Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Pet corner  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:25
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 67 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 2,837 Times in 1,025 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Dog questions, never had a dog.

In the near or far future I will live in the mountains and was thinking that maybe I could get a dog for company. I have some thoughts that maybe you could help me with?

a) I don't like being tied down or deal with the responsibility hence I never had kids. A dog I assume will be almost like a kid? More loyal probably so a definite upgrade? Costly as well?

b) I don't like the way they smell or their hair going on everything. Someone said keep the dog outside. I think that would be cruel, if I get one then it will get all my love. Maybe I will get used to the hair and smell? Just keep cleaning and washing the dog?

c) Male or female? Are male dogs more protective and strong? If I get a male dog and it gets the neighbourhood bitch pregnant, will I be liable for costs? Castrate?

d) Which breed? I don't want a huge dog neither a tiny one that looks like a rat. Golden retriever, Shiba Inu, Jack Russell Terrier I seem to like visually. Temperamentally Golden retriever might be the best?

e) I don't like dogs drooling everywhere or on me! Also collecting their poo part is not very appealing

As you can tell I never owned a pet. Maybe a cat would be better but I can't take it hiking nor will it guard the house.

Before anyone recommends a goat, yes it could come hiking but won't guard the house

Last edited by Talk to you later; 21.09.2020 at 12:39.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:37
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 5,902
Groaned at 99 Times in 64 Posts
Thanked 6,597 Times in 2,990 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
I don't like being tied down or deal with the responsibility hence I never had kids. A dog I assume will be almost like a kid? More loyal probably so a definite upgrade? Costly as well?
Very tying. Very expensive. Unless it is small enough, well behaved enough to take everywhere with you, then you need someone who will look after it for you when you can't.

Quote:
View Post
I don't like the way they smell or their hair going on everything. Someone said keep the dog outside. I think that would be cruel, if I get one then it will get all my love. Maybe I will get used to the hair and smell? Just keep cleaning and washing the dog?
Maybe look at hypoallergenic breeds that shed less? I love dogs but shedding drives me crazy!

Quote:
View Post
Male or female? Are male dogs more protective and strong? If I get a male dog and it gets the neighbourhood bitch pregnant, will I be liable for costs? Castrate?
Male are more likely to roam/run off and are trickier to handle. Females are more loyal and likely to say near by... even if male is castrated (just my experience).

Quote:
View Post
I don't like dogs drooling everywhere or on me! Also collection their poo part is not very appealing
Maybe dogs aren't for you
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 8,420
Groaned at 296 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 19,401 Times in 6,748 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

I've found the perfect dog for you: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/7500...ke-a-look.html
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:46
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 67 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 2,837 Times in 1,025 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
Male are more likely to roam/run off and are trickier to handle. Females are more loyal and likely to say near by... even if male is castrated (just my experience).

Do I need to put them on pill so that they don't get pregnant? Are they scared of male dogs?

Quote:
Maybe dogs aren't for you
Yes looks like that My dog balloon burst before it could even take off
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:48
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: VD
Posts: 405
Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 432 Times in 222 Posts
AnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Perhaps a dog is not for you They are indeed a lot of responsibility, a lot of work, even the non-shedding ones can have an odor and since they are non shedding you have to do a lot more grooming work. If one day you do consider getting a dog I would suggest doing the no-longer-mandatory preparation or “theory” classes, find a trainer and spend some time watching other people train their dogs. Consider adopting an adult. A puppy is a bit like having a newborn and a toddler all at once, albeit not quite on the same scale and certainly for less time but raising a puppy really is an exercise in parenting. Dogs four and up are typically past adolescence and are fully mature adults and will be “easier” to commit to in the sense that if you work with a good shelter/rescue you will know most or all of their faults/difficulties/etc before committing whereas with a puppy you are more or less in for a surprise as even the best breeder can’t 100% predict temperament and character, to say nothing of the effects of early training screw ups on long term behavior. My trainer says that generally by the fourth puppy a person can raise a pup more or less perfectly. I’m on my third and can assure you I’m still making plenty of mistakes though I do catch myself faster than I did with numbers one and two.

