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dog nappies

Our 14 year old retriever has started sh...g at night, often unaware of the result.
I was thinking of dropping into fressnapf on Monday to pick up a couple of these:
https://shop.fressnapf.ch/de/waschba...151-34151.html

Any advice/comments/alternatives?
I tried searching the threads but without reading them all in detail found nothing specific
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Re: dog nappies

Is your dog male or female?

And are you concerned about urine, fecal matter, or both?

My recommendations will be very different depending on the above...


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Re: dog nappies

I would get a vet check up in case of lower spine/vertebrae degeneration or other hind end issues causing pup to no longer be able to control bowels when sleeping.

Is pup constipated/has there been a diet change or any new medication
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Re: dog nappies

Of course, go with meloncollie's and Mr Dog's advice.

But just in case and of these might be the right product and size, there are some ads on tutti at the moment: https://www.tutti.ch/de/li/ganze-schweiz?q=hundewindeln
Two different sellers in Canton Zurich and the third in Canton Aargau.
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I would get a vet check up in case of lower spine/vertebrae degeneration or other hind end issues causing pup to no longer be able to control bowels when sleeping.

Is pup constipated/has there been a diet change or any new medication
Good luck
The pup is 14 years old!
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The pup is 14 years old!

Yes, and your point/advice is what?
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Yes, and your point/advice is what?
The age could be a factor in the loss of bowel control.
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The age could be a factor in the loss of bowel control.
Yes, obviously age will be a factor in overall deterioration of health but it is important in dogs of all age, and especially in elderly dogs, that when dogs display new behaviour, such an uncontrolled bowel movement, that it is checked out and not written off as an age thing

I have absolutely no idea whether dog has any degenerative spinal or other issues and that is up to a vet to determine after examination and considering other indicators. Is it possible given age? Yes. OP said this happens at night and the dog is unaware which I took as dog doing this while asleep (rather than no longer being able to go through the night without being let out) and hence my recommendation.

While there would be no cure for a 14 year old dog, OP can then look at pain relief and management if any hind/spine issues are found

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Re: dog nappies

Thank you for the replies. Max is a non-grumpy old man. He has been to the vet, diagnosed with neural weaknesses rather than loss of leg muscle function. He manages the stairs up and down, but only if he gets a reward
He needs to go for a pee at regular intervals during the day but up to now has only peed a couple of times in the flat at night -when he was stressed.
He's on forthyron for thyroid underfunction and either tramol from the vet or my minalgin for pain. Gets a daily 2.5mg Prednisolone for joints.

The problem with the fecal matter is when it gets runny and/or when he lies in it. Otherwise it is fairly easy to clean from the parquet floor -the carpet has been rolled up
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Re: dog nappies

We tried doggie diapers for our Poldi during his last illness the year before he passed away. He didn't do so well with them - they kept falling off. We took him out every few hours and even once or twice during the night but we still needed some protection for the floors and furniture. So I bought some onesies (he was only 8 kilos) and cut a hole for his tail and then I lined it with one of those disposable incontinence pads they sell at Migro. He didn't seem to mind them and we were lucky that it wasn't summer when it would have been too hot to do that.

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Thank you for the replies. Max is a non-grumpy old man. He has been to the vet, diagnosed with neural weaknesses rather than loss of leg muscle function. He manages the stairs up and down, but only if he gets a reward
He needs to go for a pee at regular intervals during the day but up to now has only peed a couple of times in the flat at night -when he was stressed.
He's on forthyron for thyroid underfunction and either tramol from the vet or my minalgin for pain. Gets a daily 2.5mg Prednisolone for joints.

The problem with the fecal matter is when it gets runny and/or when he lies in it. Otherwise it is fairly easy to clean from the parquet floor -the carpet has been rolled up
When it comes to doggie diapers, loss of urine in a male is the easiest problem to solve, whereas fecal matter is more difficult.

The problem with fecal incontinence is that any diaper that has a tail opening also means that fecal matter gets out as well. But of course you must have a tail opening.

Unlike urinary incontence - where diaper materials absorb and keep urine away from the skin - fecal incontinence means that your dog will ultimately end up lying in the feces. Not good.

So... based on many old dogs, what I have now settled on as the easiest way to manage fecal incontinence - easiest for both the dog and me - is a restricted overnight area, lined with washable human incontinence bed pads.

I get the pads from Aldi, ca 60cm x 90cm. price ca. CHF 9, but I often find them for half price. Since these are washable the price is actually quite good. The pads are soft on one side, and pretty absorbent. You can also get these at many Apotheke or medical supply stores, but the price will be higher. FYI - I have found that most human products are less expensive than pet-specific products.

None of my oldies like being crated, especially when a bit of CCD sets in. Rather I block off a corner of the room where the dogs sleep. (Which is our bedroom - I want to keep an eye on my oldies in case they become distressed during the night.) That way the dog has enough space to get up and move away from a fecal matter leak, but nightime wandering - and spreading - is limited.

I put down a cheap washable or 'hoseable' area cover - a car boot liner works well. Traction helps when there is a neurological issue. On the dog's bed I put one of the incontinence pads under the bed's cover, then a second on top. Maybe a second bed for your dog to move to if you find he is regularly having an accident in his bed rather than on the nearby covered floor.

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If you want to try the diaper, go ahead. IME, you might buy a size or two larger than recommended - I've found most brands just don't seem big enough. Buying larger means you could also line the diaper with an baby diaper or adult incontinence wrap (cut a hole for the tail), making your life a tad easier.

I gave up on the diapers because I have long-haired double coated dogs. Fecal matter sticking to the fur is distressing for the dog and can be very difficult to bathe out, especially if the dog sleeps in it.

But try everything, leave no stone unturned.

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Ultimately, I end up getting up several times during the night. Love my oldies.

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I know you said urinary incontinence isn't the main problem, but just for anyone reading with a male dog where this is an issue:

Human baby diapers or adult incontinence wraps (depending on the size of the dog) make a very effective and inexpensive belly wrap. IME far more absorbent than doggy belly wraps, and better fitting.

Turn the diaper around so that the elastic leg edges go around the dog's waist, above and below the penis. Pleat any extra material over his back, close with a piece of masking tape. Easy-peasy, absorbant, the elastic keeps fluid from leaking.

None of my guys have objected to being belly-wrapped, unlike wearing a doggie diaper where we had lots of drama.

If the dog is too big for even adult incontinence wraps, buy or make a fabric belly wrap cover to fit his waist and then line with an adult incontinence wrap as above.

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Is diarrhea (aside from the incontinence) a regular problem? If so, perhaps the vet can give you something to help with that. I've had good results with Fortiflora, Korvamin, and Pro Max paste, in ascending order of severity of the diarrhea. It's easier to clean up firmer stools, as every dog owner knows. These are not meds, rather supplements - but obviously should be discussed with your vet, as diarrhea can be a symptom of many things that might need further investigation.

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