially as docking, et al has been illegal in England for the past ten years.

I'm not judging... I've owned two dogs in my long life and both have been boxers (wonderful dogs, and great with children re. your other thread), but they were pre current legislation and I don't want you to have problems because the paperwork hasn't been prepared properly. The Swiss are great ones for paperwork, be warned!
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

As to your other questions:

In the ZG area you will find several good vets. I can highly recommend My Vets in Cham:
https://www.myvets.ch

Dr Alexander Gerold (internal medicine) and Dr Yuri Béosier (surgery and orthopedics) have taken care of my mutts for many years, through many serious illnesses and complicated diagnoses. They, and their partners and team, are kind, caring, and highly skilled. Happy to consult in English, very parient-focused.

I'm sure others will be along with recommendations as well.

Whoever you chose for your primary vet, you should also get to know the Ennetsee Klinik in Hünenberg:
http://www.ennetseeklinik.ch/site/index.cfm

In addition to being a full service and specialist practice, Ennetsee is the area's 24/7 emergency clinic, where you will likely need to go for any after hours emergency or illness requiring hospitalization.


Another resource that I am so thankful we have in the area, one that you should know about but I hope you never need, is the AIO Center, the area's oncology and imaging center:
http://www.aoicenter.ch


Pet healthcare insurance is available, but still not too common. Not all vets will accept it, and when I looked into some plans, years ago, I quickly came to the conclusion that it made no financial sense for us given the many restrictions and cover limitations. Look into it yourself for your own situation, but be sure you fully understand the fine print. Animalia and Eponia are two companies that come to mind.

Routine vet care is generally a relative bargain in high priced Switzerland, but of course a serious illness could be expensive. Every pet owner needs to be prepared for that, you should always have several thousands put aside for emergencies.

As for dog care...

It generally is very difficult to find responsible reliable skilled dog care. Make this a top priority as soon as you settle, and do be prepared for the cost.

Prices for a dog walker run from CHF 25 to 75 per hour, depending on what you need. Prices for kennels run from CHF 25 to 100 per day, for care in a sitter's home usually around CHF 50 to 100 per day, care in your home CHF 200 per day and upwards.

If a doggy day care set-up would work for you, and if your dog is happy living with a good number of other dogs, a respected Hundehort is VI Dogs in Morgarten:
https://www.vidogs.ch

A platform where pet sitters and pet owners can advertise is Petsitting24:

Be aware that this is simply a platform, it is up to you to vet the person you hire and to ensure the legalities are covered. Very much caveat emptor - but who knows, worth looking into.
http://petsitting24.ch

One last thing - in addition to federal law, you will also need to learn and comply with cantonal law. Most dog control issues are regulated at the cantonal and Gemeinde levels. ZG is the most laissez-faire canton, there are few restrictions. ZG law can be found here:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/zug/


Note that while ZG does not require liability insurance for a dog owner (as most other cantons do) nonetheless you really should have it. Dog owner liability insurance is usually bundled into your Privathaftpflicht and is inexpensive, usually under CHF 100 per year. Given that a dog owner is usually held to be at fault, you would be wise to carry liability insurance.

But since you also mention ZH, if you decide to live in that canton be aware that ZH considers a boxer to be a List 1 dog, that is, potentially dangerous due to size. What this means is that dogs whose size is greater than 45cm or 15kg are required to take specific training classes. If you move to ZH, you will need to determine what classes are required based on the age of your dog. Contact the ZH Veterinäramt with any questions. An overview can be found here:
http://www.veta.zh.ch/internet/gesun...euen-jahr.html
and here:
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht/hunderecht/zurich/


Again, all the best as you settle in.

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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

Also, don't assume that you can have a dog when you rent a place to live here. Always check and double check and if possible get it written into the rental contract. Even if an ad says pets are allowed you may find that a small dog is okay, but something the size of your boxer is not so always be clear about the type of dog you're bringing and be sure you have permission before signing any rental agreement. And be prepared to pay a few francs more each month to add doggy damage cover to your personal liability insurance cover.

Remember too that the Swiss take lunch "breaks" which often mean going home for lunch. So you may be able to walk your dog yourself during your lunch break, depending on how close to your workplaces you end up living.

