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Re: Noise complaint about dog barking, what to do?

Hello Snoopy,

To clarify I have nothing against bassets, I grew up with one:
Faltaff. They are very funny indeed. But this one is quite dissatisfied with being left and she makes it known. Poor thing.

As a rule, my dogs are NEVER subjected to going to a kennel or
pensioners home. I have someone in to care for them. I would not subject mine to the upset.

Anyway your advice is well taken and I thank you for putting a light on the important issues.

I suppose now I am afraid to let them out in my yard without keeping a very close eye and of course I never leave them out when I am away from the house even for a quick run to the gas station.


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Hello Snoopy,

To clarify I have nothing against bassets, I grew up with one:
Faltaff. They are very funny indeed. But this one is quite dissatisfied with being left and she makes it known. Poor thing.

As a rule, my dogs are NEVER subjected to going to a kennel or
pensioners home. I have someone in to care for them. I would not subject mine to the upset.

Anyway your advice is well taken and I thank you for putting a light on the important issues.

I suppose now I am afraid to let them out in my yard without keeping a very close eye and of course I never leave them out when I am away from the house even for a quick run to the gas station.


Best Westwood
One other thing...I would also talk to your commune administration.
Zoning rules generally allow "quiet" businesses in residential areas. I am not sure that taking in dogs as a business would constitute a "quiet" business. In fact in this case it certainly doesn't sound like it. So, your neighbour may also be breaking the zoning limitations.
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Re: Noise complaint about dog barking, what to do?

Hi snoopy,

My communal administrator is also my landlord and they live
Next to me so they are aware of this however they must not mind
As it's going on full time!


That's the one thing I am puzzled by
And they do not have dogs but cats.

Anyway, I mentioned it within two weeks of moving in
To the husband saying please let her know this isn't going to work
Unless she keeps things quiet in the am
Which is really the only time I care.

Thanks again for your helpful insights.
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I wish we could turn back the clock, I wish we still lived in a world where common sense and personal responsibility reigned, where people understood that animals are not machines, where live-and-let-live attitudes were more prevalent - and where a dog was still allowed to be a dog.

Sadly, that world is fast disappearing, if not already gone.

While I despair of the the growing stridence of the anti-dog group, I have to acknowledge that reality if I am to give my dog a good life in today's society. For his own good, I have to train my dog out of some instinctive behaviors that society frowns upon - because society has the power to hurt my dog. The best protection I can give my dog is to train him to be a good canine citizen.

If my dog were to bite someone who provoked him - even if he did so to protect me - my dog would likely be ordered to be euthanized. The stupidity or malice of the person provoking the dog is sadly not a defense. It's not fair, but it is the world we live in.

I have seen increasing numbers of people who have no idea how to act around dogs, I see parents actively teaching their children to fear dogs, I see people acting out of sheer malice. Common sense has all but gone out the window.

I hate the fact that we deny dogs the right to be dogs. I hate the fact that my dogs may not run off lead in the fields. I hate the fact that their freedom is curtailed even in my own garden. But I have to do it, because above all else, my job is to protect my dog.

The only solution I can see is an isolated farmhouse, far away from any neighbors or passers-by. As I wobble on the should-I-stay-or-should-I-go fence, whether I can give my dogs a good life in the face of Swiss anti-dog attitudes is something very much on my mind.

Right now, I'm thinking Wyoming looks good...
I'm wobbling on that same fence, Meloncollie!
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I hate the fact that we deny dogs the right to be dogs. I hate the fact that my dogs may not run off lead in the fields. I hate the fact that their freedom is curtailed even in my own garden. But I have to do it, because above all else, my job is to protect my dog.

The only solution I can see is an isolated farmhouse, far away from any neighbors or passers-by. As I wobble on the should-I-stay-or-should-I-go fence, whether I can give my dogs a good life in the face of Swiss anti-dog attitudes is something very much on my mind.

