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Siberian Husky Problems

So I am planning got getting a Siberian husky. I had one back in Poland so I know that they howl quite a lot.

Here in Switzerland I live in an apartment, so I was wondering, if my husky howls too much can the neighbors complain to the police or something and I get in trouble or can the husky be taken away from me.

My husky will always have someone home with him 24\7 as my wife does not work. I will make sure he is walked 3 times a day, so he will be getting enough exercise.
So he will not be howling because something is happening to him but because it is in the huskies nature to howl.


Also does anyone know any good husky breeders around the cantons Zug, Luzern or Zurich.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

If your husky howls after curfew (10pm I think) you can get fined and your landlord could evict you.

How stringent this will be is based on your neighbors and landlord...

Also worth reading:
https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...g-barking.html
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My husky will always have someone home with him 24\7 as my wife does not work.
Sorry but this sounds rather unlikely. Your wife can hardly take the dog with her everywhere and I assume she will go out occasionally to somewhere where dogs are forbidden or at least not really welcome. Doctor, shopping, hairdresser etc. Even the most tolerant of neighbours will be annoyed occasionally if the dog howls for too long a period. However much you love the breed I wouldn't recommend having this sort of dog here unless you have acres of land.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

When I lived in Sweden I knew someone who raced Huskies.

Huskies are super energetic and are proper working dogs. They are built for what they do and have requirements. Huskies need to be in a pack and have very strong instincts with regards to hierarchy and their role.

I am of the opinion that a Husky is entirely inappopriate as an apartment dog. If you do not have experience with Huskies, please reconsider your desire to have one.

Why do you want a Husky?

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So he will not be howling because something is happening to him but because it is in the huskies nature to howl.
Really, this is just an a crash waiting to happen...
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

- You need to live on a farm before doing any thing
- You need a pack of huskies.

Seriously, a solitary husky in an apartment...
I'd report you for animal cruelty before I report you for the (entirely natural) noise
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

Please get in touch with EF member 'Ulaula'. She has a husky, is very knowledgable of the breed and the particular challenges of living in Switzerland.

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because it is in the huskies nature to howl.

I'm not going to repeat my reams and reams of posts on the subject, but I am an owner of instictively vocal breeds, one of whom was at the extreme end even for his breed. This is an issue I know all too well, just search my posts for 'barking' and 'The Belltie'... But I'll say this:

While much of Swiss animal welfare law is in place to promote the ability to engage in 'natural' behavior for each species, when it comes to dogs the overriding social and legal construct is that a dog is trainable, and so must be trained to live within expectations of Swiss society - even when that means training out instictive behavior. Trust me, when the natural instict of a dog, any dog, comes into conflict with the Swiss need for quiet... dogs lose. We have to train our dogs to be 'Swiss quiet'. Or live far enough away from neighbors for it not to matter.


Again, please contact Ulaula for tips on huskies in Switzerland.

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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

Currently we have 2 dogs on semi-permanent loan- Danish farm dogs, a bit like Jack Russels but a bit bigger and taller. So cute ... but one of them is a tad 'autistic' and will bark at anything, everything and everyone .... and when Dr O goes out, will often begin to howl like a wolf- followed by the other one.

No problem- we live in a very large old house in the mountains, and our nearest neighbour lives 250m away - and loves them to bits. Even though we have excellent double glazing, she can still hear them when they howl - but she is totally tolerant- and will even come and take them out for a walk if she has the time. Were we to live in an apartment- or even a house surrounded with other houses, especially if other dogs present - it would be a total nightmare and we would probably cause an awful lot of hassle ... can't even begin to imagine what it would be like with a huskie.

I am sorry, but a huskie on his own in an apartment is an absolute NO. Choose a dog suitable, for the dog's sake, never mind yours and your neighbours. If you have had huskies before- you should really know that yourself.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

Anna, this question is why I recommended on your other thread that you take the SKN Theory course even though it is no longer a requirement. Among the many things discussed in that class are Swiss expectations, Swiss norms, Swiss law. The whole idea of the class is to get a prospective owner thinking about whether he is ready for dog ownership 'Swiss style', what can he offer a dog, what can't he offer a dog - and consequently what type of dog is appropriate for his life in Switzerland.

I was a dog owner long before moving to Switzerland, thought myself well versed in all that I needed to know to give my dogs a happy life in varying living situations in varying countries. Nonetheless Switzerland was something of a shock. I had to re-think and re-learn so much in order to live in harmony with my neighbors while giving my dogs a good life here.

