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Old 06.02.2011, 00:54
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Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Hi All,

I'm currently the proud owner of an Intense Tracer VP (160mm with a nice sturdy build) which I use for all mountain, and heavy trail riding including trips to the Engadine (had a great time in the summer on the Suvretta trail!).

I'm now considering something a little more hard-core, and had pretty much settled on a new Intense M9 or 951.

I was in Mountain Thrill (in Horgen) the other day drooling over the M9s, 951s, Uzzi's and SS2s he's got there, when me and the owner started discussing.

He wasn't sure that a full DH bike was what I really wanted, and advised me to go for something along the lines of an SS2 or Uzzi. His main reasoning was that there's not many opportunities to ride something hard-core around the local region (for me that's Schwyz). Plus all trails here would be pretty much inaccessible due to the climbing involved.

Not keen on the Uzzi, but have read very good things about the SS2, however even if I built one up with a 180mm Fox 36 or Marzocchi 66, i'd still have only 160mm-ish rear travel which isn't a million miles away from my tracer VP. In contrast the M9 or 951 would be a different category all together.

Admittedly the SS2 is far more hard-core than the Tracer VP (and he told me it will handle anything), but is it a worthy upgrade? or should I go the whole hog with the M9?

So as I said i'm in a dilemma at the moment as to what's best.
Therefore I'd like to hear from the CH DH/Freeride community; what would you do? and is there anywhere local-ish, that I could go for good up lifts and flowing trails where a 200mm bike would come into it's own.

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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Have you thought of renting? Considering the amount of places you can use it, most have lifts and therefore rental stores. I have not done any reasearch on exactly what is available where, but for 10 or so times you can really use it per year, it is probably cheaper as well.
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Old 06.02.2011, 11:32
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

True, that's also an option.

But after seeing this (or an apple green version of it) in the store in Horgen the other day



I'm seriously tempted......
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

My bad.....how about this now then;

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My bad.....how about this now then;

That is one nice piece of kit, my wife slapped me when she saw me drooling over it.
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Old 06.02.2011, 22:02
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Lars knows what he's talking about.

He has an 951, Uzzi and I think a tracer himself so he's in a good position to let you know. I like Lars because he's straight with you. He doesn't bull to try to sell you a bike he will push you towards what he firmly believes is the best bike for you from the brands he has. He'll not push you towards one in stock either and will always order in exactly what you want.

I have an Intense 5.5 (predecessor to the Tracer) and an Uzzi VP. The Uzzi can be set up pretty DH. I've got it set up in the most upright position on the G3 dropouts and have ridden things like the DH course in Zermatt which will be used for the European Championships this year and the DH in Fiesch which is F'kin steep. It can be set up a lot more relaxed than this (65.5deg if I remember correct) and will be much more like a DH bike if you do this. I'm not a Downhiller though and the vast majority of riding I do is trail. The Uzzi is still well able to do this and pedalable back up to do it again if there is no lift. I've got mine set with a Totem which is more than adequate.

Unless you are going to be doing big drops and jumps the 951 or M9 are overkill in my opinion.

In many cases it's down to the rider. I know people who will do DH courses on things like the Tracer with a Talas 36 and ride it faster than a lot of people on full DH bikes. In most cases angles are more important than travel.

Edit: Rent one and try it out. You'll never know for sure if you don't. I've ridden a few full DH bikes at test days in the past and for me they would just be complete overkill for the riding I do. I do an awful lot of uplifts in summer too and have done days with 6000-8000m descending in day.
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Hi,

Yeah no doubt about it - Lars is a stand up guy.

I've been to him a couple of times now, and find him very straight forward and easy to deal with. I definitely didn't get the impression that he was trying to push me in any direction, just give me some advise.

Now I find myself considering some other options. I was playing with the idea of changing to a Tracer 2, then maybe getting something else in the summer to do uplifts. That would be an M9, but honestly i'm just not sure what to go for now - as they're are a number of ways to go. Admittedly geometry is key here, and not so much travel; you're right there.

He suggested a SS2 as a good climbing mini-DH, and has a very nice orange one there.

However your idea of hiring a couple of different models makes a lot of sense. I'll be going back this week to collect my Tracer so i'll ask him about it.
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Old 07.02.2011, 12:56
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Yeah no doubt about it - Lars is a stand up guy.

I've been to him a couple of times now, and find him very straight forward and easy to deal with. I definitely didn't get the impression that he was trying to push me in any direction, just give me some advise.

Now I find myself considering some other options. I was playing with the idea of changing to a Tracer 2, then maybe getting something else in the summer to do uplifts. That would be an M9, but honestly i'm just not sure what to go for now - as they're are a number of ways to go. Admittedly geometry is key here, and not so much travel; you're right there.

He suggested a SS2 as a good climbing mini-DH, and has a very nice orange one there.

However your idea of hiring a couple of different models makes a lot of sense. I'll be going back this week to collect my Tracer so i'll ask him about it.
It purely comes down to what you want to do. I got my Uzzi because I was trashing my 5.5 on uplift days. I was coming back from weekends and needing new rims or sending my air shock back after blowing a seal and would be unable to ride until I got them back. I do pretty much the same riding on both bikes but the Uzzi is much more stable and user friendly when pointed downhill. Despite having a moderately heavy build on it at the moment (16kg) I'll still climb 1400m in a day on it, it's not ideal for that but it works.

