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wanda delamere 07.06.2020 23:48

Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
I love cats, and normally my neighbour's cats would be welcome as visitors to my home. We live on the fourth floor and they cross over to my balcony from his, then enter through my balcony door. Unfortunately, they have started peeing all over my flat and on my bed.

I'm unclear as to my rights here, and his obligations. Can I ask him to keep his cats from crossing onto my balcony? I don't feel that I should be the one who has to keep their balcony door closed at all times. I should be able to freely enjoy my property without the nuisance caused by my neighbour's cats.

Anyone have an experience similar to this? I don't want to make the cats' lives difficult, but I also don't want a home that stinks of cat pee.

3Wishes 08.06.2020 16:11

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Welcome to the Forum. :)

Have you told your neighbor about the problem? Sometimes peeing in the wrong place is a sign of a health issue that needs to be checked.

How close are your balconies? :confused:

CodPeace 08.06.2020 16:15

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Are they on route somewhere else when they cross your balcony or just heading to your apartment?
If it's just to your apartment, then consider netting to deter them, after talking to your neighbour first though.

Guest 08.06.2020 17:55

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wanda delamere (Post 3188882)
I love cats, and normally my neighbour's cats would be welcome as visitors to my home. We live on the fourth floor and they cross over to my balcony from his, then enter through my balcony door.


And that is the problem. Instead of very gently shooing them away, you welcomed them into your home and they now see it as their territory. You say cats plural and they so am I right to assume two cats? Do they both visit together or individually? Do they both pee or just one of them? If they were regular visitors and this peeing is new, I would tell the owner what is happening, phrasing it not as a complaint, but out of concern for cat's health.

Putting up a netting as mentioned sounds a good idea

meloncollie 08.06.2020 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wanda delamere (Post 3188882)

I'm unclear as to my rights here, and his obligations.

Here is what the good folks at Tier Im Recht Foundation, a group that are experts on Swiss animal law, have to say:

https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht...ck-hinterlsst/

Translation courtesy of Deepl, because my little grey cells have already had enough exercise today ;)

If a cat causes damage on a foreign property, the damaged neighbour may have to pay for it himself. In most cases the owner is liable for the damages caused by his animal, but he can still not be held responsible in every case. You can find more information about the so-called pet owner liability, here.

(My note - follow the link in the German text, it's a general statement on liability wrt pet ownership. )

TIR then continues:

A cat owner - unlike a dog owner - cannot be expected to constantly supervise his animals. For this reason, he does not necessarily have to take responsibility for damages caused by a cat on a foreign property. But he is liable at least if he has already been legally obliged to prevent his Büsi from entering other people's property and apartments and still has not taken the necessary precautions.

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Damage caused by a free roaming cat is a tricky one in law, as cats are considered by nature 'semi-wild'.

So first step, talk to the cat owner. Try to find a solution together, emphasizing preventing future visits. Ask him what he might suggest to deter his cat. Toss in a comment about the damage - hopefully if he has any moral sense he'll voluntarily offer to pay for cleaning.

However, be prepared that some cat owners will shrug off any responsibility.

If that happens, your choice is to either resign yourself to paying for the damage or to try to take the matter further - but be aware that the latter is likely to cost you more than it might be worth.

So... that's a bit about the legal situation.

Were it me, I'd focus on looking for common ground with the owner and finding a practical solution to deter visits. And for that, I'll defer to the forum cat experts.

bowlie 08.06.2020 18:20

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Try this

https://www.amazon.com/Hoont-Garden-...s%2C233&sr=8-1

st2lemans 08.06.2020 18:36

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Probably NOT a good idea:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanda delamere (Post 3188882)
We live on the fourth floor and they cross over to my balcony from his, then enter through my balcony door.

Tom

Guest 08.06.2020 18:36

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Ask your neighbour friendly to shield of his balcony in a way that prevents his cats from coming unto yours.

If he refuses than give him a nicely signed letter and tell him that any damages occurring in your home due to his cats as of two weeks will be on his costs.

Pancakes 08.06.2020 18:45

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Do you think they could be peeing in your house because they are unable to get into their own house?

Would you consider getting a litter box? Maybe that would prevent them from peeing on your bed, etc.

A neighborhood cat was coming into our house last summer, through our garden door when it was open or when someone would open it. She would just walk right in and plop down on our sofa like it was her own house. :p It wasn't really a problem for us until the cat's owner got angry that she was coming into our house and tried to blame us for it. :msnshock: Needless to say, if she tries to come in now, we have to shoo her out.

BasP72 08.06.2020 18:48

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Just get a supersoaker and let it rip when the cat jumps on your balcony.

Pancakes 08.06.2020 18:49

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Or perhaps somewhat more humane... get a fake snake and put it on your balcony. Cats hate snakes (that's why they usually jump at the sight of a cucumber).

* maybe not a good idea if it could cause the cat to freak out and fall off the balcony, though.

