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Dog food - review of Babarf

Hi there,

Our new dog (7 months old) arrives in a couple of weeks and we are exploring food options for her. We've been reading a lot about the "Barf" diet and found this company that delivers to Lausanne - Babarf (http://www.babarf.ch/en/)

Has anyone used them? Would you recommend them (or any others)?

Also, this website strongly advises against giving any dry food - this seems a bit strange?

Many thanks!
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

The BARF diet is somewhat controversial, some swear by it, some swear at it.

Before you embark on a BARF diet, especially with a dog who is still growing and developing, please speak to your vet, get his or her opinion as to appropriateness for your individual dog at this developmental stage. At your dog's age getting the nutritional balance right is critical. (It's important at every age, of course.)

One thing is certain - if you go BARF you must educate yourself in canine nutrition to a significant degree. The cases I have seen where it goes pear shaped are where the owner does not have a sufficient scientific understanding of the nutritional issues involved. Some of my more 'airy fairy' acquaintances stop their education at the 'oh, natural = good' and don't bother to learn all that is required.

The reason some vets are not too keen is the potential for injury due to inappropriate supervision when eating bones. Again, you need to research your part in this diet.

I am neutral on the subject of BARF. It is not appropriate for my dogs, mostly for behavioural rather the nutritional reasons, as I seem to always have a resource guarder among my crew. Coveting thy fellow pack member's meaty bone could spark WWIII here.

But I know owners who feed BARF successfully.

I know many who feed home cooked successfully.

And of course I know many who feed high quality commercial successfully.

Your choice, but do make sure you chose from an informed standpoint.


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Now, I do not know the company you linked so please take this as a general comment about commercial BARF, not specific to this provider:

With commercial BARF, make sure you understand where the animal parts come from, and what the quality, and quality control, is.

(This of course goes for all commercial foods as well raw, kibble, or canned.)

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Congrats on the new pup, wishing you much happiness together.
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

People... you do know what "Barf," as in "to barf" means?
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Tis an unfortunate acronym indeed.

So unfortunate that I've sometimes wondered if deliberate.



(Bones And Raw Food, for the uninitiated.)
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

I did look at BARF for my dog, however it's waaaayyyy too much work.

I use kibble from Orijen and/or Acana (alternate fish/meat based each meal) and supplement it with a spoon of cheap chicken, mincemeat, a boiled egg etc etc when possible.

The kibble is great quality, and seems to be rated very highly, and has the right nutrition already 'built in', like 20% veg or whatever.

https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...ws/dry/5-star/
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

We raw feed our guy, its pretty easy and not any more expensive than feeding him kibble. Be careful starting out, week 1 of most raw diets needs to be simple white meat until your puppies stomach pH is strong enough to digest bone..after that, you need to get a decent balance of bone, liver, kidney and meat/offal. We source most of our meat and bone from local butchers, with occasional trips to France for whole rabbit/duck/whatever. His coat is fabulous and its amazing to see the how clean his teeth are, just from eating things like chicken necks etc...Many vets don't like the idea as I guess they don't trust you, or trust Royal Canin/Purina/whoever more. If you look at the ingredients of most dry pet food, its 70% filler at least, which, not to be too indelicate about, your dog will shit out. Poo size become significantly reduced on raw, and if you are doing it correctly, they become crumbly rather than slushy, and turn a nice white after a day or so, making them easy to spot in the garden (extra bonus preventing you from running over them with the lawn mower).
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

Thank you, All!

Our pup is a rescue and her foster mum currently has her on a motley but seemingly wholesome mix of butcher-sourced raw food, veggies, lentils AND kibble. I'd like to streamline the meal-content without losing any nutritional value.

To Meloncollie's point - we will definitely be checking with our vet before opting for any one routine, but as Magnamax points out, the benefits of raw food seem plenty (not least on the poo front ), and our pup seems to have enjoyed it so far. Fortunately, we have only one pooch, so the risks of strife are few!

That being said, its good to also know where to source the food, once we opt for a particularly meal combo, hence the question about the company Babarf. To that end, thank you Magnamax and Fish Paste for your recommendations!
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Tis an unfortunate acronym indeed.

So unfortunate that I've sometimes wondered if deliberate.



(Bones And Raw Food, for the uninitiated.)

Good job they called it "Bebarf" instead of "Rebarf"
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

I have always used dry food and that seemed to work best for our dogs. It was also a question of how a pet sitter would manage and a kennel.

