Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Activities > Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 03.06.2011, 16:03
Deep Purple's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: England
Posts: 5,264
Groaned at 15 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 5,273 Times in 2,563 Posts
Deep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
When you stop to eat, you may wish to remove your boots and socks, plus elevate your feet for 20 minutes or so. This could help.

Does this picture look similar to what you're experiencing?
That's what I get across the back of my ankles. Nice to know there is a name for it.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 03.06.2011, 21:02
MathNut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Kt. Glarus
Posts: 4,417
Groaned at 34 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 10,952 Times in 3,253 Posts
MathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
That path is the one myself (and a couple of other board members) have run - although we started in Walenstadt. The terrain from Garadur (sounds like a location from Lord of the Rings) to Josen is the toughest of the route.

I'd argue you really don't need ankle support on that path - BUT you might want good tread.
Whew! That is the walk we nearly took instead yesterday... so good to know.

If all else fails I suppose I can give it another try in low shoes. Seriously though, used to twist my ankle every single hike until I bought these. Unpleasant memories of hobbling back down the mountain with a swollen ankle and a palm full of chestnut spines to boot.

Quote:
View Post
When you stop to eat, you may wish to remove your boots and socks, plus elevate your feet for 20 minutes or so. This could help.

Does this picture look similar to what you're experiencing?
Nope, not at all. DB had that today though, nice to know there's a name for it.

Mine's more like this - but only the top bit, no pooling in the foot.

For what it's worth, I can walk for hours on the flat, in low-cut shoes, and not have pain or noticeable swelling.
Quote:
View Post
MN, can you link a pic of the boots you are using?

Hiking boots can be laced all kinds of fancy ways, so that they are snug in the right places and loose in the right places. I have a beloved old pair that always felt great and I wore them often enough that they are on their second set of soles, but now on the occasions that I wear them (far less often than before) I have to fiddle around with the lacing to find that sweet spot again, otherwise I have the same ankle pain you are getting.
Here you go - ladies version of these:
__________________
Need help? Contact a mod.

Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 03.06.2011, 21:20
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,356
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,459 Times in 2,966 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

I'm inclined to think that it might be the blood having trouble flowing in/out somewhere...if the redness is happening above your boot - if you were wearing long socks it might be the socks rather than the shoes ?

I dunno, just some thoughts...the gym socks might actually put more pressure on the skin (they tend to be quite 'elastic') - thick hiking socks will help your skin breathe, and not compress your skin - just a nice cushioning layer...

I've never sprained my ankles hiking, but I definitely can 'roll' them - especially going down hill on a slippery slope.

my mum was 'prescribed' walking on soft sand to build the muscle/bone strength and balance. It's really quite hard work to walk on sand.

Certianly in my training for infants, we were told that 'supportive' shoes are not recommended for small children who are learning to walk...barefoot is better as it helps them to be sensitive to the signals from their feet, balance, coordination, and strength in the muscles across the whole foot.

And besides, if your toes are cramped, it really doesn't help your balance at all...it's the pads at the end of your toes that your brain uses to decide when you are leaning forward enough to transfer your weight and lift the foot...
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank swisspea for this useful post:
  #44  
Old 03.06.2011, 21:21
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,105
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

With a name like that, no wonder those boots hurt.

I'd try the hiking socks and a different lacing method before I went to the expense of buying new boots which might, or might not, solve the problem. Just think of the maths of it!

Me, I like the extra support of boots when I go hiking. Around here, I wear solidish gym shoes to go on smoother ground. Anyway, I'd always have wet feet if I went hiking in flat shoes. Mr L has a knack for finding deep mud even if it hasn't rained for ages. I'm lucky if it doesn't go over the top of my boots; just imagine my socks if I wore flat shoes. Yuck
__________________
Longbyt
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Longbyt for this useful post:
  #45  
Old 03.06.2011, 22:01
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zürich
Posts: 520
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 450 Times in 254 Posts
ThomasSSS has a reputation beyond reputeThomasSSS has a reputation beyond reputeThomasSSS has a reputation beyond reputeThomasSSS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

I'm going to second the suggestion of learning some physical therapy style ankle exercises, with or without finding a physical therapist. They can make a huge difference, and the sooner you start the better.

I have slightly unstable right ankle, from a sprain years ago. It tends to feel a lot more stable when I remember to spend time on my wobble board. The problem is that I do it when the ankle feels soft, then it stops feeling soft and I forget.. until it feels soft again.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank ThomasSSS for this useful post:
  #46  
Old 04.06.2011, 01:07
zymogen's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: ...
Posts: 948
Groaned at 9 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 1,082 Times in 454 Posts
zymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond reputezymogen has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
I've got a pair of nice, apparently comfortable walking boots (felt extremely comfortable in the store, still do whenever I first put them on) but after about 90 minutes of walking it starts to feel as though the tops are bruising my ankles. I never get actual purple-the-next-day bruises, but ankles are sore and "bruised-feeling" for several days after.

