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How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

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I need to find a good dog trainer, experienced in working with anxious and fearful dogs. How should I approach it in Switzerland?

Are there any special requirements for one to call themselves a dog trainer or like in most countries, there are almost no regulations, maybe a couple of hours of courses at best? Unfortunately, after I worked with some trainers, it was clear to me that they had no clue how to help my dog and his problems only got worse.

I need a really good one, a 'dog whisperer' kind of a trainer and I have no idea how to find one.

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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

'Dog trainer' is not a protected title in Switzerland - unfortunately. Anyone can, theoretically, set up shop calling themself a dog trainer.

Fortunately, though, many dog trainers in Switzerland are indeed responsible, professionally-minded, and have pursued various education routes.

Note that in some cantons in Switzerland there are types of dog training courses that do indeed require the trainer have certification.

Cantons where some kind of education is mandated for certain dogs, trainers offering those courses must be certified. For instance, Zürich is one such canton; the trainers offering the List 1 training courses must follow a specific education and attain certification by approved organizations.

Additionally, trainers who offer the NHB (National Hundehalter Brevet), a course not mandated but nationally recognized, will all have gone through NHB certification.

I bring certification up because while these courses do not specifically address anxiety and similar behaviors (the mandated courses tend to be generalist courses), trainers certified to do these classes will have positive training methods as the core of their philosophy - so the lists of approved trainers for mandated courses is often a good place to start looking for a trainer for a dog with special needs. Many of these offer training beyond the mandated courses, and might do other courses or 1-1 sessions that would be appropriate for you and your dog.

I'm steering you towards trainers who embrace positive training methods because with an anxious or fearful dog you need to weed out the trainers who are still using fear, intimidation, flooding, or pain. These kinds of trainers - often who espouse the widely debunked 'dominance' theory - are absolutely the wrong sorts for an anxious or fearful dog. So much harm has been done by this idea, and it's popular misunderstanding and misuse. I bring this up because you used the 'whisperer' term. The celebrity most associated with that term is an example of the kind of training I would strongly urge you to avoid.

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To help you find the right kind of help for your dog, first a quesiton: Do you think you and your dog need to work with a trainer, a behaviorist, or even a specialist in behavioral medicine? All three exist in Switzerland.

A trainer is a generalist, someone who works with all sorts of dogs, whose primary goal is to give you the skills to teach your dog how to harmoniously live in the human world.

A behaviorist is a specialized form of training, a behaviorist focuses on dogs whose behavior shows that they face challenges that other dogs do not. A behaviorist typically has pursued additional education and gathered a wide range of skills to help address the issues these dogs might have.

A specialist in behavioral medicine is a licensed veterinarian who has pursued training beyond the veterinary degree, with an interest in behavioral issues and in the use of medication to help those dogs whose challenges might require medical intervention.

There is a lot of cross-over between training, behavioral therapy, and behavioral medicine. Sometimes working with all three types of professionals is needed.

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Even more important than education and skills, a trainer/behaviorist/specialist working with an anxious or fearful dog must be a compassionate human being. He or she must have true sympathy for and understanding of what both you and your dog are experiencing. This is the soft skill that one needs to look for - and honestly, the only way to find that mindset is to interview prospective trainers and watch them in action.

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Before I natter on as I am wont to do, a little more information from you would help focus the discussion.

- First, which canton/city are you moving to?

- What type of dog do you have (breed, size)? I ask because if you are moving into a canton where your dog might fall under a course mandate, that too should be addressed.

- Can you tell us a bit more about what you think your dog's challenges are? Perhaps describe general character, a bit of background, specific issues? That could help focus the search.

- And, how conversant are you with various canine training or behavioral therapy ideas and methods? Do you feel comfortable that you can assess that what a trainer offers is what you and your dog need?

If you can give us a bit more info, we can give more helpful advice.

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ETA, with a very important question: What language(s) do you speak? Do you need to work with the trainer in English, or are you comfortable in a local language?

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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

Woah, thank you for such a great answer, you put a lot of effort into it.

I am all for positive positive training methods and I would never inflict any pain on my dog or try to intimidate him and I avoid trainers who do this at all costs. I used the term 'dog whisperer' to express that an exceptional person is needed, I remember seeing this celebrity guy on tv as a kid but I never took his show seriously and that's not what I'm looking for.

To answer your first question, I don't know. I would lean more in the direction of a behaviorist as I need someone who will understand and interpret my dog's behavior. A trainer might not be enough, as for a vet specialist, I would only put my dog on medicine as a last resort.

