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I wonder why this would be?

Hopefully its not the same as "lets get a pet for Christmas" which too often turns into "let's get rid of the pet" once the holidays and the novelty wears off.....
That’s exactly the situation my trainer fears we will be facing in about six months. I’m considering waiting on getting the puppy we’ve been hoping for all along to see if there aren’t several up for rehoming by the end of the year.
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Yes, this. I fear that my family's enthusiasm is just that: enthusiasm. We had an aquarium, a hamster, a bird. I was the carer.
This seems to happen in many families.
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IF you do decide to take a theory course prior to getting a dog, it might be a good idea for the family to attend together. Sort of a test of enthusiasm, as it were.
This is excellent advice!
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The RSPCA and the Dog's Trust in the UK have advised people NOT to adopt during the lock down- to try and avoid this- people getting a pet to keep busy and entertained during Lock-down and then .... In our case with our current dog, the family 'outgrew' (their words) the dogs when they were 13 and 11 years old! Emma is now 15.

However- back on track to the OPs question. I apologise my comment detracted from this.

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The RSPCA and the Dog's Trust in the UK have advised people NOT to adopt during the lock down- to try and avoid this- people getting a pet to keep busy and entertained suring Lock-down and then .... In our case with oru current dog, the family 'outgrew' (their words) the dogs when they were 13 and 11 years old! Emma is now 15.

However- back on track to the OPs question. I apologise my comment detracted from this.
Thank you.
No worries, I don't think OP will be terribly upset. And you're right to raise the question of family "outgrowing the dogs" - that's my concern too. We'll see.
This is an older wish though - getting a dog, it's not really a "lockdown thing". But I know, everyone is right, there is a risk.
Incredible amount of info from everyone, nice thread!
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Re: Adopting a Aussie puppy in La Côte

Stumbled upon a nearby litter.

Tomorrow we visit the 10 day old pups & may commit to bringing one home at about 11-12 weeks of age - although, tbh, not sure what we can ultimately discriminate in a 10 day old puppy apart from color
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Alternatively, you could adopt Omtatsat. Not a puppy anymore and requires some firm training, but could be an option.
Well at least I am " hometrained"
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Stumbled upon a nearby litter.

Tomorrow we visit the 10 day old pups & may commit to bringing one home at about 11-12 weeks of age - although, tbh, not sure what we can ultimately discriminate in a 10 day old puppy apart from color
I’m a bit surprised they’d bother doing a visit. Puppies under 3 weeks are pretty boring, eyes aren’t typically open, mostly just sleeping and eating.

A really great breeder waits to guarantee a certain pup for a certain owner until they are old enough to have behavioral traits coming through. Great breeders will often tell a family which puppy they are willing to sell to them.

That being said, really great breeders are few and far between and usually have waitlists a year or more long. Good breeders often just let people pick, including the one I got my Appenzeller from here. The essential stuff is to know that the parents have had the necessary health testing and that the puppies will start their socialisation process already at the breeder’s place. Individual puppy character won’t be noticeable at 10 days (my trainer doesn’t offer her character evaluations of litters until 5 weeks typically) But you will be able to see the mom, at least pictures of the dad if he’s not on site, see how the dogs are kept etc. That can already tell you a lot about the breeder.
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Stumbled upon a nearby litter.

Tomorrow we visit the 10 day old pups & may commit to bringing one home at about 11-12 weeks of age - although, tbh, not sure what we can ultimately discriminate in a 10 day old puppy apart from color
I know a volunteering dog walker!

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I’m a bit surprised they’d bother doing a visit. Puppies under 3 weeks are pretty boring, eyes aren’t typically open, mostly just sleeping and eating.

A really great breeder waits to guarantee a certain pup for a certain owner until they are old enough to have behavioral traits coming through. Great breeders will often tell a family which puppy they are willing to sell to them.

That being said, really great breeders are few and far between and usually have waitlists a year or more long. Good breeders often just let people pick, including the one I got my Appenzeller from here. The essential stuff is to know that the parents have had the necessary health testing and that the puppies will start their socialisation process already at the breeder’s place. Individual puppy character won’t be noticeable at 10 days (my trainer doesn’t offer her character evaluations of litters until 5 weeks typically) But you will be able to see the mom, at least pictures of the dad if he’s not on site, see how the dogs are kept etc. That can already tell you a lot about the breeder.

