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Old 22.05.2018, 15:27
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Like flying is emotionally ok for animals. Geee.
I think there are some animals that are quite ok with flying...
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Old 22.05.2018, 15:32
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

Yes, MusicChick, I've often wondered about the emotional strain on animals, of flying. This, whether they are having to provide emotional support to a nervous human, or whether they are trained service animals, or whether they are pets accompanying their owners who are going on holiday or relocating.

Treverus, yes, those animals who fly naturally, of course.

I just wonder whether all that noise, closeness, unpredictable temperature, and - depending on the situation - having to stay in a box or cage for a long time, perhaps in the hold, or if in the cabin having to be with so many people (and their smells and noises) in such a tight space, where everyone's systems for eating, drinking, walking and toilet are all in somewhat unusual… does this really not bother the animals? Is it fair to subject them to it?
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Old 22.05.2018, 15:36
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I think there are some animals that are quite ok with flying...
Yeah, but they got wings and probably not fear hights. (I am not talkin' about buckling down an ESA peacock or duck in a plane seat)

This quest for complicated emotional comfort, on account of other beings...ugghh.
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Old 22.05.2018, 16:00
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Yeah, but they got wings and probably not fear hights. (I am not talkin' about buckling down an ESA peacock or duck in a plane seat)

This quest for complicated emotional comfort, on account of other beings...ugghh.
you can solve it quite easily by bringing an ESA for your ESA.
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Old 22.05.2018, 16:24
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you can solve it quite easily by bringing an ESA for your ESA.
For free? The fad will not last the min people get charged.

How about comfort food? Will we start changing the legislature for those who need comfort food for their emotional wellbeing? I need Bisquik and Marmite. Udon noodles, too.
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Old 22.05.2018, 16:30
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you can solve it quite easily by bringing an ESA for your ESA.
Could I please have a human along with me, as an ESA?
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Old 22.05.2018, 17:05
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Could I please have a human along with me, as an ESA?
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animals to be seated on lap must be smaller than a 2-year old child
doesn't make sense. babies fly very cheap anyway.
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Old 22.05.2018, 17:11
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

How can you strap a peacock to your lap, anyway. Duck?

Ok ok. Let's be gratious for our life w/o needing ESA.
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Old 29.05.2018, 18:15
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

This was almost the first mile high dog birth.

"A US service dog unexpectedly gave birth to eight puppies in the middle of the Tampa International Airport, just before her owners boarded their flight.

Eleanor 'Ellie' Rigby, a two-year-old yellow Labrador who serves as a guide dog, delivered the pups with the help of Tampa Fire Rescue's medical team.

Her owners knew she was pregnant, but did not realise how close she was to going into labour.

Ellie and father Nugget are now parents to seven males and one female pup."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44292506
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Old 29.05.2018, 18:42
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"A US service dog unexpectedly gave birth to eight puppies in the middle of the Tampa International Airport, just before her owners boarded their flight.
I wish the article had said what sort of service dog this was. But that they used the term service dog it leads me to guess that this was an officially recognised dog, not an ESA.

So...

I thought that official service dogs were generally spayed/neutered?

In a guide dog program, breeding dogs are generally not used as active service dogs.

Can anyone here with experience with an official organisation comment?
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Old 29.05.2018, 18:57
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I wish the article had said what sort of service dog this was. But that they used the term service dog it leads me to guess that this was an officially recognised dog, not an ESA.

So...

I thought that official service dogs were generally spayed/neutered?

In a guide dog program, breeding dogs are generally not used as active service dogs.

Can anyone here with experience with an official organisation comment?
It does actually, it's the second line of my quote. She's a guide dog.
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Old 29.05.2018, 21:34
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It does actually, it's the second line of my quote. She's a guide dog.
I was wondering under which organisation the dog is registered, as there are several guide dogs organisations in the US.

I'm interested in learning more about spay/neuter policies for working dogs among the various organisations.

