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Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

I have never got a dog from a breeder before. Every dog I have had has either come from a shelter or a friends dog has been having puppies... and we took in a stray kitten that found us.

However, now, I'm not set on one breed, but would like to possibly get a black lab, golden retriever, border collie or husky. Also, to make thing more complicated, I want to bring it home at the end of April - beginning of May, as that is when I have heaps of time to spend with it.

How do I go about finding breeders, with litters due in Spring? (I know it's too early as gestation period is around 2 months..... but in theory?).
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Old 03.10.2017, 13:42
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

I imagine Google will show you what is available in Wallis. But I am sure you know there are many unscrupulous puppy traders around. Hint: only buy from someone with the bitch and puppies seen together.

You could Google every day until you find a fresh advert for a litter of your choice, visit the seller and then make a decision. Otherwise you need to contact the breeders and get on their mailing lists. Breeders usually advertise their new litters asap.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=Labra...KYfZ8Afox5SwCg
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

Now's the time to start thinking about what your future friend, and start networking with breeders, establishing relationships.

But first:

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However, now, I'm not set on one breed, but would like to possibly get a black lab, golden retriever, border collie or husky.
That's quite a diverse list. There is a vast difference between those four breeds in terms of character, instinct, activity levels (both the dogs, and yours need to match his), training motivation and 'workiness', that is, how you will have to tailor your approach to training, etc.

I'd first spend a lot of time thinking about why each of those breeds appeal and thinking about what is needed to raise a puppy of each breed given your family and lifestyle.

Before going any further, do try to whittle the list down. For all the usual reasons, but also because given how infrequently breeders in Switzerland produce litters I'd worry that you might be tempted to take on the puppy who was available rather than the dog you in your heart of hearts want to share your life with.

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Also, to make thing more complicated, I want to bring it home at the end of April - beginning of May, as that is when I have heaps of time to spend with it.

How do I go about finding breeders, with litters due in Spring? (I know it's too early as gestation period is around 2 months..... but in theory?).
First understand that in Switzerland there are not all that many breeders, at least not serious FCI/SKG members, so it's often more complicated than contacting breeders and asking to buy a puppy. You often need to establish a relationship with the breeder beforehand, pass an interview, get on a waiting list.

It's possible a breeder might have an unreserved puppy just when you want one, but do make sure you understand why. It may simply be a larger litter than expected or a buyer on the list dropped out...but having a lot of puppies unreserved can be a sign that further investigation is needed.

Which brings us to: Of course you also want to check out the breeder, make sure he or she is breeding for the health and temperament, responsibly, for the good of the breed, had an appropriate early socialization program, etc. I'll be back with a link to a check list of the things you should look for in a breeder.

You need to do quite a bit of investigation, as there are far too many irresponsible breeders and downright evil battery farming barstewards operating in Switzerland.

Do not be fooled by a shiny sparkly website - you really need to get out there and meet the breeders, investigate their operation, see for yourself how the dogs are treated, how the puppies are raised.

Stay away from the 'free ads', as these are often used by not only evil barsteward battery farmers (who pose as rescues as well as breeders, by the way) but also these listings are infested with scams as well.

Switzerland is a target for the noxious battery farming trade, as it is well known that demand exceeds local supply in many breeds, it is well known that naive Swiss buyers tend to part with money without asking too many questions. Do not go this route! Paying these scum only condemns more dogs to utterly horrible lives and cruel deaths.

The umbrella organization for breeders in Switzeland is the SKG. On their website you will find breed club listings. Contact the breed club 'Zuchtwart (sorry, don't know the term in French), the person who is in charge of keeping track of litters planned and litters born. Many clubs have current litter information on their site, if so contact the breeder directly.

https://www.skg.ch

Start with breeders who are members of a breed club within the SKG club, but be aware that membership alone is not enough of a guarantee . You still need to do due diligence.

FYI, There are also some good breeders in 'dissident' clubs, breeders who choose to breed outside the SKG for a variety of reasons. You'd want to understand why these breeders have chosen this route, though, understand the regulations under which they are breeding, and of course do you due diligence.

In some breeds - my beloved shelties, for instance, you could end up waiting years for a Swiss puppy. The competition among buyers is fierce as so few dogs are born each year.

You could also look at FCI (the international kennel club organization) breeders in France and Germany. In Germany it's the VDH, I know less about about breeders in France. Again, due diligence, due diligence, due diligence.

