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ah Bans, the diving cert conveyor belt school.

consider an SSI course if you decide to go further as SSI is less commercial and you dont need to buy the books.

if red sea then be aware that sharm is a total hole but some of the best dive schools are there.

camel, werner lau i have used before.

have a look at tony backhurst for package deals.
Hah yeah, seemed that way to me too a little... they certainly go for the sales pitches! However the important thing for me is that the practical experience was solid, and the instructor(s) very experienced... even if mine did have an "old skool" tendency to be a bit brief with the theory aspect of it all.

I know how to prep/clean my kit, do all the relevant hand signals and close buddy work, use a compass/computer (though my navigation using a compass is pretty pap), and understand the fundamentals on how the dive tables work and how nitrogen levels affect subsequent dives. We did a wreck dive, night dive, nature dive and and deep dive to put it all into practise, and all was fine (and thankfully I don't seem to suffer any adverse effects with my ears at depths of 30m+ despite being worried I would). I think that's the best I could have hoped for in any circumstances using the time given!
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knowledge of dive tables is helpful but most use a dive computer as its far more accurate and safer.
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knowledge of dive tables is helpful but most use a dive computer as its far more accurate and safer.
Well of course, but it was theory learning for the course, so we obviously had to learn how to use them manually (we of course also calculated using computers).
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Re: Scuba Diving Certification / Training

I have done my scuba open and advanced in Malta with Go Dive. Great people and very professional. They do have packages on their website (google Go Dive Malta) including hotel and dive packages.

Malta has very nice places to dive and warm and clear water. Everybody speaks english and its safe.

Enjoy diving.
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One thing you have to bear in mind (well actually 3 things) if you're going to do any diving in Swiss lakes, even in summer; it's cold which means:
1) You either have to wear a semi-dry/dry suit and that’s more to think about when you're learning than just a plain 'ole 3mm or even no wetsuit, which are fine for 28 deg + waters.
2) If you don't do (1) then you need at least an 8mm wetsuit, even this affects buoyancy which from my experience, you need to have a few dives under your belt to cope with.
3) Enjoyment. All my dives, with a couple of exceptions, have been in warm water and it's the exceptions that make me emphasise how miserable it can be diving when you’re cold.

As per other’s suggestions – I’d do both closed and OW in Thailand. I personally wouldn’t trust Swiss Dive schools as I had a very bad experience with one getting my equipment services (in Horgen, Zurich). Once bitten etc.

Wish you all the best in your adventure – nothing like jumping off the side of a boat on a hot day and just floating down to the Octopus’s Garden J
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Old 29.08.2012, 18:09
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I would consider a dive in Zürich though as practise inbetween... has anyone here done it much, and is it worth the inevitable Swiss cost? Do you actually get to see much down in Lake Zürich?
I have been in Nusa Penida (that would be off the coast of Bali) two weeks ago and nearly froze my ass off at 21 degrees... so there is absolutely zero chance of me going into a Swiss lake.
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That's why scuba divers invented Octopush - more commonly known as underwater hockey - to keep themselves dive fit when it's too cold to get any enjoyment from going into the open water. There are two underwater hockey clubs in Switzerland, one in Zürich and one starting up next month in Geneva, with momentum growing also in Basel and St Gallen.

Any scuba divers wishing to check out what their forefathers invented, that is still just as much fun today, please go to www.uwh.ch.
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Any divers on here still? - looking for advice.

I currently snorkel on holiday, but would love to try diving. However from my snorkel experience, I fear it may take me some time to learn and be comfortable with clearing my mask and equalising the ears etc. Is there a way to do the qualifications in your own time? All the PADI courses seem very set in their time schedule. I really don't want the stress and pressure of having a limited time in the pool to get comfortable with everything before moving on.
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I currently snorkel on holiday, but would love to try diving. However from my snorkel experience, I fear it may take me some time to learn and be comfortable with clearing my mask and equalising the ears:
IM, a couple of comments. Raised as a water-baby, I was always completely comfortable with swimming in the open. IMHO this is the absolute prerequisite for enjoying diving. I started out diving by doing PADI OW at a Mexican resort where the instructor was an oil rig diver in the St Lawrence. (CH lakes have nothing on that!) He was rigorous teacher, but the peeps who started out uncomfortable in the water fell at the first hurdle. They sucked up air so fast that they didn't have time on each dive to explore and have fun, and they worried about their gear and their ears.

