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How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

So, this may seem a little crazy, but please keep in mind I am coming from Australia where almost everybody has a house, with a fence, so their dogs happily live inside the house and/or the back yard when you leave home.


Where do you keep your dog in Switzerland? I'm mystified, as most houses/terrace houses don't seem to have fences? What do you do with your doggies when you are not home?


For those people in apartments, which seems to be the majority, do your doggies stay on the balcony when you're not home?


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What do you do with your doggies when you are not home?


For those people in apartments, which seems to be the majority, do your doggies stay on the balcony when you're not home?

I'm in an apartment. If I'm 'popping out' the doggo has free run and can access the balcony via a very large cat flap. Out there he has a shelter, bed, water etc.
If I'm off to work and he has to wait for the dog walker, he's in the kitchen, with a baby gate to keep him, and a radio left on. No issue with peeing as he has regular walks and marks like a madman. Usually he's alone for @3 hours, but knows the dog sitter is coming.

I would not try to leave him locked on the balcony, he'd scratch the door to get in. Also you have the heat, cold, rain, wasps, birds to bark at etc etc.
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

our dogs graciously allow us to stay in their house, and occasionally allow us on the sofa.
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

Leaving dogs outside is generally frowned upon in Switzerland - and that might include balconies.

The reason: Noise.

There are also regs in the federal TSchV as to keeping dogs outside, including specifications for accommodation. Canton and Gemeinde dependent, there might also be regulations against keeping dogs outside during the night.

But the main thing that causes problems is noise.

Barking is the second cardinal sin in Switzerland (after speeding). Do not underestimate how noise-averse the culture is. A dog may woof a few times, but needs to quiet down quickly. If the dog is outside and you are not home, you run the risk of the wrath of your neighbors.

Do not underestimate this point. Noise levels that might be considered normal back home are rarely tolerated here.

Be aware of quiet hours - generally before 7AM, over the noon hour, after 10PM. Your dog should not bark during that time.

My dogs run free in my fenced-in garden most of the day - but I am there to supervise. That doesn't mean I am a slave to the dogs. (Well, not in that sense ) I can putter in the garden, cook in the kitchen, work on the balcony table - but I am watching and listening to give the quiet command if needed. If I have to leave the house the dogs go inside.

In the house H and H2 have free run, they can do as they please, go wherever they want, sleep on any and all beds and sofas. (In addition to the dog beds in every room!). Robin Goodfellow, however, stays in a room kitted out for him, with beds, toys, etc. behind a baby gate.

I would not leave my dogs out on the balcony while I am gone - again for noise reasons. (Not to mention that Robin would probably jump off in pursuit of a bird flying by...) If your dog can be relied on to be quiet, many people put a dog flap in the door leading to the balcony. If you chose to leave your dog on a balcony, do make sure there is shade in the summer and shelter in the winter.

But be aware: if you are not at home to monitor noise you are vulnerable to accusations from neighbors. Because I have three dogs I am the visible target, I am held responsible for all dogs barking in the neighborhood.

To protect my dogs I have to have proof that they indeed are quiet while I am gone. I often hire a dog sitter when I need to leave the house for that very reason. If you run into similar nastiness from neighbors, recording while you are gone is another good way to prove that your dogs are quiet.

It's one of those adjustments we need to make to a different culture, different quality of housing. There are many restrictions we dog owners have to deal with here. One can indeed give a dog a very good life in crowded Switzerland - one just has to get creative and perhaps a bit more hands-on.

All the best...


This is an extreme situation, one I hope you may never encounter, but poisoning is not unknown in Switzerland. Another reason never to leave your dogs unattended outside. And a reason to work on training your dog not to eat anything on the ground. BTW most Hundeschule do a lesson on 'anti-Giftköder' training.
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

My dog stays inside the apartment... I’d never leave him on the balcony
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

Have you found housing yet, AussieKatherine?

If not, be aware that some landlords will allow dogs - but do not allow dogs to be left alone in the flat. Such restrictions are written into the rental contract.

Folks stuck in such accomodation usually hire sitters or use doggy day care.

If you run into a place like that, walk away.
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

OMG talk about the land of rules!! I need to get used to the phrase - das is verboten!!
Rest assured I would NOT leave my dog on the balcony, especially in the middle of winter. I was more curious with what people actually do, as I can't see many houses with fences. And thankyou for all of the information. So basically, dogs are indoors most of the time apart from when you are taking them for a walk or letting them out to do their business. That is completely different to Australia. Luckily I have a little, white, fluffy, indoors doggie.
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Have you found housing yet, AussieKatherine?

If not, be aware that some landlords will allow dogs - but do not allow dogs to be left alone in the flat. Such restrictions are written into the rental contract.

Folks stuck in such accomodation usually hire sitters or use doggy day care.

If you run into a place like that, walk away.

