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My dog got attack by another dog

Hello Everyone, I'm just trying to understand what i can do about what happen to my dog today.

My office is dog friendly and we usually have 3 dogs running around. My dog had a treat and left it on the floor for couple of seconds before another one came to steal it from him... Guess what happened next? My dog try to take his treat back but the other one bite his ear... Poor thing, lost some skin, have a whole (not complete) and bled a lot... I cleansed the wound and make sure his fine.

He's my first dog. I love him like my baby.

What would you do ? Call the Veterinäramt ? And I think the dog is not even registered here...

Advice would be great !
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Go to the vet if you think your dog needs further help.
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

thanks Roegner, I've cleaned the wound and he looks fine. But I am scared of the trauma he got from that experience.
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

Go to the vet and send the owner of the dog that bit your dog the bill.

Edit: I see that you mentioned the wound looks fine. Have you tried talking to the owner of the other dog, what did he/she say?
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

I gave two options to the person:
1. Your dog stays on the leash all the time in the office or he stays at home
2. If not, I'll call the Veterinäramt, because you're dog is a danger.

I didn't think about the bill but thats a good idea.
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I gave two options to the person:
1. Your dog stays on the leash all the time in the office or he stays at home
2. If not, I'll call the Veterinäramt, because you're dog is a danger.

I didn't think about the bill but thats a good idea.
Go to the vet.
He will report the injury.

All you've done so far is show the other owner that you're upset and tell them what they must do.

This won't help either of the dogs get along with each other, nor you with the other owner.
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Go to the vet and send the owner of the dog that bit your dog the bill.

Edit: I see that you mentioned the wound looks fine. Have you tried talking to the owner of the other dog, what did he/she say?
A lose dog in an office eating when the other ones are not....yeah good luck with that one, the only real result will be no more dogs in the office
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

That will be the most likely outcome, yes
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Go to the vet.
He will report the injury.

All you've done so far is show the other owner that you're upset and tell them what they must do.

This won't help either of the dogs get along with each other, nor you with the other owner.
I really don't care about the human relationship here. I'm just tired of the behaviour of that dog... He always shows aggressiveness towards my dog or other dogs that are similar size or bigger than him.

The person call my bluff to call the authority. I think i will bring him to the vet tomorrow morning then if my vet says its serious i'll really call the police.
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I really don't care about the human relationship here. I'm just tired of the behaviour of that dog... He always shows aggressiveness towards my dog or other dogs that are similar size or bigger than him.

The person call my bluff to call the authority. I think i will bring him to the vet tomorrow morning then if my vet says its serious i'll really call the police.
Are you sure you want to risk your job over this? Have a word with the owner of the other dog first. See if you can get some space only for your dog and some space for the other dog
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Oh dear- I am so sorry that happened- but the police ?!? What are they going to do?

The outcome will indeed be no more dogs in office, and then what- for the other dog, and for yours?

You are, in your own words- a novice dog owner- so I won't 'blame' you as such- but giving one dog a treat and not others- and leave them to it- it a recipe for disaster. Stop giving treats in front of other dogs- take your dog out of the office and give the treat when supervised and otu of sight of others.

Have you done the compulsory dog owner's course? What makes you think the other dog is not probably registered here?
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I really don't care about the human relationship here. I'm just tired of the behaviour of that dog... He always shows aggressiveness towards my dog or other dogs that are similar size or bigger than him.

The person call my bluff to call the authority. I think i will bring him to the vet tomorrow morning then if my vet says its serious i'll really call the police.

Excellent decision, go for it !

Next time you bring a treat in for YOUR dog, don't forget the others, dogs are worse than children in this respect.

I trust you'll have somebody in mind to look after you dog when you're in the office and dogs are no longer allowed, i guess this will work out far more expensive than any eventual vert bill for what is essentially a very minor injury.

Maybe think how well your employer will take to having the police in to disrupt working hours whilst they establish a report, i'm sure he's going to be really happy with you.

Essentially the fault lies with you as you gave you dog a treat and didn't do the same for the other dogs.
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm kind of hot headed at the moment because I love my dog. And obviously, it is hard to take or make the right decision when you are emotionally affected.

Yes I did the class, I'm all good on that side. My dog is a well-educated dog. Same treats were given to the 3 dogs all had their share. But one was probably too greedy.

I understand that risking not having dog in the office is at play here but i want to teach a lesson to the owner that her dog needs to be taken cared off.

@Odile, how do i know ? because I know that as master as dog, both are greedy and the dog moved here but never was registered as far as I remember... using our red bags but not paying tax for it.
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

Joey, the following is not a discussion of blame, but rather of how to manage multiple dogs in a confined space.