Because of that experience, I caught the bug and went to The Bahamas, Belize, Bora Bora, Hawaii, and the Yucatan. Spent 20 years and every bit of spare cash, which I will never regret. I'd second some of the above comments: Find a good resort programme, and prepare yourself with as much time in the water as possible beforehand. I don't think you will find the timetable that demanding. Best of luck!
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I’m not uncomfortable in the water but I’m not a mermaid either. I’ve done deep water snorkel trips, swimming with whale sharks etc and done long open water triathlon swims. I have just always struggled with water in the eyes, although this has improved since I’ve started going in without contact lenses. The ears worry me slightly as when I try and dive down when snorkelling I have trouble clearing them….. I suspect this might be easier when diving though as you are descending slowly with air (can also descend feet first making it easier) while when snorkelling it always feels rushed. I just think it’ll take me a little practice.
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I have just always struggled with water in the eyes, although this has improved since I’ve started going in without contact lenses. The ears worry me slightly as when I try and dive down when snorkelling I have trouble clearing them….. I suspect this might be easier when diving though as you are descending slowly with air (can also descend feet first making it easier) while when snorkelling it always feels rushed. I just think it’ll take me a little practice.
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1. When you're clearing your mask you don't need the eyes open. And in normal situation you never get water in the mask up to your eye level anyway. Yes, you do need to be able to do the mask removal exercise, and for good reason, but again, it's not required that you keep your eyes open.
2. It's completely different opening your eyes underwater from getting water in them on the surface. The unpleasant sensation you get from water in the eyes is... not nearly as bad.

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Yes, it all happens much more slowly than when snorkelling, and you always clear your ears by holding your nose and closing your mouth. Try it now - can you make your ears 'pop' like that? If so you'll be fine. I did once come across a guy who just could not do this, was doing a trial dive with his son, IIRC, but after the third attempt to descend in as many days he had to give up on it. So it can happen, presumably down to individual physiology, but it's very rare.

Not sure that feet first descent would make any difference, and normally you'll be horizontal to the water line or slightly head-down anyway.
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Not sure that feet first descent would make any difference, and normally you'll be horizontal to the water line or slightly head-down anyway.
When I was reading up on it I read "Studies have shown a Valsalva Maneuver requires 50 percent more force when you're in a head-down position than head-up."

Maybe I'll sign up for the discover scuba and see how it goes
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When I was reading up on it I read "Studies have shown a Valsalva Maneuver requires 50 percent more force when you're in a head-down position than head-up."
Oh right, yes, I see what you mean. Never thought about how much internal pressure it would need.
TBH I don't recall it ever being an issue when snorkelling, and yes. I've snorkelled to >5m many times. I _think_ that normally I'd only need to equalise them if I was trying to stay that deep for more than a few seconds, which would be done once I'm down rather than while descending.

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Just a trial dive should be enough to confirm that you're physically capable of it, and hopefully once you know that it will cease to be a concern.
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When I was reading up on it I read "Studies have shown a Valsalva Maneuver requires 50 percent more force when you're in a head-down position than head-up."

Maybe I'll sign up for the discover scuba and see how it goes
When I dive, I normally use only swallowing to equalise, unless it is too little. For example, I usually make the initial descent head first, as it’s faster, and then always need to initially equalise with the Valsalva Maneuver.

In your early years of doing the various levels of the PADI exams, you‘ll anyway only be descending slowly, feet first. You will stop descending in order to equalise whenever you feel it‘s necessary. There‘s really nothing to worry about, as long as you are still able to hear that „pop“ in your ears, and feel confident that you are equalizing regularly. It‘s the same „pop“ you get when you are flying, and comes naturally. You can practice it from your sofa.

PADI does have on-line courses available generally, but they are pretty cumbersome to use. When you do your PADI training, you receive also on-line courses for your exam, which are pretty good.

Try asking your local Scuba store if they have something digital. Great choice to learn diving - am sure that you‘ll love it!

