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Indoor vs outdoor cats question

I have a genuine question as I really don't understand the difference.

My friend wanted to get 2 kittens to live in his apartment. He was told he had to buy indoor kittens.... I genuinely thought cats were cats and if you let them outdoors they were outdoor cats and if you didn't they were indoor cats....

My Swiss husband said that this is not true and he thinks they are genetically different (have I married a nutter ?) and that in Switzerland you either get indoor cats bread from indoor cats or outside ones bread from outside ones!!!

My friend has now just got 2 'farm' kittens throwing a whole different 'species into the equation.....

Does anyone have the answer ?
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

They are all the same.

However, same breeds are not well suited to living wild.

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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

That indoor cats are genetically different than outdoor cats is of course nonsense, but maybe he meant wild cats vs house cats.


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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

I hope he was just making it up.... 🤔

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That indoor cats are genetically different than outdoor cats is of course nonsense, but maybe he meant wild cats vs house cats.


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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

A kitten is a kitten, if they never go outside they don’t know any different and become indoor cats by default.
There is no specific breed of indoor cat although some breed are possibly better suited to indoor life than others.
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

Thank you - this is exactly what I thought.

But since I’m allergic and never had one I wasn’t 💯 sure...

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A kitten is a kitten, if they never go outside they don’t know any different and become indoor cats by default.
There is no specific breed of indoor cat although some breed are possibly better suited to indoor life than others.
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

Farm cats are not Feral. They are ‘looked after’ to a certain extent by the farmer. Our village has approximately 6 billion farm cats which miraculously disappear around 17h each day to receive their daily ration of stuff from the farm (You probably don’t want to know)

We have two indoor kittens (Birmans, Sacré de Birmanie) who will become outdoor cats in the fullness of time. We are erecting 15m walls with guard posts, laser beams and force fields in an attempt to keep them straying too far.
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We have two indoor kittens (Birmans, Sacré de Birmanie) who will become outdoor cats in the fullness of time. We are erecting 15m walls with guard posts, laser beams and force fields in an attempt to keep them straying too far.
Hah! Good luck with that. But seriously, 15m walls? Where are you that you can get permission to build them so high? And I can't begin to imagine the cost.

No, on balance I have to assume that you've got the measures wrong. 15m is the height of a 5-storey building, FFS!

EDIT: OK, you got me. You got me good. I hadn't read to the end of the sentence about the laser beams and force fields

And you just know that they'll get out at some point.

One of our neighbours here has recently got a Siamese kitten, totally gorgeous, completely unafraid of all the other cats around, and seems to go by his own set of rules, ignoring cat social norms, to the extent that all the others seem completely bemused and not sure how to treat him. He does actively play with one of another neighbours cats.

Anyway, they've fitted a GPS tracker on a harness round his shoulders, on the basis that he's so much in and out of everyone's houses that he will fairly soon get locked in somewhere, if it hasn't already happened. Maybe that would be a better, and cheaper, approach...

@OP, yes, as others have said, specific exotic breeds apart, a cat is a cat is a cat. But even just a few weeks of early life in a semi-open environment may encourage them to want to escape, so best to choose kittens that aren't from a farm and have never been outside at all.
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

A figure the laser beams will keep them in ... well, except in the daytime.
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

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A figure the laser beams will keep them in ... well, except in the daytime.
Not if there´s a red dot at the end of it
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

You have married a nutter

There is no genetic difference, but there is a difference in conditioning. The first 7 weeks of a kittens life are crucial to how it responds to it's environment. If for example you want a cat to be able to go outside, you need to tell the breeder and they will introduce the cats to the environment outside of the house, grass, other cats or dogs etc.

I have 2 Siamese cats who I got as 'indoor' cats only. At the time I never anticipated letting them out. When I found myself with a grounds floor apartment and a garden, I thought to let them out. They could never deal with it, the grass was foreign and they were insecure about their territory and started spraying. It really got out of control and I took them off to an animal behavior specialist who told me about the first few weeks of their life.

I could never introduce them to the outside world, so they are indoor cats exclusively.

My advice would be to have them exposed to the outdoors. You can always bring a cat inside, but you can't always let them become outdoors cats.

Whether farm cats or from a breeder, you can always make indoor cats of them, but not necessarily the other way round.

Maybe this is what your husband means.

