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Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Hello Everyone, My husband and I really want a golden doodle. I have tried searching but cannot find a breeder.


Does anyone know of a golden doodle breeder in Switzerland or surroundings like France or Germany? (Close to the Swiss border)


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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

I don't think you will. I did a quick google and nothing came up. This designer dog seems to be popular in the US and Aus, but nothing about Europe.

Why a designer dog anyway? There are plenty of other dogs looking for forever homes here. Can't you give them your love instead?
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Sephari, please be aware that there is no breed club overseeing those producing dogs of mixed golden retriever and poodle parentage, simply because this is not an FCI or KC recognized breed. A golden doodle is a mixed breed.

I bring this up because ou should be aware there is no standard and thus no health and temperament regulation - and unfortunately that means that there are some very bad actors out there producing dogs who are, tragically, not what people think they are spending their many thousands of franc on.

I would urge you to read what Wally Conron, the man who coined the name Labradoodle, giving rise to the disturbing 'Whateveroodle' craze, has come to say about the monster he unwittingly created. Mr Conron truly regrets coining that name and opening this pandora's box, to the detriment of dogdom:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...s-his-creation

Mr Conron was in charge of the breeding program for the Australian guide dogs for the blind association. He was asked to try to find a solution for a blind gentleman needing a guide dog - but the man was allergic to most dogs. Mr Conron had the idea to cross a lab with a poodle, trying to find a coat that the client would not react to. (more on how unstable that process is later...) What Mr Conron found was that while there were usually many people willing to foster the organizations lab puppies prior to their starting training, no one was willing to take on these 'mutts' to do the same fostering. So to drum up interest, Mr Conron called these lab x poodle crosses 'Labradoodles'. Suddenly the phone was ringing off the hook with foster volunteers...

And the Dark Side of the dog trade took notice. People respond to trends, often without questioning what is really happening. As the use of a catchy name became a 'thing' suddenly people with dollar signs in their eyes started tossing any dog with a poodle to create a supposedly non allergic 'whatever oodle'.

Well canine genetics is far more complicated. As with most sudden fashions, the bad actors and naively uninformed neophytes took over. With no oversight, no health or temperament assessment prior to breeding, suddenly the dog world is seeing a huge increase in 'oodles' with unstable temperaments and the serious inherited health issues of either or both parents.

Yes there are lovely 'Whateveroodles'. But there are many more poorly bred 'Whateveroodles'. These particular mixes are are often the victims of unspeakable battery production.

Why this particular mix? If you are in need of a so-called 'non-allergenic' dog, please be aware that the issue is far more complicated. This mix does not automatically produce dogs to which you might not be allergic - no, given the genetics at play some puppies might have very different coats. Also be aware that the allergens many people react to are also found in dander and saliva. No, if allergies are an issue one MUST assess each individual dog - and that can only effectively be done after the dog has it's adult coat.

I'm not going to repeat what I and other posters have written on the subject of so-called hypoallergenic dog coats, but rather point you to this thread where the issues have been discussed in detail. Please read it carefully:

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...dog-breed.html


If after careful research into what makes a responsible, ethical breeder and what signs to watch for in a charlatan, a scammer, an evil battery producer, a naively dangerous BYB, if you have carefully researched the myriad genetic issues at play in both breeds, if you are willing to put in the time necessary to search out, investigate, and fully assess the people you find producing this mix... if you do all that and still believe this mix is the right dog for you, then I hope you find that responsible, ethical breeder, and may you and your dog have a long, happy, healthy life together.
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

You might find what you want nearer to Christmas...

http://www.tier-inserate.ch/Hunde/Hybridhunde.aspx

http://www.tierwelt.ch/?rub=5434#ins

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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Sepahri, you might be interested in a new set of courses that are being rolled out designed to fill the knowledge gap left when the SKN was abolished. These courses are entirely voluntary.

In the short time since the SKN abolition it's been noticed that the standard among dog owners seems to be declining, which is such a shame. It has been posited that some of that decline comes from a lack of knowledge, as we no longer have a 'central message' discussing what a dog owner needs to know before taking on this responsibility, as well as what one needs to know throughout the next 15 years. Without a vehicle to dispense this info - which is what the SKN, for all it's structural faults did - dog owners, especially new dog owners or people new to Switzerland, are making mistakes, and our dogs are suffering for it.