I live in Zurich, my dog is an adult (2.5 years) Golden Retriever and even though I was told he doesn't need the mandatory training, I will sign him up anyway.

My GR is a wonderful and happy dog in general. We went to a puppy school when he was young, he's well-socialized and extremely friendly. He gets on well with other dogs, he can handle every situation involving other dogs, and he reads them very well. He's used to staying with pet sitters or alone at home for a couple of hours (max 4 I think). In general, he's a perfect dog, especially when he's in places he considers safe which are our home, our car, and nature.

He's unfortunately not a fan of any signs of civilization outside and it got much worse in the last couple of months. He was always a bit anxious, and not very self-confident but it was manageable. He was always afraid of sudden sounds and bright lights in his vicinity but we could always take him to most places, I used to take him to an airport hall when picking someone up or even take him to a restaurant and he would eventually relax there.

Then suddenly, his issues got much worse, I don't know what triggered it. I don't know if I did something wrong or if something happened when he was staying with a pet sitter but now he's often alert and anxious when we go for a walk. Most times it's not that bad but sometimes a random sound, like someone slamming a door close to him will put him in a state where he's shaking, trembling and running away and when he's like that, nothing helps, only leaving the area and he will be stressed until we return home. He also won't come into any building other than our home anymore, not even close to most structures.

Yesterday we went for a hike, everything was nice, lots of exercise, he was super happy. At the end of the trail there was a small, quiet restaurant so I decided I will sit outside with him and have a coffee. There was nothing going on there, just a small building, no people, it was as peaceful as it can get. He was also tired so the conditions were perfect. As soon as we approached the restaurant, he started panicking again and trying to run away/jumping at me. It hurts to see him like that and I want to help him.

I noticed, it does not matter how loud the noise is but more, how close. Loud but distant firework would not bother him but a tiny stone hitting metal rail close to him can startle him. But it doesn't even have to be a sound. Some lights or simply a box someone left in the middle of a sidewalk is enough to scare him.

As for assessing trainers, I've read and watched so many things, tried to work with some behaviorists and I feel like I don't know anything anymore. I would definitely refuse to work with someone telling me I need to dominate my dog or that I need to use a prong collar etc. But I'm not sure if I could say whether someone's methods are good right away.

English is a must, I'm learning German but I would not trust my German skills when it comes to such an important topic.
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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

I am not a dog expert by any stretch. But reading this made me wonder - have you taken the dog to the vet for a thorough check-up? If he's reacting to noises and structures, maybe something is physically a bit off that's leaving him overstimulated or confused? I know he's young, but young dogs can still develop health issues such as hearing or sight problems. Wishing you and your dog all the best.
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Oh, yes, I left more money at the vet than I care to admit and I always hear that he's in perfect shape. I'm taking him to a new vet here in Switzerland, maybe he'll have an idea for some new tests we didn't try before. But I (also not an expert) don't think it has anything to do with his physical condition. At home, he can sleep through any loud noise, loud hammering or drilling doesn't seem to bother him. I think it's more about him controlling his emotions, lack of self-confidence, and me not being a good enough leader for him and that's why I'm looking for a good trainer/behaviorist. To teach him correct behaviors but even more so I can learn how to offer him better guidance in distress.
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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

BurntOutDev, just a quick post, as I the sound of plaintive woofing means I need to run off to deal with poor old Heffalump…

In Zurich, a golden retriever is a List 1 dog (large, over 15kg/45cm at the withers) so if you have just moved to the canton your dog does indeed need to take the mandated cantonal courses. You can run through the calculator as to who is required to take the courses, and which course, by which age/date, here:

https://codex-hund.ch/hundehalter/kurse-guide

And here is the list of trainers certified to teach List 1 courses, by PLZ:

https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/...plz_221202.pdf

FYI, EF member ‘CherryTree’ is a certified ZH trainer, and can conduct classes in English if needed.

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-trad...hungskurs.html

More on ZH dog regulations, here:

https://www.zh.ch/de/umwelt-tiere/ti...ere/hunde.html

But the mandated course is a side issue to your question, albeit one that should be part of the plan for helping your pup.

I’ll be back later with more ideas and suggestions on finding a behaviorist or trainer who can help address the fear issues.

Until then, know you are not alone. You are among dog lovers here, many of us have stood in your shoes, and empathize.

