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'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Evening all,
The other night, we took our two dogs out for a walk on our usual route. This includes taking a detour off the main street to walk up a short driveway leading to a car park for a couple of blocks of residents flats. We walk around it out and back out onto the road again. But this night, a probably 60s-ish old (seemed like local) couple approached us pretty rudely to say 'stop coming here', 'this is private' and so on. There is no signage at the entrance or around the car park saying as such and, being polite we said our sorrys and left. But it did rile me, hence this post!
Is there a rule (written or unwritten) about walking your dogs in car parks? Are they no go areas?
We really don't know if we broke a rule, or just encountered a grouchy couple that didn't like non-residents of 'their' area walking around.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

You say the car park is "for a couple of blocks of residents flats". In that case, yes, it is private land, so you don't have any right to be there, at all.

In practice, many people do walk through the grounds around blocks of flats, especially since there are no fences. But anyone living there, whether tenant or owner, is within their rights to tell you not to come back to, as you rightly put it, "their" area.

This is not just a matter of being grouchy. Quite apart from extra concerns during Corona-times, everything works on insurance. If you were to trip and fall, while on their land, or they were to trip over your dogs, it could open a whole chain of insurance claims and counter claims. That's a lot of work. Other factors may be that they are scared of dogs, as many people are, since dogs are often not allowed in rental properties, so there are people who've grown up for several generations of never having lived near a dog, ever. The people might like the silence and your conversation might have disturbed them.

In short, there could be any number of reasons why they don't want you there. But it really doesn't matter, as you've been told clearly to stay away, and since you have no right to be there, it would, now especially, be breaking a rule (trespassing) should you walk on their land again. So, best to choose another route, that doesn't take you over that area.

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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Thanks for the info and super fast reply!

Signage leaves a bit to be desired then, but got the info and much appreciated.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Would you feel any different if it was a driveway of a single family dwelling? Or of a villa jumelť?

If it is private property, it is private.

We are getting a lot of dog walkers these days, some of which are driving out from the cities. Not all of them are behaving as expected. I am getting very tired of picking up their dog shit from my forecourt.

Yes, please do not come here.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Fair point mate.

New route plotted avoiding these areas.

Cheers.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not co me here"..!

We also are getting far more dog walkers, as well as hikers, cyclists etc. Yesterday I had to stop a group with Zurich plates from parking in the very obviously private car park next to the house so they could all go for a hike! Wonder how people would react if I drove 30km went and parked on their private driveway and then let the dog run off the lead over their garden!
At the moment, when there are far more people out hiking, in the forest and on the trails, dogs should be kept on a lead at all times. I don't care how friendly the dog is or if they just want to play, in these times of social distancing people don't want strangers and their dogs near to them. I certainly don't and neither do I want to deal with mine getting bitten, should the strange dog be not that friendly
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Signage leaves a bit to be desired then, but got the info and much appreciated.

Put it this way,



Do you have signs at both your front, back doors in your gardens on your windows, PRIVATE PROPERTY
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Fair point mate.

New route plotted avoiding these areas.

Cheers.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Caught some guy having a wee in our bushes out front. When I asked him what the hell he was doing he just grinned, did up his zip and hopped on his bike again.

Please donít come here if you canít behave.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

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Put it this way,
Do you have signs at both your front, back doors in your gardens on your windows, PRIVATE PROPERTY
Give the guy a break, maybe? Heís accepted that he made a mistake, and has agreed to find another route. Seems like a decent guy.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

Pachyderm I agree he is /has.



It hit a nerve with me. Our car park infront of our block, I had a couple of separate nasty confrontations with people using our parking spaces in recent months before COVID. Complicated, we choose not to have Private sign up, as a bit in the face. Spaces for security reasons are not numbered. We each know which is our space & we do share around a bit in case of visitors. We do not have a barrier, rather expensive and easier for delivery drivers to enter, we do have at least one invalid in the block
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Thanks for the info and super fast reply!

Signage leaves a bit to be desired then, but got the info and much appreciated.
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Fair point mate.

New route plotted avoiding these areas.

Cheers.
I like your style. Even though feeling slightly annoyed, you asked a question about how things work here, got a straight answer, for which you then said thanks, remained polite about learning and showed us that you'll change what you needed to change. Thank you.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

>Give the guy a break, maybe? He’s accepted that he made a mistake, and has agreed to find another route. Seems like a decent guy.


To be honest I read that reply as just wanting to explain, not as to be aggressive.
Honestly it can be confusing in Switzerland with especially private parking spaces - in other countries you can generally assume that parking spaces are public if not clearly marked otherwise, here it is the other way around often.
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We also are getting far more dog walkers, as well as hikers, cyclists etc. Yesterday I had to stop a group with Zurich plates from parking in the very obviously private car park next to the house so they could all go for a hike! Wonder how people would react if I drove 30km went and parked on their private driveway and then let the dog run off the lead over their garden!
At the moment, when there are far more people out hiking, in the forest and on the trails, dogs should be kept on a lead at all times. I don't care how friendly the dog is or if they just want to play, in these times of social distancing people don't want strangers and their dogs near to them. I certainly don't and neither do I want to deal with mine getting bitten, should the strange dog be not that friendly
It's now being seen that people petting dogs can transmit COVID both to the animals and the humans. At the moment I am not petting any dogs and if I had a dog I wouldn't be letting any stranger pet it either..
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It's now being seen that people petting dogs can transmit COVID both to the animals and the humans. At the moment I am not petting any dogs and if I had a dog I wouldn't be letting any stranger pet it either..

To be very clear there is zero evidence that a dog can transmit the virus to people. A friend of mine runs a couple of shelters in UK and they have been inundated by stupid people throwing away their dogs because they wrongly think their pet can give them the virus. I would no more throw away my child than I would my dog.

That said, I absolutely do not want any strangers coming that close to me or my dog at the moment and certainly no petting! Could the virus be spread if an infected person touched their lead or collar or fur and the virus remain active for a while (such as seems to be the case on other surfaces. Sounds plausible

I repeat though, NO evidence that your pet can spread the virus to people
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Please don’t come here if you can’t behave.
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

So... what kind of action can be taken against a repeat offender?

There is a pathway between our apartment buildings that is frequently used by outsiders as a shortcut to the bus stop. There is a sign saying that the path is only for residents, and another sign showing the proper route to the bus stop. But we keep seeing the same people trespassing and even told them a few times. What action can we take? Take their picture and send it to the police?
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Re: 'Private' car park -- "do not come here"..!

I am shocked that expats can become so "swiss".

But if you want to purue it.
Take photos
Find out who they are
Go to the police station and file charges - if you are in rented accomodation it may be that the owner or the owner's representative has to file charges. If you cannot identify the culprits the then the police will decide if it is serious enough for them to pursue it. I am not a lawyer so you might want to get professional advice

Now you are really integrated, go straight to prison.
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There is a pathway between our apartment buildings that is frequently used by outsiders as a shortcut to the bus stop. There is a sign saying that the path is only for residents, and another sign showing the proper route to the bus stop. But we keep seeing the same people trespassing and even told them a few times. What action can we take? Take their picture and send it to the police?
Fence and a locked gate?
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