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Yet another dog dies in a hot car

Why oh why does this still keep happening?

Another dog has died after being left in a car, this time in Buochs NW. Shame on his owners.

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentral...nuten-15023700

It was only 21 degrees outside - but even at that temperature an auto left in the sun quickly becomes an oven.

Now imagine what could happen this coming week with temps in the high 30s predicted.

The Suzy Utzinger Foundation warns that even temps as low as 15 can become dangerously hot in a car sitting in the sun. See the chart given in the article detailing how quickly temps can rise at each outside temperature.

As the Suzy Utzinger spokespersons says - too many owners underestimate how strong the sun can be.

This shouldn't keep happening.

Poor dog - what a horrific, painful and frickin' senseless death.

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If you see a dog left in a car, please take action. First step: call the police. See this thread for more info on what you should do:
https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...dogs-cars.html
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Assholes. Poor pup.
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

So sad is it legal to break a window in CH to save a dog (or forgotten child for that matter...)? I never had to in the US but I was reassured to know it was an option after calling the police since the heat can work quickly.
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So sad is it legal to break a window in CH to save a dog (or forgotten child for that matter...)? I never had to in the US but I was reassured to know it was an option after calling the police since the heat can work quickly.
Committing the sin of quoting myself, from another thread, this case study from the Tier Im Recht Foundation's guide to animal welfare law, Tier Im Recht Transparent, is perhaps one of the clearest explanations of the various legal issues at play:

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Thumbing through 'Tier Im Recht Transparent' - a book chock full of interesting information rendered almost useless by it's lack of an index - I found the following: (Paraphrasing, using my less than fluent German, chapter 15.1.4)

'Herr K noticed that a dog was left in an auto, parked in the hot sun, in a shopping center parking lot. All the windows were closed, the dog was in distress. Herr K believed that the dog would not survive. He broke the car window, freed the dog, gave him water, and brought him into the shade, where after a while the dog recovered.

The car owner demanded that Herr K pay for the damage to his window. Is this correct?

The TIR answer:

Although there is no obligation to rescue an animal in an emergency, one is allowed to, and if one can one should. But breaking into personal property is only allowed in a true life-treatening emergency, and only if the emergency cannot be dealt with in any other way. Herr K should have first tried to find the owner, say via the loudspeaker at the shopping mall. If that was not possible then he should have called the police or the fire department - who could have used the proper tools to free the dog.

However, if there is an acute life-threatening danger one may take action. Based on the dog's poor condition, Herr K believed that the dog was in immediate and mortal danger, and he could not waste time looking for the owner or wait for the police. In this case, Herr K is not liable for the damage to the auto that was necessary in order to save the dog's life.

It seems to hang on the question of how acute the emergency is. In a clear cut, time-critical emergency, the owner of the car must pay for the damage to his window done in a effort to save the dog. However, if the situation was really not critical and Herr K failed to try other steps first, then Herr K could be made to pay for the damage.

TIR recommends that one enlist witnesses before breaking into someone's car. ( )

And by the way... depending on the circumstances, the owner of the car could be charged with Tierquälerei (animal abuse) for putting the dog in a life threatening situation.'

More from TIR (German):
https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/news/...im-auto-zurck/

https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht...d-zu-befreien/
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

Tragic and senseless.

Fully support taking action if we notice such situations. A small caveat, that some cars, notably Teslas, have a dog mode that keeps the Air Conditioning on while a dog is left inside and displays a bold message to that effect on the big screen inside informing any concerned passerby.
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

It's not just parked cars, I heard of a family who last week drove from Ticino to ZH with their dog. The car didn't have aircon. The dog passed out and by the time they got it to a vet it had died.
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

Thanks for the answer, meloncollie. In summary then I should first call the police and only attempt breaking in if dog or child is truly in a bad state (passers by or phone video as evidence of the physical state).

I was trapped in a hot car once. I had fallen asleep in the backseat and my family (big family) forgot me and my dog back there. I wouldn’t have woken up, I would have died, but my dog started clawing at me and whining. I was panicked and very unwell and attempted to get out but the car security had a feature where once locked, it couldn’t be opened from the inside. Hopefully this has been changed in more current cars. It did however set off the car alarm. Since my family had immediately split up and no one had cell phones, my mom had distributed the sets of keys saying if anyone was in trouble or lost they should get by the car and set the alarm off. Thankfully because of this she had stayed near enough to hear the car alarms and came running to let me and the dog out. Horrible feeling being that hot. I was still just fine without medical attention (as was the dog) but can’t imagine having been left longer, or without the dog who woke me...
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Police number to contact in case you find a dog entrapped:

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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

It beggars belief really!! All the media (social and other) and leaflets and what not are warning about this, yet dog owners still do it.

