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Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

IMPORTANT INFORMATION, May 31, 2018

As confirmed by VETA, Zurich has voted to abolish the dog training regulations for dogs belonging to breed type I. At this point I do not know when this will be implemented. I suspect January 1, 2019.

What does this mean for you and your dog?

1) If you are getting a puppy right now, you need to visit puppy class before he turns 16 weeks.
2) If your dog is younger than 18 months, and landed in Switzerland before December 1, 2017, you need to complete the “Junghundekurs”.
3) If your dog is older than 18 months, and landed in Switzerland before February 1, 2018, you need to complete the “Erziehungskurs”.

Once I know more I will post an update.
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Re: Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

Although this has been debated for some time in the ZH parliament, I was hoping it would go the other way. In my eyes a step backwards.

Even after the mandate is abolished, I would encourage all dog owners, of all breeds and sizes, to get involved or continue with training courses, especially those targeting the key development stages designed to start your dog off right like Welpenförderung and Junghund..

Our dogs benefit from formal training, especially where they promote the development of social competency. More importantly, we owners and society at large greatly benefit.

Thanks for the heads-up, Cherrytree.
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Re: Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

Well, the story might not yet be over, according to this article from the Landbote:

https://www.landbote.ch/ueberregiona...story/20288562

62 members of the ZH parliament have called for a referendum on the the mandatory course. So the question may be tossed over to ZH voters.

Do any of you in ZH (CherryTree?) know more about this latest development?
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Old 14.06.2018, 16:32
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Well, the story might not yet be over, according to this article from the Landbote:

https://www.landbote.ch/ueberregiona...story/20288562

62 members of the ZH parliament have called for a referendum on the the mandatory course. So the question may be tossed over to ZH voters.

Do any of you in ZH (CherryTree?) know more about this latest development?
Do you know what the thinking behind abolishing it in the first place is? I can't think of anything apart from perhaps the cost.

Maybe you have to be a dog owner to understand how important it is to have a well behaved pooch, at least with a toolbox of basic commands but, then again, people who don't own dogs also appreciate well behaved dogs around them.

Just seems to be one of those instances of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". A recognised level of training to which all dogs should adhere can only be a win-win, right?
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Do you know what the thinking behind abolishing it in the first place is? I can't think of anything apart from perhaps the cost.
It was mandatory by federal law. This changed. Now the cantons are free to make the courses non-mandatory.

One of the argument (to ablish the federal law) was that it could not be enforced and controlled if dog owners would do the courses. In a country, where you need a fishing license, have to do an annual shooting course as member of the military, need a vignette to drive car on the autobahn, cars are inspected regularly, you need to to basic motorcycle training, two extras courses as a novice driver, and need liability insurance which covers damages up to one million if you fly a drone of more than 500 grams, need a license to import salt in bulk, and have to register 8 days beforehand in case a EU persons wishes to offer certain services, and dogs must be registered at the commune and dog tax to be paid, can collect tax on behalf of churches, in such a country, this argument is total bollocks.
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Do you know what the thinking behind abolishing it in the first place is? I can't think of anything apart from perhaps the cost.
The words baby and bathwater spring to mind.

The bits and bobs I've read often referrenced lack of change in the bite statistics which, from what I have read, seems to be brought up as an aside rather than a reason, and IMO may be a bit of a straw man. The changes that brought about the List 1 courses also included mandatory reporting - so we were bound to have a period where total bites increased simply due to the new reporting regs. The effect training would have on statistics should then lag quite a bit behind...

But my 2p/5Rp:

The pendulum is swinging, as pendula are wont to do. Oberglatt was 13 years ago. Memories fade, so the political and social urgency wanes. And when there isn't the same level of political urgency, suddenly you get folks chafing at regulation.

But IMO despite the bite statistics the fact that we have not had another tragedy like Oberglatt is exactly why we need the courses to continue. And from a dog welfare (as opposed to mere dog control) standpoint, I see a great deal of value in the education these courses provide.

I'll go one further - I'd like to see everyone take development stage/age appropriate courses, not just owners of dogs over 15kg/45cm. And I'd like to see compliance better addressed. Maybe other aspects need tweaking as well. But why toss out the baby when the bathwater could easily be tweaked?

The great value these courses bring is, IMO, that an informed owner is key to creating a more harmonious society, and key to a better life for our four footed friends.


But I'm not in ZH, so take my outsider's musings as nothing other than that.



ETA:

One improvement that I see tied to education, be it the now abolished federal SKN or cantonal courses: There are many fewer 'Swiss' dogs given up by their owners these days. Sure, it really can't be directly measured, but I credit a better understanding of the level of committment needed from dog owners to these cantonal and federally mandated courses.

A good Hundeschule can give an owner who is struggling, who might previously have given up his or her dog, a resource to turn to to help avoid that drastic step. I have seen many people come to class as a desperate last step - and the support the owner finds there from both the trainer and from other class members has helped so many see that their problems are not insurmountable, that they can indeed find a way to keep their dog. The mandatory courses were an 'in' to the whole HUndeschule world, the way that many people found a helpful community.

Let's see what the decade post-abolition brings...

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The great value these courses bring is, IMO, that an informed owner is key to creating a more harmonious society, and key to a better life for our four footed friends.
Yes! And for the two-footed, who come into contact with the four-footed owned by others.
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Well, the story might not yet be over, according to this article from the Landbote:

https://www.landbote.ch/ueberregiona...story/20288562

62 members of the ZH parliament have called for a referendum on the the mandatory course. So the question may be tossed over to ZH voters.

Do any of you in ZH (CherryTree?) know more about this latest development?
So far, no further information has been given to the approved dog trainers. I will let you know as soon as I receive more details.
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Re: Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

Just got the news that it will not be revoked (yet, not soon) as 62 "Kantonsräte" took a referendum.
That means we all will have to go and vote about it some day.

You can all start lobbying - for and againts of course - now.
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Re: Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

Looks like the vote turned against the revision with a ca. 69% 'No' vote, meaning that the mandatory courses for canton ZH remain.

Very happy with this result. The ZH courses go a long way to building the foundation dogs, and more importantly their owners, need to live happily in today's crowded human world.

According to the Tagi article linked below, the Regierungsrat wants to extend mandatory courses to all dogs in the canton, not just those over 45cm/15kg as is the current situation. The article states that 6 lessons, 2 theory for first time owners, has been proposed, rather than the current 20 for List 1 dogs. But AFAIK this is not yet settled. Dog owners in ZH should keep an eye on developments.

(CherryTree, do you have further info?)

My own 5Rp: I'd like to see mandatory courses for all dog owners a federal requirement again - something more in-depth than the old SKN. Ideally I'd like to see a requirement of X classes per year, as we dog owners need to keep abreast of new ideas and issues. But that's just me...

For now I am pleased that the majority of ZH voters have seen the value in the cantonally mandated courses.


https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/19893342



ETA: Maybe we need to revise the thread title?
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Re: Canton Zurich to revoke mandatory dog training

As I've been spending more time in the forests and encountering numerous pet owners, I came to realize how much I appreciated the idea of mandatory training for their dogs. It's not a guarantee of any type, but it's far better to me than the alternative.

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(CherryTree, do you have further info?)



https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/19893342



ETA: Maybe we need to revise the thread title?
Thanks, meloncollie!

So far no instructions from VETA ZH. I will keep you posted. Previous rules apply: https://hilsbos.ch/about/mandatory-classes/
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