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Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

As some of you know, we adopted an older dog last year (a very sad and long story ...). She is 13 and has a Danish EU passport, with vaccs and stamps from Danish, Swiss and French vets.

Due to concerns about travelling to and from UK with pets, we would like to transfer her Danish EU passport for a Swiss one- has anyone done that? Is it possible? Because her sibbling was euthanazed before we adopted her (for no other reason that the owners had 'outgrown' them )... she is extremely anxious if she is not with us all the time- so we have vouched to never travel abroad unless she can come with us in the car - and we go to UK about 4 times a year.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

I would imagine if you went to a Swiss vet they would issue you with a new one or make you start again and then issue one.

We used Mr Allman and his wife in Neuchatel when Scud was alive - they were fantastic so I am sure if you called them they would advise you what to do.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

Thanks- we normally use a French vet, as it is much closer (and cheaper ) - but will go and ask the local Vet Practice and ask. Just wondered if anyone had gone through the process already. Before there was no point, as the EU passport from any EU country was valid for all EU and Switzerland. But with Brexit looming thinking it might be better to have Swiss one.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

Perhaps I am missing something, but what would you gain from a Swiss Pet Passport?

Currently travel regs - UK or EU - are based on where the dog is resident and/or traveling from, not what country issued the passport.

Have post Brexit changes been announced? Has a special CH/UK deal on pet travel been made?

(We no longer travel outside Switzerland, so I haven't been paying much attention...)

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From the Swiss side AMICUS needs to be able to trace the dog from birth (or adoption if birth details are unknown) to death. If you decide to transfer the passport do check that all details are up to date on the database.

And were it me, being paranoid as I am, I'd always keep the original passport along with any new passports, as the stamped vax records are the official proof of compliance.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

My dogs come from Portugal, by plane and completely legally. But nobody bothered to check and stamp their passports at customs, and our vet suggested we switch to Swiss passports for them. Indeed we can’t prove we entered legally with them if we keep the European passport.

So yes, you can do it and it’s a pretty straightforward process. But you’ll have to pay for the passport.
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Old 06.01.2019, 20:39
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

Our vet just changed our cat’s Belgian pet passport for a Swiss one when we moved here but I agree with Meloncollie, I can’t see what difference it will make.

We had a really bad experience with Allman in Neuchâtel and would never go back to him.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

Switzerland has signed a Deal with the UK - the rest of the EU has not.

And yes, I would definitely keep the old one and all the vaccs and registration with the new one, for sure. Of course the passport and Amicus reg have been put in our names since the adoption.

We always travel to UK by car and Channel Tunnel- so have to visit the pre-crossing Pet Check Office before crossing, and EU passports may become an issue. As for anything to do with Brexit- no-one knows at all just trying to hedge our bets - somehow- as we can't leave Emma behind.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

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My dogs come from Portugal, by plane and completely legally. But nobody bothered to check and stamp their passports at customs,...
Actually, not legally.... If you had a dog that you were importing you were legally bound to stop at customs and declare your dog, have the vaccinations checked, and pay the necessary import charges. The fact that you didn't and that you weren't stopped doesn't make it legal.

I refer you to this link on the Swiss customs website:

https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...c-animals.html

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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

We were offered the possibility of changing our eldest’s German passport for a Swiss but did not see any advantages to do so at the time, so it is possible.

As you will be driving through “Europe”, France to get to the tunnel do you need the “titre test” for rabies? Our two have had theirs done and will be eligible to travel if it is required from Brexit day. You need the 3 months post test as well as the correct reading to be eligible. The test cost €108 for each of ours here in France, plus the vet visit.

We are beginning to wonder whether we need to change the little ones UK passport to a French one
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Old 07.01.2019, 09:02
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

From my admittedly superficial browse through the DEFRA site, it seems that EU passports will likely still be good for entry into the UK, but with a no-deal Brexit UK passports may no longer be acceptable in the EU:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-trav...e-after-brexit

As of now it seems unknown if the UK will be treated as a listed third country or as an unlisted country.

From that document, it looks as if Emma is good to go to the UK with her current passport. But as above, I am paranoid when it comes to legalities around my dogs and would probably take the extra steps simply because there is so much uncertainty at the moment.

Browsing through the BLV site, I see no mention of Brexit's effect on animal movement - that's a bit maddening. You might want to contact the BLV for an official response as to what effect, independent of passport type, a stay in the UK (as a listed third or unlisted country) might have on re-entry to Switzerland.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

Thanks for the link MC, it has been updated since I last looked and has the following link which is of interest.

It suggests that the blood test will only be required in the event of a no deal and the EU deeming the UK to be an “unlisted” third country. We may have jumped the gun on that one but as we are planning a trip late April, I prefer to be sure. I will hold off on the Passport for the moment as that will be relatively easy to change.


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal
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From my admittedly superficial browse through the DEFRA site, it seems that EU passports will likely still be good for entry into the UK, but with a no-deal Brexit UK passports may no longer be acceptable in the EU:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-trav...e-after-brexit

As of now it seems unknown if the UK will be treated as a listed third country or as an unlisted country.

