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Cat-readying the House

I have gone through the posts here but don't see this topic being covered.
We intend to adopt 2 cats somewhere around mid to late 2018.
We have just bought a (town)house and the finishing works are going on, hence we have access to good work people. That said, the triple glazed glass doors are in place.

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a. Our place is open concept and the master suite occupies the top floor, BUT there is no door to the master bedroom.
b. Husband used to be mildly allergic to cats, not sure how it is now. That means the cats cannot lounge in our beds while we are away. We both work and are away the entire day.

Advantages
a. We are in a very quiet village and have access to a nice garden and a stream. Plus saw a number of hood cats.
b. There is a lovely sunny patio which is wind protected.

Alternatives
a. Get a glazier to install a microchip readable cat flap; or
b. Cat flap on wooden basement door but that is the underground garage too; or
c. Build/buy a cat villa with heating and insulation and install it on our patio.


With alternative (a) problem (b) continues.

With alternative (b) cats can stay in the basement which is not heated or else problem (b) continues. Plus alternative (b) might be exposing cats to some additional danger.

I could lock the cat flap in the morning when we leave but then cats don't exactly have a shelter during day and that does not work.

Alternative (c) seems good in my opinion. There will be a litterbox so that they don't crap in others' gardens.

However, not sure if the animal shelters will accept this. Any suggestions and advices are most welcome. If alternative (a) or (b) then we need to talk to the architect asap.

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Alternatives
a. Get a glazier to install a microchip readable cat flap; or
b. Cat flap on wooden basement door but that is the underground garage too; or
c. Build/buy a cat villa with heating and insulation and install it on our patio.
d. Don't get a cat
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Have to say this would be my preferred option too given that someone in the household is already allergic. Mild allergies don't always stay mild... and then what?
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Re: Cat-readying the House

I went from being severly allergic to mildly allergic to non-allergic to cats in the last 30 years of continuously having them. Once you get them, they stay.
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I went from being severly allergic to mildly allergic to non-allergic to cats in the last 30 years of continuously having them. Once you get them, they stay.


Then you are one of the lucky ones, hubby still suffers a lot and it hasnīt improved over the years
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I went from being severly allergic to mildly allergic to non-allergic to cats in the last 30 years of continuously having them. Once you get them, they stay.
That's great. Be aware it can also go the other direction - that people with mild allergies can find that theirs turn into severe allergies over time. I have family members who have experienced this, so I'd be wary of betting against it for the next 10+ years of a cat's lifespan.
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Re: Cat-readying the House

I'm at the stage where I'm about to crumble and give into relentless pressure from my 8 year daughter about getting a cat.
A neighbour told me its possible to keep them outdoors, or in a garage as long as for an initial period of 2 weeks, you keep them indoors until they bond or learn you are their principal benefactor.
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I'm at the stage where I'm about to crumble and give into relentless pressure from my 8 year daughter about getting a cat.
A neighbour told me its possible to keep them outdoors, or in a garage as long as for an initial period of 2 weeks, you keep them indoors until they bond or learn you are their principal benefactor.
Why not get a rabbit?
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Why not get a rabbit?
Cats and rabbits are not interchangeable. I once pet sat someone's 2 rabbits for 2 months. Other than carrots they ate everything - fish, meat, rice, bread, noodles, hard cover books, my shoes, granny's spectacle frame, dad's silk tie. And pooped everywhere. And generally ignored us as best as they could. Plus they are smelly.
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Re: Cat-readying the House

I can't give any cat advice, but the allergy issue jumped out... so wearing my rescue hat, please take a look at this thread:

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...dog-breed.html

Yes, it's about an allergy sufferer who is mulling over getting a dog, but the exact same issues apply. If you decide on a cat, you need to set up a sufficient trial with individual animal, not just with any cat. You could be fine with one cat and unable to breathe with another.

So first step, see your doctor/allergist for an assessment. Only go further if he or she gives you the OK.

With that rescue hat is still in place:

I've seen too many pets lose their homes because of allergies. Yes, people start out with the best of intentions, most really do try to make it work. But an allergy that in the end cannot be managed means that pet ownership is off the table.

To be fair to the cat, only begin your search once you have clearly determined that allergies are no longer an issue or can be managed, once your doctors are on board. And even then, there must be a plan B in place, someone from the start who is willing to step in and take care of the cat if you find the allergies cannot be managed. Anything else is simply unfair to all.

All the best...
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Why not get a rabbit?
Rabbits will eat all of your cables.

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be wary of betting against it for the next 10+ years of a cat's lifespan.
10 years??? - our Pudding is 24 and we've never had a cat that didn't live to 18 at least.