I concur and I researched this quite a bit, I honestly have no idea what we can learn at this point apart from seeing what the parents are like. But as you say, there's a waiting list - we are lucky as there are two other families interested in the same last two puppies and since we are arriving sooner we can already reserve.

We spent a lot of time last night going over our expectations for the visit since the puppy itself is not likely to influence too much at 10 days (We saw videos online and they still appear a bit in the fetus mode - hopefully eyes may be open but probably not). Not the way I envisioned selecting a puppy, very odd, but I suppose it is what it is
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I concur and I researched this quite a bit, I honestly have no idea what we can learn at this point apart from seeing what the parents are like. But as you say, there's a waiting list - we are lucky as there are two other families interested in the same last two puppies and since we are arriving sooner we can already reserve.

We spent a lot of time last night going over our expectations for the visit since the puppy itself is not likely to influence too much at 10 days (We saw videos online and they still appear a bit in the fetus mode - hopefully eyes may be open but probably not). Not the way I envisioned selecting a puppy, very odd, but I suppose it is what it is
Indeed when waiting lists are involved it’s good to be able to get into line. You can always cancel later, even if there is sometimes a fee, if you have a good reason to believe the puppy won’t be good for you the breeder should respect that.

It is very important to see the parents, at least the mother in person since the father isn’t always on site. Best of luck!

I’m technically on a waiting list for a litter that hasn’t even been born yet I like the parents ok but I’m not thrilled so not sure I’ll confirm when the puppies are born. Though I’m so far down on the list I doubt there will be enough puppies it’s a very strange year to be trying to find a puppy. Of course this would be the time we decide to get our second
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I’m a bit surprised they’d bother doing a visit. Puppies under 3 weeks are pretty boring, eyes aren’t typically open, mostly just sleeping and eating.

A really great breeder waits to guarantee a certain pup for a certain owner until they are old enough to have behavioral traits coming through. Great breeders will often tell a family which puppy they are willing to sell to them.

That being said, really great breeders are few and far between and usually have waitlists a year or more long. Good breeders often just let people pick, including the one I got my Appenzeller from here. The essential stuff is to know that the parents have had the necessary health testing and that the puppies will start their socialisation process already at the breeder’s place. Individual puppy character won’t be noticeable at 10 days (my trainer doesn’t offer her character evaluations of litters until 5 weeks typically) But you will be able to see the mom, at least pictures of the dad if he’s not on site, see how the dogs are kept etc. That can already tell you a lot about the breeder.

Excellent post!

Yes, 10 days old is oddly soon to allow visits. The mother might not feel comfortable allowing strangers near her pups yet, let alone handling them, so make sure you discuss this with the breeder - what you should and should not do.

Honestly, at this early stage the visit should be more about you assessing the breeder and the breeder assessing you. You might not even get to see the pups yet. Come prepared to discuss your family*, your typical daily routine, what you are looking for in a puppy, how you will raise the puppy, your accommodation - and your plans for training classes.

* How old are your children? While the breeder will (should) want to meet the children, ask if they should come along at this first early meeting. Children might be 'too much' for the mother dog at this point.

In rescue work when I assess a potential adopter I put a great deal of stock in discussions of training and socialization. IMO it's a good idea to show that you have researched puppy training classes in your area, especially wrt the pandemic restrictions on training class sizes and contact at this time.

Puppy development classes (Welpenförderung, which is often different from play sessions, Welpenspielstunde!) are all about socialization. How will that be accomplished with current distancing regulations in place?

So call around to local Hundeschule offering puppy development classes, ask how they are structured during this unusual time. Be aware that some might have susupended puppy development classes, so you might need to do more on your own.

Think about how you will do your puppy socialization training - an absolutely critical step - when the pup comes home.

A pup must be a minimum of 56 days old before leaving his mother, but some breeders prefer 10 or even 12 weeks. We don't know what restrictions will be in place then, but you will want to prepared to socialize your pup during these unusually socially-distant times.

Towards that end, here is a good article from the University of Minnesota Vet school on socializing a puppy during COVID:
https://www.vmc.umn.edu/sites/vmc.um...ng_covid19.pdf

And another from Psychology Today:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...uring-covid-19

And the AKC:
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/tr...al-distancing/

Also consider how the vet exam will be done - remember, you need to see a vet within 10 days for the AMICUS registration. If by then the vets are still not allowing people in the exam room with the pet this could be traumatic for a puppy. Some of the articles above touch on this. You might call your local vet practice, ask for their policy on first puppy visits during COVID, and perhaps even ask if the exam can be done outside if there is an enclosed grassy area in the practice or in your carto allow you to be present during the exam.