I would suggest scrapping your timeline - it may be unrealistic. You get your puppy when a good breeder, one who has accepted you as a good home for one of his or her puppies, has a puppy available. There may well be a puppy for you in the spring - or maybe tomorrow, or maybe in a year or two.

Start by establishing relationships.

RE: Border collies. Be aware of the difference between working lines and pet lines. If you are not an experienced working BC owner, and if you don't have an outlet for such a dog's instincts and copious energy, you might be biting off more than you can chew with a dog from strict working lines. It's unlikely you'd be offered one of these dogs, as they are highly sought after by farmers. So if a BC is your dream dog, do research the different lines.

I'll be back later with some more links, but I see that the Belltie is calling me...


Wishing you and your future friend all the very best.
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

Don't forget the shelters either. They may have some puppies looking for forever homes.
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

Links, as promised:

The Retriever club of Switzerland, responsible for both the labrador and golden retriever breeds:
http://www.retriever.ch


Border Collie Club:
http://www.border-collie-club.ch

Schweizer Klub für Nordische Hunde, responsible for Huskies and the various northern breeds:
http://www.sknh.ch/index.html

And FYI, a listing of all the SKG breed clubs, for the various breeds:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/3cc07...a0fa8a31cb.pdf

The Verein Deutscher Hunde, the umbrella organization in Germany:
http://www.vdh.de/home/
You cansearcbh for breeders by breed and PLZ here:
http://www.vdh.de/welpen/zuechter-suche
Or search by breed club here:
http://www.vdh.de/vereine/mitgliedsvereine/?no_cache=1

In France start with the SCC.ASSO
http://www.scc.asso.fr
Look for breed clubs here:
http://www.scc.asso.fr/Repertoire-de...s-de-races-des


FCI, the international dog federation, of which the SKG and VDH are members:
http://www.fci.be/en/
If you need to search farther afield you could look for international breeders by first looking for the relevant umbrella club in each country.



The BLV and the STS have complied a good brochure ‘Augen Auf Beim Hundekauf’ detailing what to look for and what to avoid when buying a dog.
http://www.hundekauf.ch/docs/pdf/bro..._hundekauf.pdf
There doesn’t seem to be a direct link for the brochure in French… anyone whose French is better than mine (which is just about everybody) care to search?


And here is the ASPCA position statement on responsible breeding, these are things you should look for in doing your due diligence. Yes, this is an American animal welfare group, but the principles apply everywhere.
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca...e-breedingwhat

And of course, as Medea suggests, do keep an eye on the Tierdatenbank. (www.tierdatenbank.ch) Also some breed clubs have an SOS link on their sites, where dogs of their breeds needing homes are listed. And there are breed-specific rescues as well, these seem to be more common in Germany and elsewhere than in Switzerland.

Again, all the best.
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That's quite a diverse list. There is a vast difference between those four breeds in terms of character, instinct, activity levels (both the dogs, and yours need to match his), training motivation and 'workiness', that is, how you will have to tailor your approach to training, etc.
I know... I'm mainly drawn to the cuteness factor..... awww they are gorgeous, and them and them I want a clever, energetic dog, that enjoys playing and training but also isn't a total handful.

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RE: Border collies. Be aware of the difference between working lines and pet lines. If you are not an experienced working BC owner, and if you don't have an outlet for such a dog's instincts and copious energy, you might be biting off more than you can chew with a dog from strict working lines. It's unlikely you'd be offered one of these dogs, as they are highly sought after by farmers. So if a BC is your dream dog, do research the different lines.
I had a border collie springer spaniel cross as a kid... though to be fair she was more spaniel in temperament .... how she put up with me and my sister dressing her up as a horse is anyones guess... bless her!

Thanks for all the info!
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I know... I'm mainly drawn to the cuteness factor..... awww they are gorgeous, and them and them I want a clever, energetic dog, that enjoys playing and training but also isn't a total handful.
Then I would highly recommend removing Husky and border collie from that list As an owner of one, huskies are a big handful due to their seemingly endless energy. and border collies' high intelligence will find another outlet if you cannot keep up with it. Both adorable? Absolutely! But both very high maintenance!

And for huskies, I hope you plan on being bf's with a lint roller
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

All such great information! Thank you all.
I'm ready for my search!
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Re: Where to find a puppy..... & at the right time of year??

Island Monkey,

Don't forget we want piccies, lots of them!!
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