Live outdoors- through Swiss winters?!? Surely you don't even begin to think that is acceptable. Never ever bend to a kid's pressure to have an animal- never- unless you are prepared to look after it for its whole life ...even when you daughter has left home in about 10 years' time when cat will still have perhaps half of its life left.
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Re: Cat-readying the House

As always your response is very considered. Thank you.
As I am a life long rescuer of cats, there is no question of ever returning a cat to the shelter (or as they do back home, back to the streets).
That said, how does one carry out a trial? Do shelters give animals out on trial? If that is not possible, then?
Based on multiple researches on the net, it appears that if the cats are left out of the bedroom, the chances of allergy are reduced dramatically. Hence my initial question if one can keep an mostly outdoor cat and shelters allow adoption only for primarily indoor cats.
And yes, getting cats is kind of very important for us. So its about finding a balanced way in which it can be managed.
Yes it can always be that we find out that this is impossible and will be unfair on the animals, but does one give up something so fundamental just like that without even looking through every potential solution?
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From what you say, your house is totally unsuitable to keep the cats out of certain areas.

As for a "cat villa" with heating and all mod cons, a very high chance the cat will take one look at it, look at you saying stuff this and go and sleep elsewhere.

Cats are totally independent and don't give a toss about anything apart from themselves, including the hand that feeds them.

To boot, "We both work and are out the entire day" so the cat will be alone for at least 10-12 hours every day.....sounding a bit like the cat is a fashion accessory a la Paris Hilton
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Re: Cat-readying the House

Buy a Sphynx cat (naked cat= less allergies) and let him sleep on the bed and treat him right, but being away all day as said isn't the best for him.
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That said, how does one carry out a trial? Do shelters give animals out on trial?
Start by discussing this with the rehoming manager at the shelter. Be frank with your concerns saying that you believe that allergies are no longer an issue but *because you firmly believe in responsible pet ownership* you would like to get to know this cat, spend time with him, to assess any potential for allergic reaction.

I'd recommend first visiting the cat at the shelter several times, spending a long time with him in an enclosed space if possible. See if you react, or not.

But you still need to see if you react in your home, as environment can be a factor. Ask the shelter if a home trial is possible. Some may flatly say no. Others might be open to the idea.

It's all about building a relationship with the shelter, building trust. Approach them openly and honestly, show that you have thought through the issues and challenges thoroughly, and have a plan that puts the cat's welfare first in all foreseeable circumstances.

The need for a trial period might be not be posivitely received if you are looking to adopt a kitten, as there are usually lots of people wanting kittens who do not have your potential complications. But if you are willing to adopt an older cat, or a bonded pair, or a cat that has been waiting for his new family for a long time, then chances are the shelter will be more receptive.

If a trial is not possible through a shelter, perhaps looking to adopt privately would be the next possibility. Keep an eye on EF, for instance. Arrangements made in a private adoption might be more flexible.

But if allergies are a possibility, I do believe that a trial is absolutely necessary. For your sake, and for the cat's.

Again, all the best.
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To boot, "We both work and are out the entire day" so the cat will be alone for at least 10-12 hours every day.....sounding a bit like the cat is a fashion accessory a la Paris Hilton
In your eagerness to be judgmental you did not bother to read that I said we plan to adopt TWO cats. Two cats together is not exactly alone, or is it?
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Start by discussing this with the rehoming manager at the shelter. Be frank with your concerns saying that you believe that allergies are no longer an issue but *because you firmly believe in responsible pet ownership* you would like to get to know this cat, spend time with him, to assess any potential for allergic reaction.
I Love Love Love your suggestions. No, I dont plan to get kittens. I plan to get 1-5 year old cats and most likely bonded siblings. The kittens have many takers and they are kittens only for so long. Then they are grumpy little cat monsters.
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Cats and rabbits are not interchangeable. I once pet sat someone's 2 rabbits for 2 months. Other than carrots they ate everything - fish, meat, rice, bread, noodles, hard cover books, my shoes, granny's spectacle frame, dad's silk tie. And pooped everywhere. And generally ignored us as best as they could. Plus they are smelly.
Look after them properly then.

Ours are very clean, toilet trained, and don't smell at all.
They have toys (egg boxes and stuff), freedom of the whole flat (except bedroom with a baby gate), and a rabbit proof balcony. They follow our routine and watch TV with us.
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Rabbits will eat all of your cables.

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Exposed wires: double or triple wrap them with cable protectors.
Baby gates keep them out of rooms.

Cats are bastards. I'd rather rabbit proof cables.
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