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Good breeder of Beagles

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I am looking to get a beagle puppy, but really have no idea where to start looking over here. A recommendation is always good, so just wanted to ask if anyone knew of a good beagle breeder in Switzerland, ideally in the Zug/Zurich region.

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Hi,
I am looking to get a beagle puppy, but really have no idea where to start looking over here. A recommendation is always good, so just wanted to ask if anyone knew of a good beagle breeder in Switzerland, ideally in the Zug/Zurich region.

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Most of the popular dog breeds have clubs here in Switzerland. Here's the beagle club. You will find a list of breeders there:

http://www.beagleclub.ch/

Also, make sure you've done the mandatory BVET theory course if you are a first time owner!
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Thanks, great advice and looks like a good website! :-)
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Hi we are also interested in getting a beagle addition to the family. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with them in apartments? If they will be happy to live in 90sq apartment as long as they get taken for walks/runs daily?

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Hi we are also interested in getting a beagle addition to the family. I was just wondering if anyone has experience with them in apartments? If they will be happy to live in 90sq apartment as long as they get taken for walks/runs daily?

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I think any dog will be ok in a 90sq apartment if they are given daily walks - even the big ones.

I had a foster beagle before and he was extremely intelligent and gentle - albeit terribly stubborn and he loved to howl - the main reason on why he was given up (wtf!). I guess if you read up more about the breed and understand what makes them tick (being ruled by their noses, and why howling is part of the hound group behaviour) together with the right training, exercise and discipline, they are great companions.
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Beagles do appear to be quite a popular breed in Switzerland. I see them all over the place.
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I think any dog will be ok in a 90sq apartment if they are given daily walks - even the big ones.

I had a foster beagle before and he was extremely intelligent and gentle - albeit terribly stubborn and he loved to howl - the main reason on why he was given up (wtf!). I guess if you read up more about the breed and understand what makes them tick (being ruled by their noses, and why howling is part of the hound group behaviour) together with the right training, exercise and discipline, they are great companions.
Yeah you need A LOT of discipline. They're widely regarded as the naughtiest dogs on earth.
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Thanks for the quick replies !
I have also been seeing alot of them around, but been wondering about apartment life since most other online sites say they are not apartment dogs. I gueass most other countries not as dog friendly as here in Swizz which probably also makes big difference.

The other obvious thing that is playing on my mind is their howling. I think their pretty much the coolest thing since sliced bread, but not so sure how everybodys neighbours like it...

Is there anybody with beagles that might know if its possible to train them to controll their singing a bit ? and if the females is maybe more quiet than te males?

Would love to get one, but the experience of current owners is worth alot of research for me.

Thank you for your response !!
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Beagles do appear to be quite a popular breed in Switzerland. I see them all over the place.
There's a lot of pharma companies....
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

PS - I am aware about their stubbornness issues , but i believe they are very intelligent and can be taught with patience and disipline.

I do believe in training my dogs well, and have owned weimaraner and last a springer spaniel who were both trained.

My wife is currently not working, and will be able to spend time with puppy all day, my concern is just that in a year or 2 if she decided to work, the possible howling when were not home.. Is this possible to control if taught from begining? Or shall i just give up my beagle dream ? hehehe
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PS - I am aware about their stubbornness issues , but i believe they are very intelligent and can be taught with patience and disipline.

I do believe in training my dogs well, and have owned weimaraner and last a springer spaniel who were both trained.

My wife is currently not working, and will be able to spend time with puppy all day, my concern is just that in a year or 2 if she decided to work, the possible howling when were not home.. Is this possible to control if taught from begining? Or shall i just give up my beagle dream ? hehehe
I personally found that the reason why Luke, my foster beagle was howling so much because he suffered from separation anxiety. The owners worked and the poor thing was left alone most of the time. He howled when he spots other dogs on the streets, something increased socialisation and changing the way he walks, minimised.

Having said that, it is in their DNA to howl - they are not yappy dogs - they howl to alert hunters when they've cornered a prey / caught the scent of their prey. If you want a generally quiet beagle (or any other dog for the matter), you need to train them from Day 1 in your household, the "quiet" or "sssh" command or redirection in order to minimise their howling. Crate training is a great start as it gives them a safe place to go to.

Not all beagles howl, and on the flip side, some beagles never do understand the idea that you want them to be quiet, and if this is a necessity for you, you may want to consider another breed. My 2 rappens.
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Thanx Summerrain for all your helpfull info !!