Meloncollie thanks for that information - I never knew that was even a thing they could write into rental contracts! Unglaublich!
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So basically, dogs are indoors most of the time apart from when you are taking them for a walk or letting them out to do their business. .
I think it would be more accurate to say that dogs are with you (or a carer) most of the time. Whether that is indoors or outdoors is down to your schedule and lifestyle.

As above, my dogs are outside most of the day... but that means I am too.

If you expect to need to be away from home for much of the day, do look into a Hort, which is a sort of 'home like' doggie day care, or look for a pet sitter.

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The difference in housing is an adjustment for those of us who came from places where large single family homes on large private pieces of land is the norm, where our homes were our castles.

Here a more communal lifestyle prevails, even in small villages 'auf dem Land' like mine. Most new building even here has been multi-family flats. Outside of the gazillionaire villas on the hill, I have not seen a single family home built in at least a decade. Many of the existing farmhouses have long since been torn down and replaced by blocks of flats. There is so little space here; developers want to maximize profits, the Gemeinde wants to maximize tax revenues, infrastructure needs to be shared to be cost effective, there are more people wanting to live here than land available. Hence cramming the most people into a small space is the norm.

Living in a single family home with a private garden might not give you the privacy or freedom you had back home. Our house is part of a Quartier, which means that socially you have all the Geraniumpolizei-ness of a building of flats.

So even 'auf dem Land' one needs to be mindful of neighborhood sensibilities.


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Now that said, one thing to be aware of is YMMV. Yes, there are myriad of rules and regulations, especially where dogs come into play. Switzerland may be a land of rule makers, but it often is not a land of rule followers. You will see many Swiss blythely disregarding any and all dog rules.

However... please understand that the fact that your neighbor ignores the local dog regs doesn't necessarily give you green light to do so as well. Part of YMMV is that regs are sometimes enforced selectively. That your neighbor gets away with X, Y, or Z doesn't mean that the Powers That Be won't throw the book at you for the same infraction.

My stance, especially as a foreigner (in a village where one often hears the saying 'Ausländer haben viel Pflicht, kein Recht') is that the best way to give my dogs a good life here is to adhere to both the letter and spirit of the law, and be (perhaps overly) mindful of neighborhood norms and sensibilities. That way, no one can whip out the post-it notes. Or if they do, I know I am on firm ground and can ignore them.

You also may get lucky and find that your neighbors are lovely kind people, where the prevailing attitude is live and let live. If you are so fortunate, you may find that even in radically different housing your life with your doggie won't be all that different from home. I've had both good and bad experiences. It comes down much more to the people you live among rather than the type of housing. So do try to get the measure of the neighborhood before you commit to the rental contract.

As you settle in, take time to get the measure of your neighborhood. Get to know fellow dog owners. Join a Hundeschule or Hundeverein, where you will be among kindred spirits, people who can show you the ropes, offer support - and hopefully turn into friends.

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When you are feeling boxed in, head for the mountains with your doggie. The freedom you have up there is a good antidote to the day-to-day constraints.

Good luck with your move!

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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

It's also worth mentioning that, for all its rules (which are fundamentally based on not causing a nuisance to other people), Switzerland is much much more dog-friendly than many places (thinking of the UK here). You will see dogs in restaurants, in shops, in offices etc. It's not uncommon for people to be able to take their dog to work with them - but again that presupposes a well-behaved, calm, quiet dog.

Meloncollie is particularly unfortunate in her neighbours, I think, but you need to be aware that her situation is definitely possible. I had very few problems when I lived in canton Zurich (and when I did, I moved), and now I'm down in the mountains, it's a different situation entirely. Here almost everyone has a dog (sadly we lost ours last week), and all the neighbours know one another by our dogs and probably know the dogs' names but not necessarily the neighbours' names! The more densely populated the area, the more consideration you are expected to give (even if you don't receive it) and dog "Immissionen" - smells, noise, fur and worse - can give those who are inclined to be protective of their space an easy excuse to be difficult.
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I am so very sorry, Eng_ch.
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I am so very sorry, Eng_ch.

Thank you MC. He was 13 years and 8 months - rather a good innings for a giant schnauzer - but dementia got him in the end. He came back to us for the last day so we got to say goodbye but we're in bits. Best Ship's Dog ever. Thank goodness we have the Ship's Kitten to distract us.
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

I can answer your query from various viewpoints tenant/ landlady-janitor/home-owner.

For short-ish absences dogs are commonly left alone in the flat/home. Ours as well, for about 3 hours maximum, if I have to be away longer, I ask one of my offspring to come and dog-sit or my hubby is booking in work from home with his employer.

It is essential that you only leave dogs homealone, that actually CAN be left alone and are ok with it. Because it really is no fun, to live with neighbours who go to work and the doglet/s howl/bark non-stop for 8-9 hours until they stop from exhaustion.

Been there and lived through it.....at one time it was 3 different tenants in our appt. building who did leave their dogs home alone, the cacophony was even too much for me ( ... and I am deaf!!)