From that document, it looks as if Emma is good to go to the UK with her current passport. But as above, I am paranoid when it comes to legalities around my dogs and would probably take the extra steps simply because there is so much uncertainty at the moment.

Browsing through the BLV site, I see no mention of Brexit's effect on animal movement - that's a bit maddening. You might want to contact the BLV for an official response as to what effect, independent of passport type, a stay in the UK (as a listed third or unlisted country) might have on re-entry to Switzerland.
If I get the chance I will ask the UK ambassador at the roadshow event in Bern on Thursday evening.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

We adopted our kittens from Spain last year and the Swiss vet has added information to the EU passport without ever mentioning the need to change it to a Swiss one. We had considered boarding them in Switzerland when we needed to go home to the US for a three week trip, and the boarder also accepted the EU passport.

Then again...one doesn't really travel with kitties like dogs so perhaps that's why the vet didn't suggest changing it.
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We adopted our kittens from Spain last year and the Swiss vet has added information to the EU passport without ever mentioning the need to change it to a Swiss one. We had considered boarding them in Switzerland when we needed to go home to the US for a three week trip, and the boarder also accepted the EU passport.

Then again...one doesn't really travel with kitties like dogs so perhaps that's why the vet didn't suggest changing it.
EU passports are perfectly acceptable, now and going forward, between CH and the EU. If you are traveling anywhere but the UK nothing changes.

Questions only arise wrt to travel to/from the UK, as post Brexit there is uncertainty as to how agreements on animal movement will play out.

I've kept my dogs on their original passports, be they from CH or from various EU states, for simplicity of record keeping. But then, Hooligan (and various Meloncollies past) cannot/could not leave Switzerland so travel is for us a moot point.

But if there is one thing I have learned in decades of living with dogs in a globally mobile world... never say never. Will be keeping an eye on developments as 19 March looms.
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Re: Anyone changed a pet EU passport for a Swiss one?

The current situation has so many uncertainties- that is the problem. We still have no idea if a deal will be agreed, or if we will be hurled into the chaos of No Deal- and no idea what the implications are on a 10000 of fronts. But Switzerland has agreed a Treaty with the UK- so will problably get the passort changed to Swiss one, and keep old ones. Rabies and all vacs up to date- but will check about the 3 months result thing- surely if rabies vacs are up to date, there is no need- this is oly for dogs with first rabies vac, no?

Thanks all. Won't be travelling until April- so hopefully things will be a bit clearer by then (!?! ) - the expense of having a Swiss passport set up will be worth it, just in case.
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But Switzerland has agreed a Treaty with the UK- so will problably get the passort changed to Swiss one, and keep old ones.
Link to the text of said treaty?

There is one for humans
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...aq-brexit.html
and one for airplanes
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...en/brexit.html
but I did not find one about animals/pets.

Pets would be covered in an agriculture trade agreement. AFAIk there is no CH/Post-Brexit one yet.

Here the current Swiss legislation regarding pets:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...652/index.html
It is an ordinance which can be easily changed by the federal council. But the list of countries is based on Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 577/2013 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...R0577-20160901
Depending on the leeway Switzerland has to change the list on its own, w/o risking to lose the EU-pet travel privileges, UK might be a third party country even with a CH/Post-Brexit agriculture agreement.

If there is no UK/EU agreement and the UK is seen as a third party country by the EU you might only return your pet to Switzerland by direct flight to Geneva, Basel, or Zurich!

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...eimtieren.html
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Thanks- as said, so much cr*ppy uncertainty - we never fly but always drive to and from UK. No issue here at our Swiss border, for sure - but only with UK/Fr border.
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If there is no UK/EU agreement and the UK is seen as a third party country by the EU you might only return your pet to Switzerland by direct flight to Geneva, Basel, or Zurich!

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...eimtieren.html
Or take a ferry to Northern Ireland, cross into southern Ireland and then a ferry from Southern Ireland to France.
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hmmmm would rather prefer a more direct route With the dog, I would never take a ferry as they have to stay in the car for the duration- and if there was a storm, high winds, etc- it would be a nightmare. The Shuttle is brilliant with dogs.

Let's see how it goes- we will get Swiss passport to go with old EU Danish one - and hope for the best. Otherwise we will have to ask friends to come a Emmasit - but it has to be a very special kind of person who will accept that now she no longer as her son's company - she will not sleep on her own . When she returned here after her owers had had her son euthanazed- she cried and howled for 3 nights - and I had to sleep on settee. Then gave in - and that is that. Bless her cotton socks.

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If I get the chance I will ask the UK ambassador at the roadshow event in Bern on Thursday evening.
Very kind, thanks. But I really do not know what those roadshow events can do at the moment - as we still have no idea what will happen, and neither has the UK Government or the 'so-called' opposition. Not a clue - nobody has a flipping clue- about anything but thanks.
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