The new National Hundehalterbrevet (NHB) is being set up to address that. As above, this course is voluntary. I have not yet taken it, so can't comment on specifics, but even with my 25+ years and many dogs behind me I'm looking forward to doing so.

The NHB will have a theory portion, intended (if I understand correctly) to address the things one should know before taking on a dog - hopefully where to find responsible breeders, how to assess if a breeder is indeed responsible would be discussed.

I don't know who in Fribourg offers the course, but you might get in touch with EF member Cherry Tree, who is licensed to do the NHB courses. Perhaps she could point you in the right direction.


ETA:

Here's the press release announcing the new NHB:

https://www.svk-asmpa.ch/images/aktu...17-MMNHB-d.pdf

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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Dear All,


Thank you all for all your useful replies, I have read them all and you are all right, further investigation needs to be done on my part. ( which I intended to do before we even bought the dog)


Its not because its a designer dog that I want it. Not at all.. I just saw pictures of this breed on pinterest and automatically fell in love. I am not saying that I am just stuck on buying this breed of dog and only this one. I just wanted to know if anyone knew anything to know more or less the prices and the process of it all. I would also be more than happy to adopt a dog that needs a loving home and I would be more than happy.


I was just curious and interested, but I do love all the replies! it is very informative! keep them coming! thank you
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Stephari, have a look on the SPAFribourg website:

https://www.spafribourg.ch/animaux/i...a8f8d&listid=6

If you can find nothing there that calls to you then you can expand the search by using the tierdatenbank site which covers all of Switzerland.

https://www.tierdatenbank.ch/fr/animaux.html

The first thing to do is make sure you're allowed to have a pet if you rent property here, not all landlords/agencies allow them. If that's okay then you can proceed, but please don't assume it's okay. Check and double check.

Also note that with the SPAFribourg you will not own your pet - that ownership stays with the refuge and you are simply the keeper of the pet for its lifetime. This means that major decisions regarding the pet will often need consultation with the refuge before action can be taken. This may apply to other refuges as well so check this point if needed.
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Some more reading, from the Doodle Rescue Collective, a group in the US who rescue the many poor 'oodle' dogs who are victims of what happens when an unthinking, unaware, irresponsible public goes gaga over a hot new trend:

http://doodlerescue.org/forum/topics...te-doodle-dogs


Yes, these dogs are about as cute as it gets. No question. Gorgeous fluffy bundles of cuteness. We train with a couple that are truly great dogs, by the way. But I have to say: 'because cute' is the wrong reason to get any dog.

No, first one must research each breed (or mix of breeds) you are interested in. Learn about the breed's characteristics, learn about it's needs, both physical and emotional, learn what it's potential owner must be able to provide for the dog.

Think about your own family priorities. Do you have time to walk the dog three or four hours per day? Are you willing to go to puppy, junior, adult classes and beyond? Can you find holiday care where you live?

Think about the dog and your children, if you have any or if you plan on having children at some point. What would happen if there were a conflict between your dog and your child?

Think about your finances; the several thousands that you will pay for the puppy is just a small drop in the bucket over the lifetime of the dog. (Additionally, every dog owner should have several thousands tucked away for emergencies.)

Think about your accomodation - does your landlord allow dogs? Can you live in a flat with an energetic dog, or do you think you should buy a single family home with large garden?

Think about your future - are you going to stay in Switzerland? What would happen if you were transfered elsewhere?

So having thought, does what this breed/mix generally needs match what you can provide? Is this breed/mix truly a good fit for you?

And then understand that while breed characteristics are a good starting point to exclude the types of dogs who do not fit your lifestyle well, every dog is an individual. What happens if your dog does't fit the expected characteristics? Could you roll with the punches? Could you change your life to accomodate the individual's needs?

And if after all that thinking you still believe that this dog is the right one for you, then sit down and sincerely, honestly, look in the mirror and ask yourself if you can truly provide everything your dog will need, physically, mentally, and emotionally, for the next 15+ years, no matter what else goes on in your life.

Then you are ready to begin your search for 'The One'.

