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Old 29.08.2020, 19:29
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Re: Doctor for Emotional Support Animal

OP, next time choose an emotional support cricket. Rides in one's pocket for free.
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Old 29.08.2020, 19:47
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Yes, looks like she did.



Still, the OP hasn't come back yet to say what type of animal so until she does all these suggestions are sort of moot.
That means we can extract the urine with impunity.
So perhaps itīs an emotional support snake, try to explain to the airline that you want snakes on a plane.
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Old 29.08.2020, 19:50
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Did you think of cruises? For instance it used to be possible to take a dog aboard the Queen Mary 2 for its cruise Hamburg - Southampton - NY.

Schedules due to Covid are likely to be an issue nowadays, still it may be worh looking into.
I looked into this rather extensively some years ago, the things I learned, detailed in this thread, haven't changed as far as I know. So far... who knows if/how post-COVID the cruise industry might end up re-inventing itself?

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...ship-pets.html

In any event, the set-up, while fine for many pets, meant that travel on the QM2 would not have been appropriate for my guys.

(That thread makes for wistful reading, as the three I was concerned about then have in the intervening years each made their way to canine Valhalla.)
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Old 29.08.2020, 19:57
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canine Valhalla.)
Now that has just triggered my imagination...
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I looked into this rather extensively some years ago, the things I learned, detailed in this thread, haven't changed as far as I know. So far... who knows if/how post-COVID the cruise industry might end up re-inventing itself?

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...ship-pets.html

In any event, the set-up, while fine for many pets, meant that travel on the QM2 would not have been appropriate for my guys.

(That thread makes for wistful reading, as the three I was concerned about then have in the intervening years each made their way to canine Valhalla.)
Reading your other thread. I donít understand if Southampton is not an entry point for pets, why someone couldnít drive to Dover with pet then on to Southampton. But also wonder if Southampton is not an entry point for pets, what happens with animals coming in the opposite direction on the QM2?
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Reading your other thread. I don’t understand if Southampton is not an entry point for pets, why someone couldn’t drive to Dover with pet then on to Southampton. But also wonder if Southampton is not an entry point for pets, what happens with animals coming in the opposite direction on the QM2?
That thread was from 2011, before the UK normalized pet travel with the EU. Things got a bit easier once the UK decided to harmonize with EU pet travel regs.

But now with Brexit...

FWIW, here's the current (August 2020) list of sea ports where a pet may enter the UK:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...es-you-can-use

This can change, anyone traveling to the UK should contact DEFRA (Are they still called that?) for the latest info.

Speakng of which, EU-UK travel as of 1 Jan 2021:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-trav...e-after-brexit
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Re: Doctor for Emotional Support Animal

Another comment:

The OP is under no obligation to us to elaborate on her use of an ESA.

Much of the disability protection/ acessibility/ accommodation legislation was developed because of attitudes similar to some shown in this thread.


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FYI for those interested in the topic, here's a white paper by the AVMA, 'Assistance Animals: Rights of Access and the Problem of Fraud', which discuss finding the balance between ensuring access for those in need and combating those gaming the system.

https://www.avma.org/sites/default/f...Fraud-AVMA.pdf
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Old 30.08.2020, 15:03
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Re: Doctor for Emotional Support Animal

My dog leaves me in need of emotional support... does that count? I say he's my therapy dog... because he puts me there
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Old 30.08.2020, 15:22
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My dog leaves me in need of emotional support... does that count? I say he's my therapy dog... because he puts me there
Do plants count? I have managed to raise an emotional support avocado.
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The OP is under no obligation to us to elaborate on her use of an ESA.

Much of the disability protection/ acessibility/ accommodation legislation was developed because of attitudes similar to some shown in this thread.


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FYI for those interested in the topic, here's a white paper by the AVMA, 'Assistance Animals: Rights of Access and the Problem of Fraud', which discuss finding the balance between ensuring access for those in need and combating those gaming the system.

https://www.avma.org/sites/default/f...Fraud-AVMA.pdf
Yes. So much this. Thank you.
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Re: Doctor for Emotional Support Animal

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The OP is under no obligation to us to elaborate on her use of an ESA.
Thank you Melloncollie for another well written and informative post.

But it appears that the OP sees no obligation to return to this thread either. There doesnít appear to be much point debating something amongst ourselves when we donít have all the facts.
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Old 30.08.2020, 18:38
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Do plants count? I have managed to raise an emotional support avocado.
I know you think youíre being funny but itís not funny for people who do genuinely need emotional support animals and there are various reasons why people might need one.
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Old 30.08.2020, 21:00
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I know you think youíre being funny but itís not funny for people who do genuinely need emotional support animals and there are various reasons why people might need one.
Yes I understand and your are correct, it is a cheap shot to low hanging fruit.
But, having had to fly from Kansas to Chicago next to a woman with an emotional support (I think it was a chihuaua) yipper mutt I read up on ESAīs only to find that there is almost no evidence to support the need for an ESA. So all in all I have it down as one of these silly American things.
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I know you think you’re being funny but it’s not funny for people who do genuinely need emotional support animals and there are various reasons why people might need one.
Very true. However the OP does not actually state that their animal is a support/service animal of any kind... just that they need said paperwork to fly with it. Many people have been abusing the emotional support animal route, in order to fly with their pets, hence now the rules are tighter. I half jokingly considered trying to pass my dog off as my therapy dog in order to fly with him.... however with his behaviour there is not a chance we could pull it off

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The OP is under no obligation to us to elaborate on her use of an ESA.

Much of the disability protection/ acessibility/ accommodation legislation was developed because of attitudes similar to some shown in this thread.
FWIW, I think the poster, based on the few posts made before is probably genuine.

The disability protection/accessibility/accommodation legislation that has been developed isn't part of Swiss law, so far as I know, so there is no obligation for EF to enforce it. This is not, in those terms, a safe space.

While I utterly applaud the useful information you've given (and always do), this is a public comment forum. That means morons and helpful people will make their comments and we who post here have to cope with it.

Having said that, I'm off to the https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...mb-usa-52.html thread to see what's the latest objection some idiots have taken to what seemed to be my perfectly non-partisan post...
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I have a bigger issue when even the mods start belittling posters about serious questions.
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Old 30.08.2020, 22:33
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Having said that, I'm off to the https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...mb-usa-52.html thread to see what's the latest objection some idiots have taken to what seemed to be my perfectly non-partisan post...
Sorry i triggered you :roll eyes:

It must really have gotten to you, you've brought it to another thread lol.

Can you stop now with the insults and the attempts to stifle discussion, please?

Thank you.
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I have a bigger problem when even the mods start belittling posters about serious questions.
Itís true, although weíve been told countless times that mods are entitled to their own opinions - and as itís a public forum, mods can be just as snide and thoughtless as the rest of us.
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Itís true, although weíve been told countless times that mods are entitled to their own opinions - and as itís a public forum, mods can be just as snide and thoughtless as the rest of us.
Imagine you're a serious poster reaching out to this board for help and a mod makes fun of you. It pisses me off every time I see it.
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Imagine you're a serious poster reaching out to this board for help and a mod makes fun of you. It pisses me off every time I see it.
Actually it was 2 mods. This place is great sometimes for info, and lots of navel gazing (or nasal grazing) but support.....nah. Not so much.
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