Once you find a place to live, you'll need to register your dog with the gemeinde and pay the dog tax. At the same time ask for their rules on dogs - when or even if dogs can be off-lead, whether they need to wear a muzzle, etc. Each gemeinde has its own rules on top of the cantonal ones (which you also need to find out).
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with our gorgeous Boxer

Hello, we imported our boxer dog (from the US) with a docked tail in 2015. Here's what I can advise.

1) I don't know dogs walkers in the area of Zug, but I can offer dogsitting with me and our boxer in Zurich (attaching photo) You can PM me if you're ever in need

2) For insurance, we also looked for an English speaking provider. After researching several companies and the top two were Helvetia and Epona. Both do not have an age limit to get insurance. For around 300chf/year we think it's a good investment and gives us peace of mind.

Based on our excel spreadsheet analysis, this was our findings:

EPONA
We went with Epona. Specifically their Ultima+ plan, because for a little bit more you get "unlimited" coverage (up to 50,000). Addison has at least 1 surgery a year to remove tumor masses, so considering we probably will spend 500-700 in surgery this was a good fit for us.

We paid ~90chf for the pre-insurance vet visit, where the vet checks the dog and reports to the insurance. I think this is one time fee and the charge will depend on the vet. Then we pay $340.05chf each year. The contract is for 3 years and automatically renews. I think the deductible is $500, and after you pay only 10% of charges (Epona covers 90%).

Here is their website: http://www.epona.ch/

HELVETIA
This may be a better option if your dog doesn't have a yearly surgery like Addison. The plan would have been $295.60chf each year and would have covered 5,000 for accidents and 2,000 for health issues (like cancer, sickness, etc.) I think the deductible was $50, and after you pay 0% (helvetia covers 100% after the deductible)....but it is per incident not per year. If your dog is healthy, I think this is a good plan. This is who we worked with to get the quote, but it was 2 years ago...

Bernhard Kössler
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FINMA Register-Nr. 29636

Ihre Schweizer Versicherung.

Helvetia Versicherungen, Generalagentur Zürich
Hohlstrasse 560, 8048 Zürich, Schweiz
T +41 (0)58 280 85 11 , direkt: +41 (0)58 280 85 64
F +41 (0)58 280 85 00, M+41 (0)79 439 35 70
mailto:bernhard.koessler@helvetia.ch, http://www.helvetia.ch


Here is my contact for epona, she was nice and still helps us with recent claims:
Alexandra Schilling, propriétaire de Lei-Lu, Dalmatien

epona. – Av. de Béthusy 54 – 1000 Lausanne 12
Tél. +41 21 654 31 24 – alexandra.schilling@epona.ca

3) for importing, just a few reminders
- check with your canton to see what dog training classes are required. The SKN classes for the most part are now no longer required, but in Zurich, if your dog is big you may still have to take classes. If you've had your boxer for several years like we did, then you may also be exempt from the classes.
- we imported our dog with a docked tail. You just have to provide paperwork showing that the docked tail/ears were medically necessary or done before you owned the dog.
- again you can pm me if you have specific Questions or would like to meet up with our boxer!

Regards, Marissa and boxer, Addison
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Hi all.
New to the forum, have been reading for a while and can see its a wealth of knowledge and shared experience so decided to post to see if I can get some pointers to help a potential move for me, the wife and boxer dog.

We both have offers of Swiss employment and no doubt look to settle in Zug. My questions are...

1. Can anyone recommend a trusted dog walker that covers Zug, if not a company / person then a link to a site advertising such things?
2. I believe from what I have read on here that the registration process (UK boxer) is fairly simplistic. What I can't find is details on vet insurance and ideally English speaking vets (as neither of us speak German but plan to address this in time)).
3. If anyone from the UK can share any advice of their dog move to ZH / Zug that would also be greatly appreciated.

Like to give thanks in advance to any advice shared.
So,as far as dog walker I give my beloved dog to Mirjam Lässer... as of vet in Zug, I can recommend you "myvets" in Cham...

Just ask me if you need to kniw more, since I live in Zug... and maybe we meet for a walk?
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