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Re: Drinks evening (with founder of The Local)

so Paul, since you're here...one question for the open forum for those of us that can't attend your pub meeting...

will T&C be re-sent to a fairly large number of us that have commented we never received the original mailing?

also, would you like to comment on the fairly cocked up way the roll out of the new T&C was handled?

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Re: Drinks evening (with founder of The Local)

the most important questions still hasn't been answered

will there be free drinks??
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@Dougal's Breakfast - agree, but it seemed sensible to do it in Zurich and Basel. If people do want to meet for a chat I'll try and get to as many places as possible - as mentioned above, if I can't do it on this trip then on another one soon. Where are you based?
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Re: Drinks evening (with founder of The Local)

I'll write one-liners on to small pieces of card, sit in the corner of the bar, and flick them at you while smirking.
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:17
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Everybody knows where DB is located. He's been shouting from rooftops about it.
Yeah, but his roof is so remote no one can hear him.
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You should do it via a video conference. All you need is a webcam (sometimes, the world's best webcam is offered for sale on this very forum), a large conference table and a white cat to stroke as you speak.
I'm slightly allergic to cats but if I could find a scruffy, balding, unshaven dwarf for the mini-me effect then perhaps I could make that work.

Although I'd rather meet for a chat over drinks.
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:22
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@Dougal's Breakfast [....] Where are you based?
Good grief. You don't want to go there. You'd never make it back out
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:23
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I'm slightly allergic to cats but if I could find a scruffy, balding, unshaven dwarf for the mini-me effect then perhaps I could make that work.

lol, great stuff, mind posting it in Introductions....
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:25
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I'm slightly allergic to cats but if I could find a scruffy, balding, unshaven dwarf for the mini-me effect then perhaps I could make that work.

Although I'd rather meet for a chat over drinks.

Grynch said he couldnt make it, but you could ask him again.
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:29
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Re: Drinks evening (with founder of The Local)

grumpy... please don't go off topic ( and I'm not a dwarf!! ) Mr. Paul is busy composing the answer to my question above.
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@Dougal's Breakfast - agree, but it seemed sensible to do it in Zurich and Basel. If people do want to meet for a chat I'll try and get to as many places as possible - as mentioned above, if I can't do it on this trip then on another one soon. Where are you based?
I live close enough to Zurich to make it for an evening out, but I shan't attend.

The problem is that having an officially organised event which only a tiny percentage of the membership can attend merely reinforces the cliquey feeling about which so many members - especially those located far from Zurich - have complained over the last few years.

It's one thing for an EF member to organise Wednesday drinks at the Viaukt, to which some chap from Sweden happens to turn up. Quite another to organise a "Drinks evening (with the founder of the local)" in Zurich, to which the overwhelming majority of people who might be interested in hearing what the founder of the Local has to say for himself will be excluded merely because they don't happen to live in or near the city.

Switzerland is remarkable for its lack of centralisation. In the confederation, Zurich is no more important than Bern, Basel, Geneva, Lausanne or Lugano.

It's a shame the English Forum doesn't observe the same principle.

Have your drinks with the Zurich in-crowd. Enjoy yourself!

But don't forget that there are an awful lot of people on EF who will be feeling left out in the cold because of this.
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so Paul, since you're here...one question for the open forum for those of us that can't attend your pub meeting...

will T&C be re-sent to a fairly large number of us that have commented we never received the original mailing?

also, would you like to comment on the fairly cocked up way the roll out of the new T&C was handled?

thanks

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Give the guy a break, perhaps stop the "loaded" comments, we don't want to scare him off before he arrives. He's made the effort to appear which is more than most would.

Personally if I was him I'd have hit the ban button on a few accounts some of the garbage written save myself the hassle of turning up. (Path of least resistance)

Yes people are angry/confused but give the guy a break before unloading both barrels. Fine be angry raise you point, no action/results then kick off.
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:37
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@jrspet - I'd be happy to meet for a coffee/beer at a time that would suit you.

@mirfield - yes, maybe a *touch* overdue but hopefully one or two people will find it worthwhile.

@ouchboy - what time would you be able to make it? I would hope it's a good opportunity to talk about any concerns - no shrugging on my part.

@grynch - can't guarantee there will be minutes and I don't think I'll be able to get to GE this time - but can definitely fix another trip soon

@Dougal's Breakfast - agree, but it seemed sensible to do it in Zurich and Basel. If people do want to meet for a chat I'll try and get to as many places as possible - as mentioned above, if I can't do it on this trip then on another one soon. Where are you based?
So Paul, I can call you Paul, right?

Why don't you take some time on THIS forum to answer our concerns and questions? So everyone would be able to participate and get the right information, you know..... the way it should have been done from the start?

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Old 12.10.2011, 11:39
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Re: Drinks evening (with founder of The Local)

I beginning to believe that Paul believes that this forum is not the proper forum to address the concerns of this forum.
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And probably an awful lot who don't particularly give a monkey's chuff
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I live close enough to Zurich to make it for an evening out, but I shan't attend.