Right now, I'm thinking Wyoming looks good...
I've long held the belief that anti-dog people are usually anti-people people also. Does that make sense?

My dog only barked when I was home. My friends knew I was out if they called round and she didn't bark. Her vet said she only barked "if there was someone in the house to tell", and not for the sake of barking.

When she was a pup, my place had open fields on three sides. I stopped letting her run free in the fields after her second bout of poisoning from crop sprays.

Later on, after we moved into a more built up area, she dug under my neighbour's new fence and was found asleep and snoring on the rug in front of their fire. My neighbour called round to let me know where my dog was, and that she'd made her a cup of tea and would bring her home shortly.

In 15yrs, she growled at 4 people. Each time she was absolutely right in her judgement. She used to get Christmas presents off several neighbours and three people are no longer afraid of dogs because they spent time with her. Not bad for a dog that was under the Dangerous Dogs Act, had third party insurance of GBP 2 million, was muzzled every time she went out of the front door, was spayed, microchipped and tattooed with 'E3053B' in 2 inch high digits so that police snipers could identify her if she got loose.


In all seriousness, is the Swiss system and attitude worse? I can see that it's very different. I can see a heavy emphasis on responsible dog ownership, but is it really worse?
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I'm wobbling on that same fence, Meloncollie!
Probably not the same fence. Come back in six and a half years and let us know how you feel...
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Probably not the same fence. Come back in six and a half years and let us know how you feel...
I can assure you that it *is* quite a similar quandary. Melonchollie knows what I mean. And now I know which side of the fence she came down on ...
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I can assure you that it *is* quite a similar quandary. Melonchollie knows what I mean. And now I know which side of the fence she came down on ...
Personal opinion: don't take decisions based only on EF experiences. It is not always easy to live here, I agree (I can tell a few stories..), but most people find a way to feel comfortable here. I personally wouldn't say that the Swiss are "anti-dog" (rather anti-noise and very pedantic when it comes to rules) if this is your main concern, but this is just my opinion.
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I personally wouldn't say that the Swiss are "anti-dog" (rather anti-noise and very pedantic when it comes to rules) if this is your main concern, but this is just my opinion.
Across the road from me, there's a beautiful house directly on the lakeside which obviously cost a good few million. The owner takes his young dog for a walk down to the park at the same time every night, and twice a day on weekends. How do I know this? His dog barks his bleedin' head off with sheer excitement every time he sets foot outside of the house. Half of his walk past our place is on his back legs because he can't get to the park fast enough. I can tell he's being trained, and is gradually getting a little calmer, but I can still set my watch by this dog's barking...20 seconds when his owner gets home from work...3 mins or so when he goes for his walk at 7pm...anything outside of those times makes me investigate because he's silent the rest of the time.
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Across the road from me, there's a beautiful house directly on the lakeside which obviously cost a good few million. The owner takes his young dog for a walk down to the park at the same time every night, and twice a day on weekends. How do I know this? His dog barks his bleedin' head off with sheer excitement every time he sets foot outside of the house. Half of his walk past our place is on his back legs because he can't get to the park fast enough. I can tell he's being trained, and is gradually getting a little calmer, but I can still set my watch by this dog's barking...20 seconds when his owner gets home from work...3 mins or so when he goes for his walk at 7pm...anything outside of those times makes me investigate because he's silent the rest of the time.
My OH moved to CH one year before me but I was here when his relocation agent showed him a few apartments and I know it is easier to find a place when you're a "quiet" couple (if they only knew), no pets etc. However, I have friends who have dogs or cats and it wasn't a major impediment for them either, although I have to say I feel a bit sorry for the dogs because the owners don't have enough time to take them out as long as they would need... this has been the only thing that prevented us from getting our own, I generally like to do things well.
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Re: Noise complaint about dog barking, what to do?

Same here GM. When I had my last dog, I worked shifts and my ex-husband worked 9-5, so she was never alone for more than 4hrs a day and usually took that opportunity to rearrange the furniture. Favourite 'trick' was taking all the seat cushions off the sofas and piling them up in front of the fire in true 'Princess and the Pea' fashion.