Just to be clear though, I typically spend 3-4 hours a day just on the dogs, wither that’s training or walking or grooming etc, and that’s only counting the time that I’m 100% focused on them. Otherwise every waking hour I know their general location and have half an eye on them in case they get into something etc.

Edit: expenses. Yes expensive. Our bitch we purchased for 1,000 francs. Food is roughly 80/month, bones and toys that first year were nearly 30/month as she needed a lot of interactive stuff. She was crazy and very difficult. I went to dog class AT LEAST once a week (25/time). Vaccinations are between 80-120/year typically. She broke some teeth in an accident ... 600 francs. She had a skin infection ... 100 francs. She ate through her leashes, about 5 francs every month for 18 months. Her harness was nearly 100 francs as was her bed. Pee cleaning supplies cost easily 20/month whilst they’re young and still having accidents.

Our male pup we got for 600 francs off a family that paid 1,800 but couldn’t handle him and needed to find him a new home. So far we’ve spend more than 200 francs on chiropractic visits because he has a bad shoulder. Likely going to have to do xrays for probably 400. Who knows how much surgery will be if he needs it. My husband stepped on his paw last night, thankfully it’s going to be ok but that was a late night call to the emergency vet who calmed us down. No X-ray needed but it could have easily been broken. My bitch’s sister broke her elbow last summer, that cost them 3,000 francs. I could go on ...

Last edited by AnnaSophiaA; 21.09.2020 at 12:58.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank AnnaSophiaA for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 21.09.2020, 12:52
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: VD
Posts: 405
Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 432 Times in 222 Posts
AnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond reputeAnnaSophiaA has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
Do I need to put them on pill so that they don't get pregnant? Are they scared of male dogs?


Yes looks like that My dog balloon burst before it could even take off
A female is receptive to males typically for a two week period every six to twelve months. My bitch (the technical term for an intact female dog) comes into season every seven months for about fifteen days, roughly nine of which she is receptive to males and could fall pregnant. She bleeds those fifteen days and has to wear panties in the house. She has to be kept on a leash and 100% under supervision during that time. Our intact male has to go stay with friends.

I do prefer females, but I know many who prefer males. You can spay/neuter them but depending on the breed itís advisable to wait until full sexual and physical maturity. Personally I donít spay/neuter unless thereís a valid health reason. I am fully capable of managing my intact dogs and I donít have issues with that. I prefer them keeping their hormones. Males can get a vasectomy, and in some countries you can find vets who will do an ovarian-sparing spay so that the female keeps her hormones but loses the ability to get pregnant.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank AnnaSophiaA for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 21.09.2020, 13:50
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Japan
Posts: 341
Groaned at 24 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 529 Times in 222 Posts
Plau Deri has an excellent reputationPlau Deri has an excellent reputationPlau Deri has an excellent reputationPlau Deri has an excellent reputation
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

A k9 cop, who also had kids told me that a dog is about as care intensive as a three-year-old. Having had many dogs (but no kids) I can kind of relate to that
And it isn't only about the picking up of the poop, it's also about picking up the diarrhoea and the barf...

If you're not convinced that a dog really is, what you want, it probably isn't.

I'd say, give it a little time, get accustomed to your new house and its surroundings and take it from there.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Plau Deri for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 21.09.2020, 13:55
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 67 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 2,837 Times in 1,025 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Thanks for the kind info you all shared. The logical conclusion is that I won't be getting a dog
Edit- Respect to all the dog owners.

Last edited by Talk to you later; 21.09.2020 at 14:09.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Talk to you later for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 21.09.2020, 14:24
John_H's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Up above Nyon
Posts: 4,117
Groaned at 113 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 5,609 Times in 2,163 Posts
John_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

I've just spent 2 hours cleaning dog hair from the car for the millionth time.. It's impossible to get all of it out. Don't get a dog..

Also just spent yet another weekend away saying oh we can't take the dog there, oh dogs not allowed there, oh i'll have to stand here with the dog while you go swimming.. etc etc.. Don't get a dog.