All the best…
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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

My gut reaction as well - as your dog is still young the likelihood of a vision/hearing issue is quite low, however given you have noticed a change in his behaviour that is perhaps triggered by sound/sights that are unfamiliar and/or sudden, I would take him to the vet first.

If a clean bill of health is given, then obtaining the help of a dog specialist (trainer/behaviouris) makes sense. Perhaps your vet may have a recommendation for someone in your area?
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So I took him for a checkup and he's in perfect health. Vision/hearing issues are literally the last thing I would ever consider. I'd rather say he has some kind of 6th sense, you should see him running with other dogs in the forest. There are definitely faster breeds but the way he avoids obstacles and plans his routes based on what he sees and hears is simply amazing, no dog can beat him. If anything, he's oversensitive.

As for the compulsory training, I was told twice (by the vet and when I went to register him in the city hall) he doesn't have to do it as he's an adult dog who arrived with his owner in Switzerland. I signed him up anyway, it can't hurt and may actually help a lot.

The vet promised to get me in touch with someone who may be able to help but I would still appreciate any recommendation as I don't know yet what will come out of it.
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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

I can recommend Gabriela Capraro from Hundeschule Capraro, on the official course list.
She can speak English. Good luck.
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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

Finding a good behaviorist means finding the right person for you and your dog. There are universals to look for, but additionally you, your dog, and the behaviorist simply have to ‘click’. Which means that once you have found a list of behaviorists who on paper look to be able to offer the help you need, a personal interview is important.

With that in mind, here is a good article on how to assess a dog trainer - the same will apply to behaviorists. This article is Canada/US based, but the principles apply here as well.
https://www.companionanimalpsycholog...g-trainer.html

Here is a good article from Hundeherz, which is Swiss-centric. Unfortunately only in German, but you can run it through a translator if needed:
https://www.hundeherz.ch/fachbeitrag...im-hund-teil-1
https://www.hundeherz.ch/fachbeitrag...im-hund-teil-2
https://www.hundeherz.ch/fachbeitrag...im-hund-teil-3

The second and third parts address some of the issues to consider in choosing a behaviorist and behavioral therapy program.

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I would initiate contact by writing to several behaviorists, with a concise statement of your concerns about your dog’s behavior. Ask if the behaviorist has experience dealing with these issues, and ask if an in-person meeting is possible. Many behaviorists will want to see the dog in his home setting with all family members present. However, if your concerns largely center around issues that arise when out and about, the behaviorist might want to replicate those situations in the first meeting.

Be aware that you will likely need to pay for this introductory visit.

Before that first meeting, I’d have carefully read the behaviorist’s website, which usually includes background info on their philosophy and methods. (Of course, I use this background info as a sorting point. Remember - fear issues should never involve adversive techniques.) I’d also have looked at the types of courses offered, as that too gives me an insight into methods.

I’d then draw up a list of specific questions for that first meeting, asking:

How would you go about assessing my dog’s issues?
Have you worked with dogs like mine before?
What approaches did you find to be most helpful?
Where there things that you found were not helpful/effective?
How do you assess if a treatment plan is helping, or not?

To this last point, from experience I’ve learned that small steps/celebrating the little victories is key for me. The final goal of ‘happy, well behaved dog’ may be a long ways away, and it can be overwhelming when that is the only measure of success we focus on. I’d want a behaviorist who can help me set and measure incremental goals, and help me set realistic expectations.

I’ve had my share o’ whack-a-doodle mutts, and know that there is no ‘one size fits all’, even when the outward behavioral challenges are similar. Every dog is an individual, every owner/dog/household constellation might present different challenges, and so the approach needs to be tailored to you and your dog’s specific needs.. Key for me is finding someone well versed in the various schools of canine behavioral theory, who is not so rigid in one approach or another, but willing to assess and if needed change along the way, someone who has an open mind and wide range of experience/techniques.

If your first meeting with the behaviorist feels right, perhaps at first sign up for a single or limited number of sessions, simply so you can see if this approach really feel right for you and your dog, before committing to a longer, possibly expensive, course.

FYI, some trainers will allow prospective clients to observe a group training session, without your dog, which is a good opportunity to assess style of training, personal interaction, etc. Do take up this opportunity if offered.

But I wouldn’t think observation would be available for an individual behavioral therapy session, simply because it would not be fair to the dog/owner involved. The presence of an outsider is often not appropriate, depending on the issues being worked on.


Are you still in Germany? If so, the rescue I volunteer with has sought help for some of their charges from Animal Learn, led by Clarissa von Reinhardt, a respected behaviorist and trainer (author of ’Stress in Dogs’). You might consider starting there if you are anywhere near them,
https://animal-learn.de

A bit of a trek from Switzerland, though.