Spent the last 6yrs in the UK nagging my boss to let me work from home so that I could have a dog. Now that I've left, they're letting entire teams work from home, and I've moved to a country that appears to not encourage pet ownership. Pfft! It only struck me when visiting the mother-outlaw in a northern suburb of Athens were everyone has at least one dog. You walk down the street there and all the dogs in the neighbourhood start barking and rushing to their gates to check you out.
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Re: Noise complaint about dog barking, what to do?

This also happened to us when we first moved to CH...At the time we bough a "anti-bark" device (called Aboistop here). It is a small device that sprays some water on the dog when he barks. It lasted about 2 days haha
We figured out that our dog would start barking when he heard loud noises outside so we started leaving him a small treat in his KONG and leaving the TV or Radio on when we left...Worked like a charm!!
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The only solution I can see is an isolated farmhouse, far away from any neighbors or passers-by. As I wobble on the should-I-stay-or-should-I-go fence, whether I can give my dogs a good life in the face of Swiss anti-dog attitudes is something very much on my mind.

Right now, I'm thinking Wyoming looks good...
Our 3 dogs are quiet compared to the neighbour's dogs. The farm dog over the road barks all the time. On one side of us there are 4 dogs.


A fenced garden may keep dogs in, but not the noise!


Tolerant neighbours is important and living in a farming village helps too.


Have looked at a few isolated places, but nothing I could have pictured living in.
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Re: Noise complaint about dog barking, what to do?

muzzle your dog if you cannot train it
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muzzle your dog if you cannot train it
NEVER AGAIN!!!

I was forced by law to muzzle my dog everytime we went out, so for 13yrs, I saw the effects this has on a dog...and on me.

I couldn't take my dog out in warm weather because muzzles limit the ability to pant, so she overheated.

My dog hated her muzzle and spent half the walk trying to take it off.

My dog became a target for ill informed kids who threw stones, etc at her.

My dog was unable to defend herself when latchkey dogs became aggressive.

My dog was unable to defend me.

Walking my dog became a chore to be endured by us both, with her muzzled and never allowed off the lead. I'm all for responsible dog ownership, but saw my dog's life visibly shrink overnight due to kneejerk laws being rushed through.
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Same here GM. When I had my last dog, I worked shifts and my ex-husband worked 9-5, so she was never alone for more than 4hrs a day and usually took that opportunity to rearrange the furniture. Favourite 'trick' was taking all the seat cushions off the sofas and piling them up in front of the fire in true 'Princess and the Pea' fashion.

Spent the last 6yrs in the UK nagging my boss to let me work from home so that I could have a dog. Now that I've left, they're letting entire teams work from home, and I've moved to a country that appears to not encourage pet ownership. Pfft! It only struck me when visiting the mother-outlaw in a northern suburb of Athens were everyone has at least one dog. You walk down the street there and all the dogs in the neighbourhood start barking and rushing to their gates to check you out.
Oh, so cute...I think you really miss her. I have to say that my upstairs neighbours have the quietest and kindest dog I know. Even so, the man has apologised many times about the dog barking.. which I have to say I found it a bit amusing because I heard this dog only twice since they moved in. Perhaps bad experiences with previous neighbours made them really defensive or something. I never complained, on the contrary.

One couple friends on the other hand have the noisiest and most agitated little dog, poor them. Every time I go to their place I can hear him from the entrance...the little chap is full of temperament and barking at every stranger or anyone who enters the building, really (he likes me a lot, too much I would say, but used to "hate" my husband and even bit him couple of times ..), so according to my friends everyone knows him....I guess they are really tolerant in that neighborhood because no-one complained, at least not "officially." This dog makes a lot of noise, trust me...luckily he is also sleeping most of the time when left alone and plays with a few toys, doesn't really destroy much... Anyway, we have adopted them so we had to adopt their dog too, family is family..
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