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Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

Hi

I couldn't find reference to this in my searches of past threads so here goes...

We have picked up a Doberman from a rescue centre in Hungary where we currently live, and the poor girl has cropped ears as well as the usual docked tail.

I can't seem to get any sense out of the relocation agency, so I was wondering if anybody has experience of relocating under these conditions?

I heard somewhere (always dangerous) that you need to show some sort of proof of 6 months' ownership prior to importation (Hungary is not known for amazing paperwork).

Thanks for any help!

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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

Hi,
I don't know about the ownership, but you do need proof of needles. Some animals are not allowed due to tempers and dangers to others. Where you cannot vouch for the sanity of the animal, you may have a hard time.
why don't you find a local one? Less paperwork.
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

Hi
She's got full EU pet passport & chipped and is absolutely fine in terms of temperament (we had to be careful as we have a 2 year old boy plus an elderly dog already; I've owned several Dobes before so "know" them as much as one might). We've already got her so picking one up in CH isn't an option.

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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

Hi Andrew-

Have you seen these sites... ?

Importing Pets to Switzerland
http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/imm...portation.html

Swiss federal veterinary office SFVO
information and official documents required for the import/reimport of dogs into Switzerland
http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/0161...x.html?lang=en

Here...

http://www.bvet.admin.ch/ein_ausfuhr...x.html?lang=en

It says...

CAVE: imports of dogs with docked ears and / cropped tail are prohibited.

The only exceptions are dogs of owners who live abroad and come for holidays or short stays in Switzerland or relocate to this country. The latter applies only to those animals which have already been kept by the relocating person for a long time before moving to Switzerland, and they must in principle be imported at the same time as the person relocating. Please enquire with the relevant customs authorities well in advance of importing such a dog as to the precise formalities and whether the criteria regarding holidays or relocation apply in your case.
Some information on animals in the case of relocation can also be found at www.zoll.admin.ch > Zollinformationen Private > Umzug, Heirat, Erbschaft (not available in English). If these criteria are not met, dogs with docked ears and/or tails will be turned back at the border.


You find more details in the following leaflet (in German):


You are welcome to join us here...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dogs-Switzerland

and ask. Perhaps someone there has done it.

Good luck with your moving preparations!!!
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She's got full EU pet passport
Andrew
But we are not in the EU, and if Carmens documents are true, looks like you are in the doghouse now .
good luck
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But we are not in the EU, and if Carmens documents are true, looks like you are in the doghouse now .
good luck
CH isn't in the EU?

I'm hoping they won't notice eh? Perhaps I can sellotape her ears down and attach a papier mache tail extension....
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

get your vet or rescue centre to document why it happened (the docking). Docking can happen when health reasons necessitate it.

Also I believe the fact that the animal is a rescue might work in your favour. How long have you had the dog and how flexible is your vet?
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

Good thought on the vet! We will have owned her more than 6 months by the time we move...

We have 2 rescue hounds, the other been with us for 12 years, so I'm hoping they realise we are genuine and not just trying to import a snarling beast from Eastern Europe, to lay waste to the general population and to kittens in particular
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

thankfully Dobies are not on the real shitlist here - yet.

I have two child killers on the sofa with me. So my neighbours would have you believe
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

hi Andrew, I can share a second-hand experience (my in-laws) who imported their dog from Hungary several years ago when they moved back to Switzerland. Their dog's tail wasn't cropped and his ears not docked, but the point I wanted to make is this: it could be worth getting in touch with the Kantonstierarzt wherever you'll be settling down, which I see from your profile is Zug.

Mr. Bartholemew wrote to the Kantonstierarzt for his parents - I mean on the dog's behalf - when they were having trouble with the federal authority, BVET, in importing the dog. This woman proved very tenacious on the dog's part, and though we never met her, she saw us through the whole process and at one point called BVET in Bern to speed up the bureaucracy and basically overrule their objections.

Perhaps its worth appealing to your Kantonstierarzt if you get a flat-out no on the grounds that - as the others rightly point out - importing dogs with cropped tails and/or docked ears is illegal. After all, she is a rescue dog, been living in your family peacably for six months, etc.