I bring all this up now, because a good breeder should ask your plans for the above as part of assessing you and your family. COVID makes for signficant barriers to the usual 'bringing home puppy' stuff, so a good breeder will want to see that a potential adopter has thought these particualr challenges through, that you have done your research. Being prepared puts you in a good light as a potential puppy parent.

You of course should be assessing the breeder as well - look at the health and character of the parents (the sire might not be on site, but obviously the mother is), look at the breeder's set-up, and ask carefully about the breeder's early socialization program. A good breeder is happy to discuss how they raise the pups, their philosophy, takes pride in their program and welcomes questions.

And of course, if anything feels wrong - do not hesitate to walk away. This is why it is often good to meet the breeder before seeing the pups, as once you have seen the pups the heart starts to melt and can override what that voice in the back of your head is saying...

Wishing you and your future furry friend all the best.

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Indeed when waiting lists are involved it’s good to be able to get into line. You can always cancel later, even if there is sometimes a fee, if you have a good reason to believe the puppy won’t be good for you the breeder should respect that.

It is very important to see the parents, at least the mother in person since the father isn’t always on site. Best of luck!

I’m technically on a waiting list for a litter that hasn’t even been born yet I like the parents ok but I’m not thrilled so not sure I’ll confirm when the puppies are born. Though I’m so far down on the list I doubt there will be enough puppies it’s a very strange year to be trying to find a puppy. Of course this would be the time we decide to get our second

Deposit has been made for the new member to the family

We selected a male blue merle but hesitated with a red merle, they were all pretty adorable in appearance - even this young. Parents appeared ideal in terms of temperament and the breeder's setting (on a farm) was fairly idyllic as well

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ETA: Just saw your post above, that you have been able to definitively reserve. Congratulations! Here's to fun-filled adventures ahead.



So ignore my comment below, but I'll leave it there for other parents considering bringing a pup into the family.


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But as you say, there's a waiting list - we are lucky as there are two other families interested in the same last two puppies and since we are arriving sooner we can already reserve.
Just a comment - if there is a chance that someone else might be selected for a puppy over you, unless absolutely required for the first visit by the breeder, if the children are young it might be prudent not to bring them to the first meeting. It's heartbreaking enough for an adult when you are not selected, but devastating for a child who can't really understand.

Ask the breeder for advice here.

In a first conversation with prospective adopters who are parents, I urge them to gently manage children's expectations until it is certain that the family is accepted.

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Deposit has been made for the new member to the family

We selected a male blue merle but hesitated with a red merle, they were all pretty adorable in appearance - even this young. Parents appeared ideal in terms of temperament and the breeder's setting (on a farm) was fairly idyllic as well

Appreciate very much all the advice, impressed by the knowledge from you, MusicChick & melloncollie
The curiosity over the new family member's name is killing meeeeee . Will you bring him/her to swim?
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I've been told due to being a pure breed it needs to start with 'R' so we're in speculation mode. We've also been told you can use a prefix (like Roi etc) for first name and add the desired name after - we have 10 weeks still, so it'll be an interesting discussion with our expanded family en Suisse & back in USofA

We were told that another in the litter has been reserved by someone nearby us as it turns out, so we hope to connect with them and see about dog walks with their sib
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We had a Dobie as my High School mascot dog, he was the most loved dog on the planet. He was special - smart, strongwilled and confident.
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The time-honoured way of testing your chosen puppy name is to stand out in a public place and call the name out loud, over and over.



Do you feel a tad foolish? Do others look at you slightly askance?

Prudence Treadlightly always said I should have heeded this advice.
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We had a Dobie as my High School mascot dog, he was the most loved dog on the planet. He was special - smart, strongwilled and confident.
I really liked the comparison to an Arabian stallion - hadn't made that connection before but I really see it now

Perhaps when the kids are older, I'll make my way back to a Dobie again. Then again, I may become too enamoured by Aussies by then
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The time-honoured way of testing your chosen puppy name is to stand out in a public place and call the name out loud, over and over.



Do you feel a tad foolish? Do others look at you slightly askance?

Prudence Treadlightly always said I should have heeded this advice.
A bit like with kids....eh?
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