This is different from when a dog hears something in the stairwell and reacts by barking for a minute or two.



If you need to go to work regularly it is advisable to look for a dog sitter or place in a pension/kennel, yep it can be costly but IMHO it is better for dog and owner.

Now I live in a semi and when I am at home the dog is outside in the garden from spring to fall, obviously besides our walkies.

Apart from farmers it is not very common that a dog is left alone in the garden /on the premises and is quite frowned upon nowadays and can land you in a lot of hasslie with busybody neighbours


From the landlady/ janitor perspective big upset has also been caused by tenants letting (despite it being forbidden) their dogs not only run free in the shared garden, but also letting them do their No. 1 and 2s on the lawns around the house.

Have you decided now where you want to live around Bern?

I'd go as far as to say, the more rural you live, the less problems you have as dog owner and vice versa.
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For short-ish absences dogs are commonly left alone in the flat/home. Ours as well, for about 3 hours maximum, if I have to be away longer, I ask one of my offspring to come and dog-sit or my hubby is booking in work from home with his employer.

It is essential that you only leave dogs home alone, that actually CAN be left alone and are ok with it. Because it really is no fun, to live with neighbours who go to work and the doglet/s howl/bark non-stop for 8-9 hours until they stop from exhaustion.
This x 1000 times.

If the "busy-bodying Swiss" can somehow make it extremely difficult for people to leave their poor dogs home alone for an entire working day then I'm grateful to them and their rules.

I'm not a dog-owner because I couldn't offer them the life that they deserve, i.e. I'm out for most of the day every day. Otherwise I would have one (or five) in a heartbeat.
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our dogs graciously allow us to stay in their house, and occasionally allow us on the sofa.

Exactly as it should be bigblue! Last night, my little Rookie allowed me to sleep on my side of the bed!
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But be aware: if you are not at home to monitor noise you are vulnerable to accusations from neighbors. Because I have three dogs I am the visible target, I am held responsible for all dogs barking in the neighborhood.
Hear you loud and clear on that one!

Now living on an 'estate' (Quartier im Quartier) with 18 semis...

I had to deal with neighbored gossipers and busybodies from my moving in onwards, spouting gossip that my dog is left unattended outside for days on end, because they only heard her when she barked, but of course didn't see me out in the garden too.

The neighbours were informed about my handicap with a letter to them all as well as me, telling them, that I am always out when the dog is out too, but alas I don't hear her if I don't watch/see her all the time.

To keep her quiet at all times, would mean, the doglet would've to stay indoors whilst I am pottering about in the veggie allotment or tend to the flowers, mow the lawn or do whatever gardening work is required.
No more reading in the shade of the tree, but watching doglet like a hawk where she is and what she does at all times.



How ridicolous is THAT!!

And of course I won't bow to that......not until all their kiddos/grandkids have to remain indoors as well and won't cause any noise anymore
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

We have lived here just shy of 3 years. We brought our very sweet and playful yellow lab 6 months into our move here. She LOVES Zurich and I have found that the Swiss assume I am Swiss because of our dog and are quite friendly.

That said, just had our first not so pleasant encounter around the corner where we reside. It was early in the morning, and I took our dog out and as we rounded the corner, up sprang what looked to me like a Great Dane/lab combo. My lab sat submissively as is her tendency, and after a few sniffs, the other dog went mad and unbeknownst to me at the time, ended up biting my dog on the ear.

The other owner looked flummoxed - as if this never happened before. I didn't realize that our dog was bitten until we returned home. We just visited the vet and she is on antibiotics now. Thankfully, the wound seems superficial but we shall see.

In the past 2 1/2 years, our experience has been pretty amazing with our dog and other dog owners. I guess I need to be a bit more cautious now - sad but true...
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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

my experience with dogs and other people who own dogs, growing up in an urban environment: the dog stays inside the apartment or house if nobody is at home and they can't take it with.

You do not leave the dog in the garden, barking at shit, the neighbours will complain to the municipality. Fences are also not 100% at containing dogs so it's just a bad idea if nobody is at home, so nobody does it really.
Dogs closed on balconies - not considered acceptable I'd say.

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Re: How do you confine dogs in Switzerland??

Thankyou so much for your considered and thorough replies. It's great to be able to get a feel for a place prior to moving.



Luckily I have a little, house trained and quite happy to be indoors Bichon Frise. He's used to being left on his own. I also only work part time, so I'm sure it would not be an issue to leave him inside when I leave. I guess like everywhere in the world, you can have good and bad experiences depending on who your neighbours are.
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Have you decided now where you want to live around Bern?

I'd go as far as to say, the more rural you live, the less problems you have as dog owner and vice versa.

Hi EastEnders - we won't live in the city. At the moment, we are considering around Worb/Muensingen, Thun, or Burgdorf as possible places to move to. I guess you could consider these places rural-ish.
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