So maybe a 2nd pup will help if they need to be left alone, so that they wont be lonely... Well by the sound of things, either that, or both of them will tear the roof off.

sounds like pretty much a 50-50 % chance... maybe i should start spreading love for beagles around my neighbours before i buy one, that hopefully if she is noisy that they wont want to kill her or me for that matter
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So maybe a 2nd pup will help if they need to be left alone, so that they wont be lonely... Well by the sound of things, either that, or both of them will tear the roof off.
...either that, you'll have a little choir. All it takes is for one to set off the other. Sorry, I am not really helping things, am I?
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Beagle owner of 16 years stepping in here.

Regarding the howling: I've only had one that never does it. I discouraged her from barking and howling when she was a puppy by ignoring her and stopping any playing the second she made such noises and then she was great after that. She lived in apartments most of her life and was perfectly behaved. However, since then I've never been able to fully control it on any of my other Beagles. Having two dogs greatly helps (a previous poster rightly mentioned separation anxiety is related to the problem), as does lots of walking (so they don't build up frustrated energy) and training (which can at least diminish the problem). I currently have one pretty loud girl that's territorial so anything coming near the apartment triggers her, but she's trained to shut up the second I say "quiet". Citronella spray collars have also helped me in training in the past. The two Beagles I have now have been OK in Swiss apartments for over a year now, but with each move there's been an initial period of transition during which they will make noise every time I leave them alone until they are used to the new apartment, and even now the territorial one makes a bit of noise (as described above), but not enough to have caused neighbor complaints.

Regarding the stubbornness: Yes, they are very stubborn. I find it a fun personality trait so I live with it. You need lots and lots of training which must be constantly reinforced in order to gain alpha status over a Beagle. And even then, you never know for certain what's going to happen because they are also incredibly smart at problem solving (with "problem" most often meaning anything getting in the way of their access to food). When I lived in California I knew a Beagle that would push a dining room table chair into the kitchen so she could jump on the counter and steal food from the cabinets. I have heard of others that can open refrigerators. I've luckily never had such extreme problems, but I believe that a pet is for life so I'm ready to deal with anything they come up with. But I warn the novices to not get a Beagle unless they're ready to make that commitment. Too many get given away because the owners expected an "easy" pet.

In the end, they are amusing, cute, cuddly, and very loving dogs and I'll have Beagles until I die. They are a good size for an apartment but you must give them lots of exercise (at least until they're senior dogs), so don't get one if you don't like hiking/walking a lot.

I don't know of any breeders, but most of the locals I run into who have Beagles tell me they have been adopted from pharmaceutical research adoption programs (sadly, most new drugs have their toxicology testing done on Beagles). I used to support a California Beagle rescue called Beagles & Buddies, and when I decided to move here someone there told me there's at least one Beagle rescue organization in Germany (perhaps someone with good German language skills can find it with an online search).
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I used to support a California Beagle rescue called Beagles & Buddies, and when I decided to move here someone there told me there's at least one Beagle rescue organization in Germany (perhaps someone with good German language skills can find it with an online search).
Several good sites helping to rehome ex-laboratory beagles:

http://www.beagle-entlaufen.de/notbeagle.asp

http://www.versuchstiere.de/

http://www.laborbeaglehilfe.de/

http://www.tierheim-wermelskirchen.de/

Not all these dogs are ex-lab beagles - there are some beagles who come from other situations.

If you have any interest in an ex-lab beagle, please contact one of the groups above to learn more about needs, the challenges - and the joys - of adopting one of these dogs. This may not be the right choice for everyone - but if this is something you think you may want to do, the rewards are so very, very great.

I train with an ex-lab beagle who is a delight. He had a rather rocky start which required patience, understanding, and dedication - but now he is a confident, cheeky, funny and loving character.


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Here is a good write up of life with ex-lab beagle Asta, the lucky girl who belonges to the author of 'Spass Mit Hunde' (one of my favorite dog 'brain training' books):

http://www.spass-mit-hund.de/seiten/...asta/index.htm


(Sorry to wander off-topic I'm afraid I don't know any beagle breeders - if you are after a pup rather than an older dog, your best bet would be to follow Summerrain's suggestion and contact the Beagle club.)
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Re: Good breeder of Beagles

Thank you flacaflaca for your great help and information !!! All you guys are really helping me alot ! Unfortunately i dont have a thank you button yet, coz i would have used it tons now !!!

According to your experience do you think 90sq apartment would be big enough to keep 2 Beagles? Will they be ok ? Of course keeping in mind the daily runs/walks we will give them..

And as far as your neighbours are concerned, you say you havnt had complains yet? Im not sure if you read my initial post, my wife is at home fulltime at the moment so will be spending time with the puppy/ies all day when im at work, but my worry is just that if in a year or 2 she might want to start working, do you think with proper training in this time, and since they will be 2, it might be possible that they will survive at home without the neighbours signing a petition to evict us? hehe

Is 2 years to short to train them to this level?
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SAPerfusionist, are you absolutely set on two pups?