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Any divers on here still? - looking for advice.

I currently snorkel on holiday, but would love to try diving. However from my snorkel experience, I fear it may take me some time to learn and be comfortable with clearing my mask and equalising the ears etc. Is there a way to do the qualifications in your own time? All the PADI courses seem very set in their time schedule. I really don't want the stress and pressure of having a limited time in the pool to get comfortable with everything before moving on.
I'm a qualified and practicing PADI scuba instructor, and teach (for free) in Switzerland as a hobby.

PADI's schedule is the minimum time, this came around after some places (mostly in Mexico and Thailand) were pumping out "master divers" in a week. For the open water course, this can... in theory, be done in two (long) weekends.... but if you do want to learn and aren't in a rush... drop me a pm.

As the weather improves, I wouldn't mind taking you out and slowly going through it at your pace.


I usually teach 1-2-1, and only ask that people pay for their books, air and PADI fees (for the certification card). Every now and then I get a student that comes along in a size I don't have a semi-dry for, and they then rent that from one of the stores.


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Any divers on here still? - looking for advice.

I currently snorkel on holiday, but would love to try diving. However from my snorkel experience, I fear it may take me some time to learn and be comfortable with clearing my mask and equalising the ears etc. Is there a way to do the qualifications in your own time? All the PADI courses seem very set in their time schedule. I really don't want the stress and pressure of having a limited time in the pool to get comfortable with everything before moving on.
Forgot to mention about the eyes. I dive with my contacts without problem - need them for reading - and don‘t feel the need to close my eyes when clearing the mask, taking it off etc. If you‘re removing your contacts however when diving, ensure that you‘re still able to read your dive computer/depth/submersible pressure (SPG) gauge. You can also order dive masks with your prescription if needed.
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I'm a qualified and practicing PADI scuba instructor, and teach (for free) in Switzerland as a hobby.

PADI's schedule is the minimum time, this came around after some places (mostly in Mexico and Thailand) were pumping out "master divers" in a week. For the open water course, this can... in theory, be done in two (long) weekends.... but if you do want to learn and aren't in a rush... drop me a pm.

As the weather improves, I wouldn't mind taking you out and slowly going through it at your pace.


I usually teach 1-2-1, and only ask that people pay for their books, air and PADI fees (for the certification card). Every now and then I get a student that comes along in a size I don't have a semi-dry for, and they then rent that from one of the stores.


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Forgot to mention about the eyes. I dive with my contacts without problem - need them for reading - and don‘t feel the need to close my eyes when clearing the mask, taking it off etc. If you‘re removing your contacts however when diving, ensure that you‘re still able to read your dive computer/depth/submersible pressure (SPG) gauge. You can also order dive masks with your prescription if needed.
I bought my Tusa snorkel mask with their pre-made prescription lenses. But out of the water they were only in focus when looking completely forwards, the sides were blurred. When I tried them out in the water, they were perfectly ok - until I realised that I'd left my contact lenses in and actually had double correction - so weird - the water obviously has an effect on vision.

For now I've put the plain lenses back in, but I need to go into the water and experiment with the lenses, see if I can read my watch etc.
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I bought my Tusa snorkel mask with their pre-made prescription lenses. But out of the water they were only in focus when looking completely forwards, the sides were blurred. When I tried them out in the water, they were perfectly ok - until I realised that I'd left my contact lenses in and actually had double correction - so weird - the water obviously has an effect on vision.

For now I've put the plain lenses back in, but I need to go into the water and experiment with the lenses, see if I can read my watch etc.
When you do your certifications, they will ask if you wear contacts. I wear soft-dailies, and have never lost one. The good thing about the PADI system, is if you get into difficulties then your buddy will always be there for you
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Make sure that you wipe your nose once out of the water - I have seen so many fellow divers all excited taking off their masks and oblivious of laces of snot hanging out or plastered across their cheeks...
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Yup, absolutely. Feel the same way after removing my Corona FFP2 (double) masks. With the FFP2 mask, this is the last time you want to run into people you haven‘t seen for ages and that want to catch up. With diving, you just need to dip your face on surfacing into the Ocean. A quick swipe and you’re all done��
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