Medea Fleecestealer 08.06.2020 18:49

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Or get a screen for your balcony door which allows you to open it, but doesn't allow access. Something like this maybe.

https://images.app.goo.gl/KyaoegHbWomZoXRR7

bowlie 08.06.2020 19:06

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I gave it on good reput that putting a cucumber in his/her path may work wonders.

omtatsat 08.06.2020 19:12

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wanda delamere (Post 3188882)
I love cats, and normally my neighbour's cats would be welcome as visitors to my home. We live on the fourth floor and they cross over to my balcony from his, then enter through my balcony door. Unfortunately, they have started peeing all over my flat and on my bed.

I'm unclear as to my rights here, and his obligations. Can I ask him to keep his cats from crossing onto my balcony? I don't feel that I should be the one who has to keep their balcony door closed at all times. I should be able to freely enjoy my property without the nuisance caused by my neighbour's cats.

Anyone have an experience similar to this? I don't want to make the cats' lives difficult, but I also don't want a home that stinks of cat pee.

Simply chase it away with a banging on a pot. They hate that. Or throw water on it if its outside on your balcony.

John_H 08.06.2020 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3189126)
Probably NOT a good idea:



Tom

I was soooo looking forward to that auto soaker arriving at my place .. Our garden is like the cat toilet for the whole neighborhood .. I eagerly setup and sat my motion activated camera beside it.. After all it's no fun soaking a cat if you don't get to see it..

And nothing.. Didn't soak a thing.. I think cats were scared of the actual device .. So it worked in the sense of keeping them away but i wanted to soak them..

Soon as i removed the device .. Cat crap over the garden again.. I might just sit it there like a scarecrow.

legallyspeaking 09.06.2020 10:54

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wanda delamere (Post 3188882)
I'm unclear as to my rights here, and his obligations. Can I ask him to keep his cats from crossing onto my balcony? I don't feel that I should be the one who has to keep their balcony door closed at all times. I should be able to freely enjoy my property without the nuisance caused by my neighbour's cats.

Our cats were going over to the neighbor's and one cat was pooping on their balcony. They noticed after the eighth incident of poop (they are really disgustingly messy) and told us. We bought black net and covered up half of the balcony so the cats could not go over to that side anymore. May be you just talk to them and see if they will consider this option?

Its called Katzennetz/Katzenschutznetz

Cherub 09.06.2020 17:47

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You could try scattering orange peel, cats hate the smell of it and it repels them.

I had a bit of an altercation yesterday with a dog owner in my building, young guy who has a Malamute type of breed that seems to live on his balcony most days. When he can't be bothered taking it for a walk he takes into the courtyard with a ball and the dog jumps on all the plants, flattens them and digs, it also disturbs the stones in the central feature that's for draining rain away. I've complained to the agent before who says dog owners don't have permission to do this. As I'm on a mezzanine level I've had the ball off my French doors before.

Anyway, he was out there yesterday and I was a bit startled when I saw him as my shutters were up, when I looked out he gave me the one finger salute. 5 mins later he rang my bell, I answered and he said he wanted to know why I have a problem with his dog (he's an arrogant little sh1t, nobody here likes him as he's a weirdo). He stayed down the hallway, but purposely put his big dog in front of him off the lead so it was between us, I can only assume to try to intimidate me as I'm late 50s and a woman.

Wrong woman to intimidate I'm afraid, you don't mess with one who's half Scots, half Irish and feisty with it. I made my points and he weedily said "I can see we are not going to get resolution on this", so I just said fine and shut the door.

He's in the habit of leaving the front door to the building wide open when he takes his mutt out, as I can see it from my flat I always go down and shut it because anyone could walk in and nick a bike from the veloroom.

BasP72 09.06.2020 18:57

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
In this case, get one of those high frequency beeping things that annoys dogs but is inaudible to people... and keep on calling verwaltung.

Cherub 09.06.2020 19:35

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When we all first moved in there was a guy in his 60s in that flat, he had the dog and this young guy used to come and look after it when he went away on holiday. Next thing the older guy had moved out and this young guy was there with the dog permanently. At one point he had a very strange GF living there with him, she used to hang around at the front of the building.

The older guy often had a couple of women on his balcony on Friday nights who looked like geriatric streetwalkers with skirts up to their backsides and leather rock chick jackets :eek:

There's another 2 flats on his floor and the neighbours say they suspect he's in there all day smoking weed, aside of being with the dog he doesn't seem to go out. There's always stuff in the courtyard that's fallen from his balcony, beer cans, dog toys and a couple of weeks ago it was an ashtray, about 20 fag butts and an empty packet which our cleaners cleared away. The couple under him were really annoyed as they could see the mess from their balcony. Poor dog is really scruffy as well. He just doesn't care, a shame as this is such a great building with nice people.

John_H 09.06.2020 19:44

Re: Neighbour's cats a nuisance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3189465)
In this case, get one of those high frequency beeping things that annoys dogs but is inaudible to people... and keep on calling verwaltung.

I stayed pepper spray around the area cats were crapping at my place .. it did seem to do the trick until the rain washed it away..

But I've just setup my automatic sprayer for tonight, with the motion sense camera .. Fingers crossed for some wet cats.. They've been absent last few night due to the rain probably.


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