I don't see why you'd change to the tracer 2 AND get a second bike. I'd either keep the Tracer 1 and get a slightly beefier bike with coil spring and built a bit beefier to use on days when you feel you'd be giving the tracer a hammering, OR change to the tracer 2 as one bike. I think it's about a degree more relaxed than the original tracer and is built a bit more trail/descending orientated than the original tracer or 5.5.

For me the one bike option doesn't work. I spend too much time with something going back to the shop for repair. But two bikes with a bit of overlap in the terrain they can be used in works perfect. blow the shocks or the fork on one bike I can still ride the other one without having to totally change plans.

I personally get really bored rding the same trail all the time on uplift days so tend to ride away from the lifts which usually involves a bit of climbing/hike a bike to get to a less used trail, ride down, get the lift back up and do a different trail again. For me the Uzzi is perfect for this and on the days I do end up on a proper Downhill trail it's me that's the limiting factor not the bike.

At the end of the day it's personal preference, any advice you get here or from Lars will be applied to what you want to do. If you want to blem down the same trail all day with no up in between then a DH bike will work. It might be overkill for some courses and just right for others. If you want to have a heavier duty bike for lift assisted trail riding with some pedalling thrown in then I'd personally stay away from the full DH.
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Unfortunately not much localish for DH. Better to get something that can pedal up. There is a nice trail near Arth goldau. But with a two hour train ride you can have a whole host of areas for DH. I am a different rider than Eire as I perfer to do the same track over and over again until I know it like the back of my hand. Thats when you can really let it rip, take the bigger jumps and harder lines. But I also like to explore, I think two bike$ is the best option. I need to trade in my trance and get something around 140-160mm that can pedal up but has the geo for pointing it down. If only I could stop breaking crap on my gambler. lol
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Thanks to you both for the advise.

I was in mountain thrill again to pick up my Tracer from service, and had a sit on the SS2 there - it's also a nice piece of kit, and reading about it i'm tempted.

Still though, I'm tempted to wait a couple of weeks till the weather turns, then take some test rides.

For now though, I'll be having some fun on the tracer over the weekend.
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Nice piece of kit indeed, our of interest, what sort of money are we talking here?

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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

An M9 is somewhere between 6 and 7k built up nice.

This is now almost identical to the US prices. It used to be much more expensive though (got quoted 11k on my Tracer in CH a couple of years ago......so flew went to CRC in Ireland and had it built there - for MUCH less money).

Now sure what an SS2 would be though, probably a couple of grand cheaper.

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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

*drool *

That puts my Giant Box Two to shame.. deep shame



Sold it before i came over here.. idiot.. found some nice tracks yet no bike to enjoy them..
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Prices have come down overall I believe, but quality has increased.

If you are looking for something totally trail capable, for reasonable money, take a look at this - http://dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-100-...pitch-pro.html

It has been rated for the last two years in Dirt's top 100 products, which is something.

The SS2 is there too for 2011.......
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Prices have come down overall I believe, but quality has increased.

If you are looking for something totally trail capable, for reasonable money, take a look at this - http://dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-100-...pitch-pro.html

It has been rated for the last two years in Dirt's top 100 products, which is something.

The SS2 is there too for 2011.......

The Pitch pro is a pretty good bike, My brother in law has one and let me do a few runs on it. (mostly cause he wanted to ride my gambler) Very impressive. It`s light, pedals well, and can take most DH runs. He even took it to PDS and had a blast on it. I was surprised how plush it felt in the rough sections. Not the bike for drops to flat, but can handle most jumps that have a decent landing, even the jumps in Chatel. This may be my next bike to replace my Trance. Although the Orange Alpine 160 looks more like the bike for me, if it wasnt so damn expensive
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

Where in gods green earth did you get quoted 11000CHF for an Intense built up? They saw you coming! I paid substantially less than that for mine. I got my Uzzi not too long after you got your Tracer and my 5.5 in 2008.

When I bought the Uzzi I checked on CRC to build it and it was cheaper here in CH with the added benefit of being able to bring it in if something went wrong.

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i think u can use full dh mtb in ch, mmmm the question how meny bike u want to hold
for now i have 3, one for xc race and trails, one for all mountain, and new one that i buy, for enduro, freeride, and it can take even dh routs with out any problems.
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Re: Dilemma - can you really use a full DH MTB in CH?

My stepson has been doing DH for ten years or more. He lives in Uster, but as far as I know always goes to Grigioni for DH.

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Where in gods green earth did you get quoted 11000CHF for an Intense built up? They saw you coming! I paid substantially less than that for mine. I got my Uzzi not too long after you got your Tracer and my 5.5 in 2008.

When I bought the Uzzi I checked on CRC to build it and it was cheaper here in CH with the added benefit of being able to bring it in if something went wrong.
How much did your Uzzi cost? I saw a couple of people from Luzern on Liteville 901's today on the Uteliberg. They weighed the same as my trance Nice looking bikes.
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