If our dog is with me in the car and I NEED TO shop ( tho' this is very rare). I ONLY do so in shops with an underground car park,.

OH.....and small kidlets get left in cars too....because mum quickly wants to go in a shop, Dad needs a ciggie right now.....


But my other bugbear is...and this is just as bad.....owners that walk their dogs around midday now!!

For both offenders, I am all for making them walk barefoot over asphalt in that heat and then shut them in a car, standing in the full sun!!
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Thanks for the answer, meloncollie. In summary then I should first call the police and only attempt breaking in if dog or child is truly in a bad state (passers by or phone video as evidence of the physical state).

I was trapped in a hot car once. I had fallen asleep in the backseat and my family (big family) forgot me and my dog back there. I wouldn’t have woken up, I would have died, but my dog started clawing at me and whining. I was panicked and very unwell and attempted to get out but the car security had a feature where once locked, it couldn’t be opened from the inside. Hopefully this has been changed in more current cars. It did however set off the car alarm. Since my family had immediately split up and no one had cell phones, my mom had distributed the sets of keys saying if anyone was in trouble or lost they should get by the car and set the alarm off. Thankfully because of this she had stayed near enough to hear the car alarms and came running to let me and the dog out. Horrible feeling being that hot. I was still just fine without medical attention (as was the dog) but can’t imagine having been left longer, or without the dog who woke me...
Rubbish, you can AWAYS open a locked car from the inside, very very elementary security.
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So sad is it legal to break a window in CH to save a dog (or forgotten child for that matter...)? I never had to in the US but I was reassured to know it was an option after calling the police since the heat can work quickly.
Why does it matter whether it's legal or not
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Why does it matter whether it's legal or not

Try it and find out. You maybe mistaken and caused serious damage to a car with other unforeseen circumstances.


It is one of those very grey areas of the law.


You may consider the dog, or even worse, child in a position of discomfort from the outside looking in, when in fact the car owner was just at a bancomat or whatever.


It really isn't an easy decision and needs to be well though through
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

In the future all cars will have dog mode (works with cats and hamsters too):

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Rubbish, you can AWAYS open a locked car from the inside, very very elementary security.
Not always from the back seat.

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Try it and find out. You maybe mistaken and caused serious damage to a car with other unforeseen circumstances.


It is one of those very grey areas of the law.


You may consider the dog, or even worse, child in a position of discomfort from the outside looking in, when in fact the car owner was just at a bancomat or whatever.


It really isn't an easy decision and needs to be well though through
Give a flying fck.
There is no excuse if the cooked person shows signs of distress.

Reminds me somehow of when rape was OK as long as "NO" wasn't called...
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It beggars belief really!! All the media (social and other) and leaflets and what not are warning about this, yet dog owners still do it.

If our dog is with me in the car and I NEED TO shop ( tho' this is very rare). I ONLY do so in shops with an underground car park,.

OH.....and small kidlets get left in cars too....because mum quickly wants to go in a shop, Dad needs a ciggie right now.....


But my other bugbear is...and this is just as bad.....owners that walk their dogs around midday now!!

For both offenders, I am all for making them walk barefoot over asphalt in that heat and then shut them in a car, standing in the full sun!!
Yes, are people just blind or stupid???

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/bern/st...essen-20052745

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ly/1542225001/
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Re: Yet another dog dies in a hot car

Ah, yes.
I've also asked myself sometimes if a dog doesn't get cold feet in the winter - or if it isn't uncomfortable in the blazing sun on the black sidewalk hot enough to slow-cook a steak...
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Not always from the back seat.

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I was very recently in a car of which the owner explained to me that it has a super-duper, anti-theft, anti-unlocking alarm system installed. The car itself was unimpressive, but the system made it so that once the driver had locked the car from the outside, and until he/she again unlocked it from the outside, any movement detected inside the car blocked all the egresses, and set off the very loud alarm.
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Rubbish, you can AWAYS open a locked car from the inside, very very elementary security.
Thanks for your disbelief but my fourteen year old self was indeed very much stuck in that car (:
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Thanks for your disbelief but my fourteen year old self was indeed very much stuck in that car (:



Excuse my ignorance but what type of car was this that a 14 year old could not get out of or could not open a window or could not climb through to the front or could not break the window herself ?


I am genuinely interested to learn which manufacture made such a model of car like this.
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