The problem is that having an officially organised event which only a tiny percentage of the membership can attend merely reinforces the cliquey feeling about which so many members - especially those located far from Zurich - have complained over the last few years.

It's one thing for an EF member to organise Wednesday drinks at the Viaukt, to which some chap from Sweden happens to turn up. Quite another to organise a "Drinks evening (with the founder of the local)" in Zurich, to which the overwhelming majority of people who might be interested in hearing what the founder of the Local has to say for himself will be excluded merely because they don't happen to live or near Zurich.

Switzerland is remarkable for its lack of centralisation. In the confederation, Zurich is no more important than Bern, Basel, Geneva, Lausanne or Lugano.

It's a shame the English Forum doesn't observe the same principle.

Have your drinks with the Zurich in-crowd. Enjoy yourself!

But don't forget that there are an awful lot of people on EF who will be feeling left out in the cold because of this.
A bit harsh he can't turn up at everyone's doorsteps and ask their opinion. Feck me what should he do next "setup a roadshow" Radio 1 80's style Mick Read?

He's from Sweden, give him a break. Possibly should have been Geneva, Basel and Zurich. Which is close enough for most people to get a pop at the cherry. Let him meet the nice guys in Zurich then perhaps if he doesn't get his head blown off he'll make a few visits elsewhere.

You like me live outside of Zurich and I'll probably make the effort. It's up to you, if it means that much it's a hour on the train for a night on the pop.

What's the problem?!
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so Paul, since you're here...one question for the open forum for those of us that can't attend your pub meeting...

will T&C be re-sent to a fairly large number of us that have commented we never received the original mailing?

also, would you like to comment on the fairly cocked up way the roll out of the new T&C was handled?

thanks

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That's a tricky one. All the email addresses that bounced when we sent out the new T&Cs will be marked as 'inactive' so we don't mail them again. But we don't want to delete them as people may still use them to sign in.

I don't think it would be a good idea to resend the email but the terms are here: http://www.englishforum.ch/xtra/pages/termsofuse.html

As for the way we implemented the T&Cs - it was a bit silly of us not to post about it first. What happened was this: we asked a lawyer in Germany about some changes to the impressum - and added the open question 'is there anything else we should think about' that is probably best to be avoided when talking to lawyers.

The upshot was that given the number of users on Toytown Germany and EF, we were advised to get a proper set of terms and conditions - which the lawyer duly produced for us. And we were told that the best-practice way to introduce new terms was to email everyone with 30 days' notice before they take effect. Email was the recommended channel since the majority of registered users won't log in during those 30 days, so wouldn't have seen a post on the forum itself.

Of course, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to have posted them first...
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The problem is that having an officially organised event which only a tiny percentage of the membership can attend merely reinforces the cliquey feeling about which so many members - especially those located far from Zurich - have complained over the last few years.

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Have your drinks with the Zurich in-crowd. Enjoy yourself!
I think that's a bit harsh DB. They're trying to make an effort. It's not practical for them to be there for every member of the forum, but Zurich covers a good few of them. Perhaps Geneva might have been a better second choice becasue of the distance, but to just dismiss the whole thing seems a bit mean spirited, and unlike the usual pragmatic DB we all know and love.
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Old 12.10.2011, 11:44
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I think that's a bit harsh DB. They're trying to make an effort. It's not practical for them to be there for every member of the forum, but Zurich covers a good few of them. Perhaps Geneva might have been a better second choice becasue of the distance, but to just dismiss the whole thing seems a bit mean spirited, and unlike the usual pragmatic DB we all know and love.

but all the question that can be asked where already posted on here, and totally ignored, now there is a pub event that may or may not answer the questions to a handful of people, and most importantly we still don't know who is buying the drinks!!!
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That's a tricky one. All the email addresses that bounced when we sent out the new T&Cs will be marked as 'inactive' so we don't mail them again. But we don't want to delete them as people may still use them to sign in.

I don't think it would be a good idea to resend the email but the terms are here: http://www.englishforum.ch/xtra/pages/termsofuse.html

As for the way we implemented the T&Cs - it was a bit silly of us not to post about it first. What happened was this: we asked a lawyer in Germany about some changes to the impressum - and added the open question 'is there anything else we should think about' that is probably best to be avoided when talking to lawyers.

The upshot was that given the number of users on Toytown Germany and EF, we were advised to get a proper set of terms and conditions - which the lawyer duly produced for us. And we were told that the best-practice way to introduce new terms was to email everyone with 30 days' notice before they take effect. Email was the recommended channel since the majority of registered users won't log in during those 30 days, so wouldn't have seen a post on the forum itself.

Of course, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to have posted them first...
I can guarantee you my email is active and I never received the original T&A (sic) .. could this be because I've already ticked the box indicting I don't want special-spam-offers ?

and re. the T&A being printed there.. fine.. but then they don't include the special cyanide pill ( do they? )
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