I don't want to put you off dog ownership, far from it. My Muttley Crew are the center of my world, and my dearest wish is that everyone could know the joy that a dog brings into one's life. But what time isn't devoted to my own dogs is spent volunteering with a rescue - I've seen too much fallout from people approaching dog ownership not fully prepared, heartbreak that could have been prevented with a little preparation - and a lot more commitment.

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I hope you find the right dog for you, for all the right reasons. And then I wish you and your four footed friend all the happiness in the world.
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Also note that with the SPAFribourg you will not own your pet - that ownership stays with the refuge and you are simply the keeper of the pet for its lifetime. This means that major decisions regarding the pet will often need consultation with the refuge before action can be taken. This may apply to other refuges as well so check this point if needed.
Just a note here:
This clause which Medea rightly points out is common in adoption contracts, is in practice not at all onerous.

The clause is put there to protect the animal. Afterall, these dogs have already been let down by their people, that's why they landed in rescue in the first place. That the rescue retains ownership essentially comes into play in three scenarios:

First, if you are found to be negligent or abusive the rescue retains the right to step in and take the dog away if doing so is needed to protect the dog. Now this does not happen often, hopefully the rescue assessed you as the kind of person who will properly care for and cherish the dog, before the adoption took place.

Be aware that there may be a spay/neuter clause. Not abiding by this clause without medical reason is an example of being in breach of contract. But again, rescues are reasonable. I had such a clause when I adopted Haifish... but we found that he should not undergo elective surgery due to heart problems. So I notified the rescue, they understood without question.

Second, if at anytime you are unable to continue to care for your pet, you must contact the rescue and discuss options. You may not pass the dog on to a third party without the rescue's consent. Good rescues will take the dog back if you find yourself in a situation where you cannot care for your dog, if you propose someone who is willing to take on the dog in such a case most rescues will be happy that a good solution has been found, simply asking that that person go through their assessment.

The third instance is euthanasia. Generally one needs to notify the rescue prior to making that final decision. I have had to do this too many times - but there has never, ever, been any question or push back from the rescue, only heartfelt sympathy and support. When I know the decision is looming, I write the rescue, all have simply told me that they trust my judgement. Of course, every rescue understands that emergencies may arise when for the animal's sake a decision has to be made quickly, with no time to speak to the rescue.

The clause is there, however, because unfortunately there are people who blithely euthanize their pets whenever the animal becomes 'inconvient'. But the goal of any rescue is to have weeded those types of owners out in the assessment, hopefully one of their dogs does not land in irresponsible hands. This clause is simply another measure of protection for the animal.

But aside from those instances, there is in reality very little restriction on your ability to care for your dog.
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

I would add to MC's post about the refuge and any decisions that you should check what would be the case should you decide to move out of the country and want to take your pet with you. Again, consultation would be needed. Not saying they won't agree to the move because they be pleased to allow it. But again something to consider if there's any likelihood of you moving.
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Re: Goldendoodle Breeder in Switzerland?

Interesting discussion with some colleagues who are involved in the 'oodle' world:

Apparently some of the 'oodles' being imported are not Poodle crosses, but rather Puli crosses.

Pulis and Poodles are very different dogs in terms of instinct, character, breed needs. The similarity ends pretty much with the possibility of a fluffy coat when crossed with another dog.

As with any cross, one cannot know which, if any, of either breed's characteristics you might end up with.

But if your 'oodle' is a Puli cross, you could have a very different training path to follow.
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The third instance is euthanasia. Generally one needs to notify the rescue prior to making that final decision. I have had to do this too many times - but there has never, ever, been any question or push back from the rescue, only heartfelt sympathy and support.
I'll second this.

When we had to have our rescue cat put to sleep, it was an emergency decision with no time to contact the rescue centre. I emailed them a few days later, when I could face up to the task, and received a lot of sympathy and support from them. However, it turned out that the former neighbour who we had adopted our cat from, had not informed the rescue that she was giving him away, despite her implicit assurances that this had been done.

There are currently a number of very young dogs on the rescue website who resemble Goldendoodles. They were rescued as a litter, and there are still 3 or 4 of them left. I've been watching them for a while, but the time isn't right as I'm away too much at the moment. I believe they will need several months of stability before you could consider having a holiday without them at that age. But please take a look and consider that you will have a better idea of their personality now, than if you adopted a puppy.
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