Lawn ruined for the zillionth time with dead circles of grass where the dog pissed .. Don't get a dog.

Dog turd over the garden because nobody can be bothered to take it out.. Don't get a dog..

I'm just getting much less tolerant as i age.. I didn't really want another dog this time around, for all of these reasons plus many others .. But was assured a million times that none of this would happen.

It did happen .. Don't get a dog.. Borrow somebody else's dog and give it back.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank John_H for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 21.09.2020, 14:57
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: na
Posts: 10,991
Groaned at 34 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 25,969 Times in 8,027 Posts
meloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Given your reservations, I'm glad to see you have re-thought this idea for now. But should the idea arise again:

Quote:
View Post
If one day you do consider getting a dog I would suggest doing the no-longer-mandatory preparation or “theory” classes, find a trainer and spend some time watching other people train their dogs.
This, this and this.

If you again get a hankering for a dog sometime in the future, the first thing you should do is take the NHB Theory course. You can read all about it here:
https://www.nhb-bpc.dog

This course is designed to prepare you for dog ownership 'the Swiss way'. And believe me, the Swiss way might surprise you.

The second thing you should do is hop over to the Tier Im Recht foundation site, where these good folks have compiled a summary of the cantonal dog laws. You might be surprised by what you are required to do in order to own one.

https://www.tierimrecht.org/en/legal...onal-Dog-Laws/

---

Thre is only one reason to ever get a dog: Because you love them with all your heart.

In all their expensive, messy, smelly, drooly, shedding, expensive, stroppy, barky, whack-doodle, Flausen-im-Kopf, expensive, time-consuming, social-life-limiting, Nachbarkreig-triggering, demanding, and did-I-mention-expensive glory...

...ya just gotta love 'em.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank meloncollie for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 21.09.2020, 15:08
3Wishes's Avatar
Moderately Amused
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bern area
Posts: 11,157
Groaned at 88 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 18,906 Times in 8,422 Posts
3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Get a cat or two instead. There's still a bit of hair but not much especially if you choose a shorthair breed. They're not drooly. You rarely have to pick up their poo if you let them be indoor-outdoor cats.

You can have more than one cat to keep you company. They come and go as they please and in the winter time are happy to snuggle by the fire. Ask Big Mara about living up in the hills with cats - works great!

But definitely spay or neuter, you probably don't want a truckload of kittens.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank 3Wishes for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 21.09.2020, 15:21
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 67 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 2,837 Times in 1,025 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

I have to wait 24 hrs before I can hand out any more positive reputation to all of you for such helpful advice. Thank you!
Yes I will get a cat if I really decided to get a pet.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 21.09.2020, 15:39
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 5,208
Groaned at 292 Times in 206 Posts
Thanked 7,122 Times in 3,355 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
I have to wait 24 hrs before I can hand out any more positive reputation to all of you for such helpful advice. Thank you!
Yes I will get a cat if I really decided to get a pet.
No, get two. Cats are very sociable and just one would probably be bored silly with only you about.

We have two kittens in the house. I couldnít possibly entertain one the way they entertain each other ...
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 21.09.2020, 16:20
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 482
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

A dog will help you live longer, so help counteract living a depressing life alone in a hut on a mountain.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank CodPeace for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 21.09.2020, 16:31
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 67 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 2,837 Times in 1,025 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
A dog will help you live longer, so help counteract living a depressing life alone in a hut on a mountain.
Honestly, nothing depressing about living in a goat hut up on a mountain. It depends on your personality. Also any extra time I earn will be lost on picking poo and cleaning?

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 21.09.2020, 16:51
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 482
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
Honestly, nothing depressing about living in a goat hut up on a mountain. It depends on your personality. Also any extra time I earn will be lost on picking poo and cleaning?
I never mentioned goats, seems you may have already have 'company' in mind for those long, lonely nights
But back to dogs. Get one, it will change your life for the better.
You will adapt, like people do when kids come along.