Whenever there is more than one dog in a defined space you must always be on the lookout for pack behavior, even if the individual dogs do not show any signs of that behavior when at home or singly in that space. A pack, even a temporary gathering of dogs, must be managed at all times. That means the owners of all the dogs need to take responsibility individually and in common for how you manage the dogs during the time they are together while you are working.

'Resource guarding' is a common problem among a pack, and resource guarding is all the more prevalent in 'artificial' packs, that is, groups of dogs who do not live together 24/7, who are brought together for intermittent or short periods and so do not have the usual interaction over time that allows the establishment of pack harmony.

In the future I would suggest that no treats, toys, or anything else that could be a point of contention/jealousy be left on the floor at the office, even for a millisecond.

Objects left on the ground, or in reach of others, even games or play, can create a situation that is a flash point for any group of dogs. You and the other dog owners need to do your part to avoid allowing this to happen. The simplest way to do so is to make sure all disputable resources are not left in the open, are under your control at all times.

You need to be especially careful around food, as food is the ultimate resource. Do not feed your dog, even treats, in the presence or reachable distance of the other dogs. You and the other owners need to come to agreement as to how/when food is given out.

It is wholly unfair to all the dogs to just leave them to 'sort themselves out', active management is required. Especially in a temporary pack.

So set the dogs, yours and the others, up for success by managing their activities, manage their interaction with resources and with each other.

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As to the incident, as others say, take your dog to the vet. Even if your dog seems fine it is important that the wound is cleaned and checked for any possibility of infection.

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Was your dog on lead under your desk? Was your dog in a common area? Did you gave the dog the treat in the presence of other dogs, were you supervising the dog while he finished the treat?

If you even unwittingly set up a situation that could lead to resource guarding, and if your dog was not 100% under your control at the time, then understand that you share some degree of responsibility for the incident. This is why I do not see chasing blame as a productive step, rather please think about how your management might have contributed to the incident simply to learn from this, so you and the other owners could avoid similar dust-ups in the future.

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Ask the other owner to pay the vet costs, or perhaps propose a split.

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But more importantly, please think about the future, and how you and the other dog owners will manage your dogs while you are working.

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I've had my share of run-ins with irresponsible owners, and I have found that the most effective way to deal with these is to approach it from a problem solving standpoint rather than invoking an authority. I always ask myself: How would I respond if my dog I were the culprit?

That's why I prefer to try to spread the Gospel According To Meloncollie, i.e., responsibility, training, appropriate environmental management, responsiblity, responsibility, responsibility. I have found that doggy interaction problems are usually best solved using positive reward-based training... of the owner.

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And finally - have you assessed whether the office really is an appropriate place for your dog?

Have you considered a doggy day care option as an alternative, a place where your dog would have opportunities for more appropriate play and interaction during the day?
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Tbecause I know that as master as dog, both are greedy and the dog moved here but never was registered as far as I remember... using our red bags but not paying tax for it.
Come on, that you are worried because your dog got attacked, fine, that is normal. Now suddenly accusing others because they use "our" red bags and you think to know the dog was not registered is going a bit far. How can you know the dog was not registered??

And how does that change the situation? Do you want the other dog to be put down?
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

The other dog isnt necessarily untrained.....it's a dog! An animal! And they play 'who's the daddy' amongst other dogs, especially over stuff like food and in a confined space (office) makes it worse.

There is a difference between an aggressive dog, and a 'normal' one who can get upset and face off to other dogs or even snap at / bite them when they feel defensive over food etc

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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

Thank you all. So much easier to make the right decision when I get advices like today.

I followed Meloncollie advice here. I'll try to work that out with my colleague but it is trully frustrating and painful to see your little boy get attacked like that.

Thanks for the support EF !
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

A little light reading for you and for the other owners who bring their dogs to the office: 'Feeling Outnumbered?' by Patricia McConnell

https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Outnu.../dp/1891767062

This is a very short booklet, ca 50 pages or so. It is geared to the multi-dog household but much of what is talked about is also applicable to this situation in your office. The booklet talks about dog behavior in a pack environment, giving techinques for management that might be helpful for you.

The ownership task in your office situation is somewhat more difficult than a home with several dogs and one owner, as you all have to work together, you all have to agree on ground rules for managing your dogs in the office environment. But you must set ground rules! To be most effective, these ground rules should take into account the individuals needs and characters of each dog.

If you think this situation is beyond your abilities as a trainer, as you mention you are a novice, you could also propose that you owners all meet together with a trainer or behaviorist. Some trainers/behaviorists will even come on site. An assessment and support from a pro might be valuable as you all figure out how you will set up the most appropriate environment for your dogs going forward.


Hope it all works out.
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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

Thanks for reminding any (potential) employers about just how bad of an idea dogs at work are.

I would allow hamsters. And turtles.
But dogs?


Also, can I say:




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Re: My dog got attack by another dog

You obviously don't like the owner of the other dog, nor the dog - dogs are very sensitive and will sense this too.
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