(The dog might have been part of a breeding program, rather than an active working dog. )

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Old 29.05.2018, 21:52
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

My theory is that she wasn't a registered service dog but an emotional support animal. I think the owner claimed service dog to avoid the animal going in the hold of the plane. A friend of mine trains service dogs and they are always spayed or neutered.
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Old 29.05.2018, 22:08
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A friend of mine trains service dogs and they are always spayed or neutered.
Thanks, that is what I had thought to be the case.



ETA:

Googling around for other reports of this story, and assuming any of them are based on facts:

It seems the dog is not a guide dog (the usual term for dogs who lead their blind owners) but rather one who is used to help her owner who suffers from 'pain and mobility issues'.

The owner said that the pregnant dog is still in training.

The sire of the pups is another service dog owned by the same family.

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So much of this does not fit into what I know of the programs run by recognized guide, service and assistance dog programs. As many of the reports seem to include a fair share of sloppy journalism, I'll let it go at that.

Except to say:

I hope this does not turn out to be a case of mis-use of the service dog allowance.

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Old 09.06.2018, 19:17
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

Another article on the vital work these animals do for people who really need them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/disability-44336637
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Another story highlighting the valuable work emotional support dogs do:

Hattie, a 2 year old labrador, was 'sworn in' last week as the Cook County (Chicago) State's Attorney's office first emotional support dog. She will support and comfort children and developmentally disabled victims of abuse as they are interviewed by court officials and give testimony in court.

Hattie was trained in part by prison inmates, part of a rehabilitation program, again showing the many ways these dogs can contribute to bettering society.

https://www.kdrv.com/content/national/564288332.html
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Hattie was trained in part by prison inmates, part of a rehabilitation program, again showing the many ways these dogs can contribute to bettering society.
Yes. And also shows one of the many ways that prison inmates, and those prison officials and volunteers who make the effort to design, fund and implement rehabilitations programs, can contribute to bettering society.
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Wonderful. Yes many animals have a massive influence on supporting people, both the blind, epileptics, and also emotionally. I visit a local OAP care home with Emma, and they all love seeing her and petting her- and she is 100% sure.

But very different to the right of imposing a dog or other animals on passengers on long flights in a crowded plane. We are very restricted at the moment, as Emma (will be 14 in 2 days time) whom we have adopted 1 year ago- cannot be left in kennels. We therefore limit our travel to where we can drive with her with us at all times. Can't leave her at our flat in UK (she is not allowed there are all by Owners' rule- but they have agreed to close blind eye just for her as we only visit weeks at a time)- nor in any Hôtel room. Only place we can leave her is the car- where is is quite happy for about 2 hours max. Difficult- but we have taken that responsibility- and it is ours only. We only stay in Hôtels that allow dogs- same in restaurants. Easy in CH, F, I - but quite difficult in UK.
So- NO flights, for sure.
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Old 03.11.2019, 23:12
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

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I understand (and am sympathetic to) your concerns, but at present, in the US (where most of the comments on this thread are referencing - I have no idea what the law is in the UK or CH) under the Air Carrier Access Act a person's right to travel with a needed service or emotional support animal is protected. Service animal protections are stronger, by the way.

You can read about the ACAA here, from the US Dept of Transportation website:
https://www.transportation.gov/indiv...upport-animals

More in this discussion around the ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act, here: See VI for a brief comment on allergies/other passenger's response to animals:
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet

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That's just a superficial skim of the topic wrt the ACAA and the ADA. If you search you will find lots of discussion on the balancing of rights between two protected groups.

If one feels strongly about this issue, there are likely advocacy groups working on change/compromise - one should consider getting involved.

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No excuse for irresponsible idiots taking the proverbial, though.
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Re: Emotional Support Animals

By the way, dog-lovers, there's some happy "emotional support" for you over on the "Let's have a ... Dance" thread. Hope it makes you smile.
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