As to the paperwork proving ownership, my experience with Hungary is that you can get pretty much any documentation you'd like for the right price
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

My daughter attempted to import a docked tail spaniel puppy from the UK and was refused entry. She was warned that if she did manage to get the puppy past the customs without a problem she would then be prevented by the local police in Vaud form getting it licenced. She eventually imported o spaniel puppy without a docked tail.
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My daughter attempted to import a docked tail spaniel puppy from the UK and was refused entry. She was warned that if she did manage to get the puppy past the customs without a problem she would then be prevented by the local police in Vaud form getting it licenced. She eventually imported o spaniel puppy without a docked tail.
This is because it was a puppy. Importing docked/cropped PUPPIES in absolutelty FORBIDDEN. The point is to STOP the practice of docking/cropping.

However if you already own a docked/cropped animal and you are relocating to Switzerland then an exception can be made. The dog must have been your pet before you moved to Switzerland and come in with you at the border.

You can NOT buy & bring in a cropped/docked animal AFTER you have been living in Switzerland.
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

We just imported our cocker spaniel to Switzerland from the U.S. who has a docked tail, just a couple of weeks ago. We had absolutely no issues. I think if he were a puppy it might have been different but to be honest, no one even looked twice at him or checked his paperwork except for the airline in New York. We flew to Geneva.
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

We recently imported our dog with a docked tail from South Africa, but via France. We drove them over the boarder and when we were stopped by customs we actually helped them find the website and the correct information. I don't think it is something that they deal with every day, so we found it helpful to be fully prepared and arrived with all our emails printed out. We had to be able to prove that he had been with us for 6 months, was chipped and that his vacinations were up to date. I was in touch with the national Vet her in Switzerland beforehand. Here is the website they told me to get information from: http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/01614/01884/01888/index.html?lang=en and her is the email address where I contacted them: info@bvet.admin.ch
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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

get a paper from the hungarian rescue centre. and make sure you have your import documents ready in case anyone here in switzerland asks question (which they will). Should you require dogwalking/care-services please check www.funandplay.ch

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Re: Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

i imported my dog this year from the US, she has a docked tail. i would say they really dont check the dog, but more just look briefly in the cage and then ask about paper work. and there seems to be a new tax on traveling with your dog, i was charged like 100chf. i just cary all the original dog papers with me, and a copy of it in folded and put on a luggage tag on the cage. i also had to point out the the US puts the chip on the other side of the dogs sholder. they tried totrick me with that.

but ithink the law says you can not import a dog (with docking) if you are a citizen in switzerland. nor can you take a swiss dog out of the country and dock them and reimport.

but really as long as you have your rabies vaccination, proof the dog is in good health and a chip, you should be fine at the border.
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Importing a dog with docked tail/cropped ears?

I have just been checking everything for the move out in September and have been reading about bring your pets. They already have a pet passport each but I've just had a panic!

Both of them are docked as they are Cocker spaniels and they were done before the docking ban came into effect. However I'm reading that they can't be imported into Switzerland cos they are docked. Please tell me that this isn't true and that there is a form we need to complete instead.

Help is desperately required!

Thanks for your help
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Re: OMG - please help!

Perhaps in your panic you forgot the search button and/or google.. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time

Look herehttp://www.englishforum.ch/other-gen...pped-ears.html

I do not think you will have any trouble with your pets.

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Re: OMG - please help!

Thank you for the quick reply
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We just imported our cocker spaniel to Switzerland from the U.S. who has a docked tail, just a couple of weeks ago. We had absolutely no issues. I think if he were a puppy it might have been different but to be honest, no one even looked twice at him or checked his paperwork except for the airline in New York. We flew to Geneva.
Yes, when I moved here with my Pinscher (who actually have here tail...) nobody was checking her out so much. Just briefly looked at her papers...
But, I co-own a male dog how I attended to bring to Switz too, but he is docked and this is causing me bit of worries. But if I "don't tell" - maybe there will not be problems?
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