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Another possibility: why not get in touch with the SKG club for the nordic breeds, the Schweizerischer Klub for Nordische Hunde:

http://www.sknh.ch/index.html

See if you can speak to some of the Swiss breeders or folks active in the club, ask them if your situation would be considered appropriate for one of their dogs. And please - if the consensus at this time, given current accommodation is 'no', take that to heart.

I am well aware that every dog is an individual and that a dedicated owner can make a wide variety of living situations workable. BTDT. But you do have to understand what is required of you, and if your living situation is less than ideal you have to do some serious soul-searching to determine if you, and the whole family, can truly dedicate the time, effort, and treasure necessary to make it all work. For the dog's sake.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

To be fair Meloncoliie - would the issues not be exactly the same in France, the UK, the USA or anywhere at all? A dog howling in an apartment block would cause lots of hassle here, there or anywhere. But excellent post, as always.

BTW, our dog guests are 9 and 12- so this barking and howling has been established for a long time- so not sure if anything could be done at this stage. Advice and your thoughts very welcome (as said though, not an issue here - thank goodness).
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f you do not have experience with Huskies, please reconsider your desire to have one.

Why do you want a Husky?
as I said above I did have a husky back in Poland, I feel like huskies can be great in apartments if they get enough exercise, which I will make sure he does.
My family had have lots huskies so I know quite a lot about the breed
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

I do love dogs and had them for many years (not in Switzerland tho) but nature or not, if your dog howls to often at night and you cannot stop such than your dog has to go with or without you, your landlord and the Swiss law will back me up on this.

Most straight answer to your question i can think of.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

Yea, this world is full of people owning unsuitable dogs.

The guy on the ground floor in my apartment block has a pair of huge, blue Cane Corsos. (Seriously, they're blue.) Basically, these are dogs bred to be psychopaths from a long line of psychopaths. He daren't take them both for a walk at the same time and he's clearly at the bottom of the pecking order in the pack given the way they drag him on the leash.

One of them lunged at me barking furiously when I passed them in the hall one day. A sharp whack to its snout combined with an ear-curdling kiai produced a suitably submissive pose (in the dog too), but it was a pretty scary situation. He promised to take it for training so we'll see how that goes...

Huskies don't appear to be psychopathic, but an apartment seems a very unsuitable place to keep one. What's it going to do? Run round and round the living room while going slowly mad?

Have you considered another hobby? Maybe precious metal collecting or even producing manko art (Rokudenashiko's kayak was an amazing achievement, but the world is yearning for a two-man version).
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as I said above I did have a husky back in Poland, I feel like huskies can be great in apartments if they get enough exercise, which I will make sure he does.
My family had have lots huskies so I know quite a lot about the breed
I wish I could say "on your head be it then". But unfortunately, it won't be your head, but your dog's that's at stake. I don't doubt that you know a fair amount about Huskies, but what you don't know is what Switzerland expects of dog owners. As Meloncollie suggests do the SKN course and find out, contact the breed association and talk to them. Yes, the SKN course will cost, but that's a small price to pay to be sure you understand what's required of you and your dog while living here.

Also do you know that both canton and gemeinde have their own rules and regulations regarding dogs? You need to check on both those so you understand when your dog can or cannot be offlead, etc. Want to visit another canton or gemeinde - again check on their rules because they may well be different.

Does your apartment block even allow pets? That's the first thing you need to confirm and you may need to add some doggie damage insurance to your personal liability insurance.
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Re: Siberian Husky Problems

Quite simple, if your dog howls in an apartment block you'll be out !

You'll also have visits from various authorities to see if the dog is being properly looked after, the landlord will ask you to leave so as to keep the peace with other residents.

At the end of the day, is it not a little egoistic to keep a breed of dog like a Husky in an apartment ?

They are 100% outdoors dogs anyway !
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There are people in out village with huskies in appartments without problem. One even has two.

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There are people in out village with huskies in appartments without problem. One even has two.

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Not saying it isn't possible, but there are a lot of factors to consider and at the end of the day, is it really fair to keep a dog like this in an apartment ?

Coming from where Husky's come from and doing what Husky's are best at doing, to me, an apartment is not really suitable for such a dog, they're 100% outside dogs, despite what we may think, outside is where they are happiest, to my mind.
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I know quite a lot about the breed
But you don't know how to teach them to be quiet?

Apart from all the rules of the canton, the community and the landlord, you might also get "rules" from the breeder, if they are a responsible one. They might want to see, how you live and what the puppy can expect; if you don't meet their standards, then they won't sell you a puppy. And if they don't check, then you better go look for a responsible breeder.
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There are people in out village with huskies in appartments without problem. One even has two.

Tom
But Ticino is different.
I think one problem is that even if the chance of the placing being a resounding success is 90%, what happens if the poor dog isn't happy? One cannot put back the clock.
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