Or the sensible alternative, do some dogsitting, maybe for a couple of weeks while someone goes on holiday. You'll soon find out if you have a taste for it.
Volunteer at the dog shelter as well.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank CodPeace for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 22.09.2020, 01:34
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Zurich
Posts: 218
Groaned at 35 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 193 Times in 112 Posts
NotSwissEnough has annoyed a few people around hereNotSwissEnough has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
I never mentioned goats, seems you may have already have 'company' in mind for those long, lonely nights
But back to dogs. Get one, it will change your life for the better.
You will adapt, like people do when kids come along.
.
Please don't get a pet or have a kid if you don't want one.

It's not fair to the pet, the kid or the neighbours.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank NotSwissEnough for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 22.09.2020, 07:55
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,781
Groaned at 346 Times in 282 Posts
Thanked 15,747 Times in 8,052 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

If you don't think you can take care of a dog or can devote some of your time to a dog, then don't get a dog. As simple as that.

Besides you don't need a dog to scare off the wolves and the bears as there are only a few of those living in the Swiss Alps and you can inform yourself in advance about the areal where they hang out...
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 23.09.2020, 12:32
Bozza's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 535
Groaned at 12 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 349 Times in 193 Posts
Bozza has earned some respectBozza has earned some respect
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

Quote:
View Post
In the near or far future I will live in the mountains and was thinking that maybe I could get a dog for company. I have some thoughts that maybe you could help me with?

a) I don't like being tied down or deal with the responsibility hence I never had kids. A dog I assume will be almost like a kid? More loyal probably so a definite upgrade? Costly as well?

b) I don't like the way they smell or their hair going on everything. Someone said keep the dog outside. I think that would be cruel, if I get one then it will get all my love. Maybe I will get used to the hair and smell? Just keep cleaning and washing the dog?

c) Male or female? Are male dogs more protective and strong? If I get a male dog and it gets the neighbourhood bitch pregnant, will I be liable for costs? Castrate?

d) Which breed? I don't want a huge dog neither a tiny one that looks like a rat. Golden retriever, Shiba Inu, Jack Russell Terrier I seem to like visually. Temperamentally Golden retriever might be the best?

e) I don't like dogs drooling everywhere or on me! Also collecting their poo part is not very appealing

As you can tell I never owned a pet. Maybe a cat would be better but I can't take it hiking nor will it guard the house.

Before anyone recommends a goat, yes it could come hiking but won't guard the house
Props to you for asking and being upfront and thoughtful about the things you will accept and things you won't.

As a single person it's very nice to come home to someone who loves you and my old lady is definitely an overall positive impact on my life with getting me out of the house and helping me to make friends. That said, when she dies, I don't think I could get a puppy and raise it/train it alone while working, it is a lot of time investment in those first couple of years. I might think about getting an older dog but then you're likely to get one that's not been well trained.

As others said, the smell and the hair are solvable as is the drool (by avoiding certain breeds). I think you'll also get used to the poo situation but you will need to give it attention, training and affection. Compared to kids, it's much easier to leave behind but harder to travel with.

Anyway, as others said, perhaps that's not for you, but I also think you can make it work. I would try taking one from friends/family for a week and see what happens and how you feel afterwards.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Bozza for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 23.09.2020, 13:15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Here
Posts: 478
Groaned at 58 Times in 48 Posts
Thanked 1,330 Times in 492 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dog questions, never had a dog.

To be blunt, if you're not prepared and willing to pick up the poo, don't get a dog.

That having been said, Labradors are fantastic.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank RufusB for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tax Questions TSV_2002 Finance/banking/taxation 3 15.04.2013 10:12
State Schools in Geneva Questions Questions Questions! NEED advice! Aoi Family matters/health 3 24.06.2012 01:49
Job questions transition Employment 1 25.06.2009 14:21
Help me with these French questions - same sex partnership questions comedy Language corner 6 30.04.2009 00:09
Which questions should we ask? Naps Finance/banking/taxation 0 23.03.2007 19:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:46.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0