The only home cooked items I have ever added were chicken soup when a dog was ill or after an operation and solid food was not an option. I have also cooked meatballs with lean ground beef and white chicken meat to hide medication. Pills seem to be quite visible in dry food.

I think the choice of what to feed is a personal one. Our vet told us that you must give vitamin supplements if you opt for raw food.
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

Wow, so even dogs have fad diets too?
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

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Hi there,

Our new dog (7 months old) arrives in a couple of weeks and we are exploring food options for her. We've been reading a lot about the "Barf" diet and found this company that delivers to Lausanne - Babarf (http://www.babarf.ch/en/)

Has anyone used them? Would you recommend them (or any others)?

Also, this website strongly advises against giving any dry food - this seems a bit strange?

Many thanks!
Kamya
What bothers me, is that there is no description of the ingredients whatsoever, therefore I would never order with them.

Nutrition has not only an impact on your buddy's physical health, but also on the mental one.

Check-out this company, who I believe sells their products through "Fressnapf"
http://en.naturadog.ch/raw-dog-food/
and you can supplement with this: ViMin
To this you can add cooked, peeled potatoes, pasta, rice, oats, barley flakes, etc.

You can also go to a (organic) farmer/butcher near by and ask for their animals hearts or if they produce dog food.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf - http://www.babarf.ch/en/

I'll second CherryTree's recommendation of ViMin; I've used it whenever one of mine had to switch to home cooked.

Another supplement to research is Canina's 'Barfers Best'*, available at Meiko and most other Swiss pet store chains. Again, as I do not feed BARF I have not used it, but some colleagues who feed raw have chosen this as their balance supplement.


Cherry Tree brings up a good point - you need to know exactly what the ingredients are in a commercial BARF product. Cr*p food is cr*p food, be it raw, home cooked, canned or kibble. And good food is good food, in all forms. It is a mistake to make a blanket assumption that one food category is automatically better than another, rather one needs to look at the individual food in question. The type and quality of ingredients, and quality control of the process ,is what makes a good diet.


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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf

I feed BARF to my dogs (but I feed Orijin/Acana when travelling or very short on time). I either make up my own from butcher meat or buy a brand called PetSoul in Meiko (which is a wonderful shop!).

If anyone is interested, I am organising the 2nd Natural Dog Seminar (english language) in Montreux on Saturday September 15th 2018, topics include BARF and fresh food for dogs (sessions for beginners and experienced), herbs, homeopathy & essential oils for dogs and hydro/osteo/bioresonance therapies. I attach the website link (I hope thats ok). All profit goes to Oasis des Veterans. https://www.happydogsaigle.com/natural-dog-seminar.html

Lastly, I run a boarding facility and I'm delighted to facilitate fresh raw or cooked food (or kibble of course!), I installed a "food centre" in my dog house specifically and currently 3 of my boarders are filling its' shelves!
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf

Better go to your local (organic) farmer/butcher near by and ask for their animals hearts or if they produce dog food - this is the best advice I have ever received. Natural products are always better for your dog, because you never know what is in the processed food from barf.
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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf

We have 2 dogs, one has a grain allergy that may be better thought of as a refined or simple carbohydrate allergy. He almost died a few months after we got him, seeing a puppy pooping blood is a very sad thing...



The vet insisted we keep feeding him various 'hydrolyzed' processed foods, he just kept getting worse. After a second, very expensive, trip to the vet where they basically rescued him from the brink we decided to try a very simple raw diet. He recovered within a week, it was amazing, and has been healthy ever since.



In an effort to continue introducing diversity into his diet we keep researching and trying different foods. We found this brand of dehydrated raw food here in Canada https://www.thehonestkitchen.com/dog-food. Just add water, wait 3 minutes and serve.



We're planning to relocate to Switzerland next year. Does anyone know of a similar dehydrated raw sourced food there?
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Does anyone know of a similar dehydrated raw sourced food there?
You might look at PetSoul, mentioned by IrishGirl above, for instance:
https://www.meiko.ch/petsoul-trocken...e-de-6005.html

Not quite the same ingredients as your current product, but a similar concept.

(I've never tried it, though. It just caught my eye as I browse Meiko's selection.)
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Thanks!



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Re: Dog food - review of Babarf

I just noticed that you can find Honest Kitchen sellers on Amazon Germany that will deliver to Switzerland.

I'm always a tad hesitant to order food products, including dog foods, from third party sellers, but perhaps worth investigating - even if only to buy you time while you search for an alternative in Switzerland.
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