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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

For me, all cats are outdoor cats by nature. If I could not have outdoor cats safely, I just would not have cats.
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Not if there´s a red dot at the end of it
Those lasers are much more expensive and don’t have a 15m range.
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I have a genuine question as I really don't understand the difference.

My friend wanted to get 2 kittens to live in his apartment. He was told he had to buy indoor kittens.... I genuinely thought cats were cats and if you let them outdoors they were outdoor cats and if you didn't they were indoor cats....

My Swiss husband said that this is not true and he thinks they are genetically different (have I married a nutter ?) and that in Switzerland you either get indoor cats bread from indoor cats or outside ones bread from outside ones!!!

My friend has now just got 2 'farm' kittens throwing a whole different 'species into the equation.....

Does anyone have the answer ?
First of all: well done on wanting to get two, kittens (and adult cats) definitely do best with a friend to play with.

The shelters will probably refuse to give you kittens for indoor only living as there is a strong belief from many sectors that outdoor is the only way (Exhibit A: The judgmental post from JackieH).

While there is no genetic difference, I would say that you have a lower risk of the kittens becoming Houdini when it comes to trying to find a way to get outside if neither they nor their parents or even grandparents have ever known the great outdoors. This usually means getting a pedigree cat of some kind, although there are plenty of irresponsible owners who don't spay/neuter their cats and basically see what mix their cat produces. They then sell the kittens, sometimes labelling them as "[insert pedigree]-mix".

Please do not give these people money, there are currently 300'000 strays in Switzerland and unless you are a professional breeder trying to produce healthy cats in line with a breed standard, there is absolutely no good reason for you to create additional cats. I would even question the practices of some of the "professionals" following the experience I had with my most recent addition, he is very cute but not quite right in the head.

Yes, some people "don't get around" to spaying/neutering their cats. While I have zero understanding for not doing something this important, I get that to err is to be human. If you (or rather, one of your pets) have an accident resulting in offspring and give them away for free, fine, but then get the pet spayed/neutered so it does not happen again.
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Mexico will pay for it, of course....
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

Some breeds are best suited to indoor living, British shorthair, etc, but, its not a definitive. We've had 3 cats in my family's history, 2 of which died to cars.

IMO a cat / pet is family whose life and health i am responsible for. I wouldnt let my own cat go running wild across the roads etc and roam about where they face predators and other territorial cats who will fight and injure them.
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

Kittster- my post is not judgemental- it is my sincerely held opinion. All our cats have been outdoor cats, because we lived in suitable areas away from main roads and with large garden. And all were of course sterilised. Why is it 'judgemental' to say that I personally would not choose to have indoor cats? And it is of course an opinion shared with practically all SPAs. All our cats have lived very long lives. I would never keep an animal in a cage, however big and comfortable the cage.

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Kittster- my post is not judgemental- it is my sincerely held opinion. All our cats have been outdoor cats, because we lived in suitable areas away from main roads and with large garden. And all were of course sterilised. Why is it 'judgemental' to say that I personally would not choose to have indoor cats? And it is of course an opinion shared with practically all SPAs. All our cats have lived very long lives. I would never keep an animal in a cage, however big and comfortable the cage.
Well, if that one wasn't, this one certainly is. Losing cats to car collisions and once happening upon a cat that had been hit and was beyond help, I won't let my cats roam freely ever again. Bite me.
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Kittster- my post is not judgemental- it is my sincerely held opinion. All our cats have been outdoor cats, because we lived in suitable areas away from main roads and with large garden. And all were of course sterilised. Why is it 'judgemental' to say that I personally would not choose to have indoor cats? And it is of course an opinion shared with practically all SPAs. All our cats have lived very long lives. I would never keep an animal in a cage, however big and comfortable the cage.
It would be cruel to put mine out into the world-wide monkey cage. They wouldn't survive 10 minutes. They're Siamese (if you please, or don't please) - when I did try and introduce them to the world, they walked into some strangers house in the village and moved in seeking the comfort and safety of a cage and luckily that person came walking around looking for the owner.

You haven't met my cats, in fact they're not like other cats - they're weird people in cat pyjamas. They're the laziest creatures on on earth and have had any survival sensibility bred out of them.

Anyway, much like a**holes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some more than others.

Cage, no matter how big or comfortable ...
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Re: Indoor vs outdoor cats question

Same for mine. Younger floof will deign to go outside briefly on his leash to look at birdies and get loved on by random people passing but older floof wants nothing to do with "outdoors".
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