In other threads, several EFers have recommended Fair Train:
https://www.fairtrain.ch

Also in other threads, EFers have recommended looking for a trainer certified by PDTE, Pet Dog Trainers of Europe, a group founded by Turid Rugaas. Members follow a code of ethics and commit to ongoing education. There is a search function you can use to find a member in Switzerland:
https://www.pdte.eu/find-a-trainer

My own trainers, who were such a fantastic help and support with many of my dogs, are certified by Certodog, a Swiss group that trains trainers. Neither speaks English, so not a choice for you, but you could look through the list of Certodog members, here:
https://www.certodog.ch/infos/hundeschulen


Upthread I mentioned the NHB, the voluntary ‘doggy good citizen’ course. Trainers certified to teach the NHB would also be a good place to start looking for help, as many of the trainers will also offer additional courses or one-to-one sessions. As mentioned earlier, there is a lot of crossover between training and behavioral therapy.
https://www.nhb-bpc.dog/nhb-fachpersonen

Another place to look is with the trainers/behaviorists who have signed on to the ‘Initiativ für Gewaltfreies Training’, an advocacy group dedicated to promoting fear-free training. Here is a list, which includes the trainer’s qualifications, by PLZ:
https://www.gewaltfreies-hundetraini...hulen/schweiz/

ETA, with a recommendation from a colleague. Patricia Wantz of Amicanis, in Zürich:
https://www.amicanis.ch/staff/patricia/

With all of the above, as you look at a trainer/behaviorist’s qualifications, look up the website of the training organization. You can learn a lot about the provider’s philosophy from their training school, as well as from further education seminars and courses attended.

If the trainer who piques your interest's website does not specify that courses are given in English, write to them in English anyway, ask if training in English is possible. Folks who give group classes in German (F, I) might be willing to work one-to-one in English. Can’t hurt to ask.



I have found that the combination of both group training and 1-1 behavioral therapy has been very beneficial for my nutcases. In 1-1 behavioral sessions we work on skills that we then put into practice in a ’safe' seetting with an understanding group of owners in the Hundeschule. Again, there is no one size fits all, and you might find that combining approaches a good way to help your pup.

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And a last word, just information to keep in the background, should the need arise:

I have spent the better part of 30 years living with mixed-up mutts. I put a great deal of value on training and behavioral therapy, and through the decades with help from excellent behaviorists and trainers have had success helping my whacky friends overcome their various issues. I truly believed that it was mostly a matter of finally finding the right training program, the right behavioral approach, the right techniques for this particular individual. With the right approach for each dog, with knowledge and dedication to the journey, I believed I could help my four footers learn to live happily in our confusing human world.

And then came Robin Goodfellow.

My tried and true approach simply was not working. He continued to spiral, despite all the resources and professional help I had at my disposal.

In desperation I took a step I had never considered with my other dogs: behavioral medication.

There are some dogs whose anxiety is crippling to the point where they cannot engage with even the best behavioral therapy alone,, whose fear is so great that they shut down as a first response, or whose brains are simply’ miswired’, who may have a neurological issue in conjunction with behavioral issues. Just like in humans. With these dogs one might need to consider behavioral meds.

In hindsight, my success with my other mutts actually blinded me to the fact that Robin needed more than behavioral therapy alone. I now see that in his case I waited too long to consider meds.

Behavioral meds are certainly not a first step, and not a panacea. They usually do not replace behavioral therapy, rather one often needs to consider meds as part of a package, used in conjunction with more traditional behavioral therapy. Just like in humans. This is what we are doing with Robin.

If you find that you need to consider this possibility, I heartily recommend Dr Maya Bräm. She has her own practice, or can be seen at the Tierspital in Zürich:

https://www.tierspital.uzh.ch/de/kle...gie/braem.html
https://mayanimal.ch/index.html

Dr Bräm won’t push you into anything you are not comfortable doing, she is kind, compassionate, and very knowledgable. She has, quite literally, saved Robin’s life.
Her practice is in great demand, there may be a wait for a consultation.



Wishing you and your pup all the very best.

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Re: How to find a good dog trainer for an anxious dog

Did someone talk about diet?

A friend of mine has had a lot of good results and feedback. The page is in German but her English is perfect.

My GF recently adopted a 1 year old pup from a shelter in Greece...so we are learning how to work with a 1 year old untrained dog
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