The reason I ask is that - speaking very generally here - owners are often cautioned against adopting two pups at the same time. When one has two young pups, especially littermates, the pups tend to bond more strongly with each other than with the owner. Training two is indeed more difficult than one - think house training especially. You need to plan for one-to-one time with each pup, as well as training them together.

My personal preference is to adopt one dog at a time - it is only when I feel that I have thoroughtly bonded with my newbie and made good progress in his/her training that I consider adding to the pack. I know my limits as a trainer.

However, having said that, there are folks who make it work, and work very well. I believe Ullainga has two pups - I'm sure she can give you valuable insights.

Another thought - while I am a firm believer in multi-dog households (at one time I had 5 here), I'd generally caution against thinking of a second dog as a solution to the first dog's issues. Often it can work miracles, but sometimes the second can learn to take on the problems of the first - in which you have double trouble. It all goes down to individual characters and individual situations. The second dog should be added to the family for his own sake, because you can give him/her a good home alone - that his presence then helps the first dog should be looked at as a bonus.

But as long as the each dog is carefully selected for compatablility with the rest of the crew, my experience has been that having a multi-dog household is a joy.

Before taking on two at once, I'd recommend reading Patrica McConnell's 'Feeling Outnumbered? How To Manage And Enjoy Your Multi-dog Household.'

Good luck!

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Happy to help.

To answer your questions:

1. 90 sq meters is plenty of space -- when we arrived here we were in a temporary apartment about half that size for 3 months, and our current one is only a bit more than 90.

2. 2 years is plenty of time for training. Even half that time will get you fantastically trained doggies, provided your wife is very committed to the process, from general obedience training and socializing to independence training (so they're used to her being gone for increasing periods of time before she gets a job).

Basic obedience training (sit, stay, come, etc.) two at a time is more complicated than with just one dog, but it can be done with a bit of extra patience. Or even better, join a class!

My last recommendation would be to read up on animal training and behavior BEFORE the doggies arrive so you don't make any basic mistakes. I grew up in a house that at one time had about 10 dogs (yes, my mom's an animal lover, and I have to control myself not to get to that level...) yet I still made some basic mistakes with the first dog I got when I was living alone. Starting out on the right track will save you lots of headaches.

Other EF members may have other recommendations on books, but I love the following authors:

1. Dr. Nicholas Dodman. He's a professor of animal behavior at a veterinary school and is my favorite author on doggie matters. His books include: Dogs Behaving Badly, Good Old Dog, The Well-Adjusted Dog, The Dog Who Loved Too Much, and Puppy's First Steps (he edited this last one, the actual author is Lawrence Lindner -- but I'm mentioning it here since you might be getting a puppy...).

2. William E. Campbell. He's a dog trainer. His books include: Behavior Problems in Dogs and The New Better Behavior in Dogs.

Anyway, good luck! If you lived closer to Basel, I'd offer to meet up with your wife for playtime.
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Nope not set on 2 beagles, I am just asking around for all your expert advice since I would like to make informed, prepared decision

I just really love beagles, and would really like to have one, but I do not want to get one if it wil not be best for the beagle. Since we will be living in 90 sq penthouse apartment, but will take dog walking/runing every day and since my wife is not working at the moment, she wil be able to spend time with the pup all day.

This sounds all ok for beagle puppy environment according to me, the main problem in my mind is just that if in a year or 2 my wife starts working and beagle to lonely by itself and howl, baying all day and neighbours start complaining... and the last thing i want to do is give up the dog, so will have to look for new apartment etc. so you get my idea...

I just want to know if according to your experience we will be able to own and have a happy beagle in our apartment environment and if he/she wil after time ever wil get used to being alone 6h a day if we both work, for example, after 2 years.... And then if 2 beagles is better than 1 option?

Or am I just pushing my beagle dream and is it not fair on the dog?
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I just want to know if according to your experience we will be able to own and have a happy beagle in our apartment environment and if he/she wil after time ever wil get used to being alone 6h a day if we both work, for example, after 2 years.... And then if 2 beagles is better than 1 option?
If I were in your situation, I'd get one first, train it for a few months, then get a second. My first pair of dogs were acquired 2 months apart, and when the first one died I had the other one by herself for 2 years until she died too (she was old and slept all day so I didn't mind so much her being alone). Then I got my current set of dogs and repeated a similar pattern of acquisition (got the second dog 4 months after the first). I didn't have any problems either time.
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