I assumed I just needed to break the shoes in and/or toughen up my ankles a bit, so have been wearing them to work occasionally as well as weekends. Been doing that for several months though, and it's not helping. I just come home with sore ankles every time.

Hiking in low shoes isn't really an option as I have fairly weak ankles... will invariably put a foot wrong on a stone at some point, turn an ankle and be limping for a week.

Again, I've absolutely no complaint with how these fit my feet, in fact they're some of the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn apart from this ankle business, so if anyone has any suggestions that don't involve several hours traipsing round shoe shops (again) looking for a new pair, I'd be especially grateful.

Or is this just normal, part of the expected pain of long walks over rough Wanderwegs? Am I too late to the game, having spent all my skeletally formative years in a flat country wearing low-cut sneakers? (High-tops always hurt my ankles and so I never ever wore them... fashion or no fashion.)

Thanks for any advice you can give me.
This really takes the fun out of hiking. I had the same with my new hiking boots, the outer ankle bone hurt for 1-2 days after wearing them but the foot looked normal. In my case it improved after using the shoes 3-4 times. Keep my fingers crossed that the suggestions in this thread work for you. Happy hiking!
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 04.06.2011, 01:24
Mud's Avatar
Mud Mud is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Romandie
Posts: 2,551
Groaned at 26 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 5,004 Times in 1,827 Posts
Mud has a reputation beyond reputeMud has a reputation beyond reputeMud has a reputation beyond reputeMud has a reputation beyond reputeMud has a reputation beyond reputeMud has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

I don't know if you've already tried just not lacing the upper part or not already, so this may be moot.

First, you probably already know what a surgeon's knot is, if not it looks like this (the middle pic is what we want):



It's just the usual first step when tying your shoes- plus one more.

Do this where the laces exit the eyelets (blue arrow), and you can snug up the lower part of the lacing as you like and it will hold. Now you can adjust the upper so that it's not so snug that it kills your ankles without having the whole boot flopping around on your foot.




By the way- doing the extra 'over and under' as above will help keep any shoe tied. And, this is a biggie: if your bow isn't nice and horizontal but wants to go all vertical on you- just reverse the order of the first step... that is, if you usually do right-over-left, do left-over-right, and the bow will look as neat as a little bow-tie.

Last edited by Mud; 04.06.2011 at 11:22. Reason: spelling
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Mud for this useful post:
  #48  
Old 04.06.2011, 09:38
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,105
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Thanks mud. That's exactly what I meant about the double twisted knot and lacing the 'wrong way' round the hook in my post. I obviously just wasn't very good at explaining it.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Longbyt for this useful post:
  #49  
Old 04.06.2011, 09:43
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Not sure if this has been recommended yet (no time to look - on my way out) but perhaps if you decide to completely slacken off the ankle support of the boot you could wear one of those elastic tubular bandages to give a bit of extra support but not too restrictive for your walking.

It might act as a bit of insurance in case you do take on some rough ground with the wrong side of your foot.

Another thought occurred to me, too. Swimming with lots of up and down kicking (front crawl, etc) will gently build up strength and flexibility in a wobbly ankle without risk of further injury.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 04.06.2011, 09:58
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,105
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
Swimming with lots of up and down kicking (front crawl, etc) will gently build up strength and flexibility in a wobbly ankle without risk of further injury.
Some of the swimmers I know with a good front crawl kick have quite 'wobbly ankles'.
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 07.06.2011, 15:13
PTKate's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: St Cergue, canton Vaud, CH
Posts: 376
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 115 Times in 73 Posts
PTKate has a reputation beyond reputePTKate has a reputation beyond reputePTKate has a reputation beyond reputePTKate has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Don't suppose you've had a chance to try out Muds suggestion, but that would be mine, for the time being anyway, whilst you're developing nice strong ankles. Just not laceing the top bit, often helps.

In terms of ankle strengthening this is also worth doing even if you decide to stick with boots. Even without wobble boards, just standing on a cushion barefoot on 1 leg, progressing to closing your eyes or doing anything to safely challenge the ankle area will help strengthen the various structures, including lower leg. People with strong ankles still go over on them occasionally but the ligaments if strengthened tend not to snap but retain their elasticity and stretch/give a bit. This gives us the confidence to run around with little support. Bare in mind ligaments and tendons take longer than muscles to strengthen.

The swelling - hands or feet tends to improve as fitness improves (not that I'm suggesting your not fit but it should get better if you improve your fitness level)
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 07.06.2011, 16:13
Niranjan
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
Agreed

The only times I tend to wear boots now are:

1. When I require the extra rigidity that boots require when wearing crampons or snow shoes.
2. When I require the waterproofing/snow proofing of boots when wearing in conjunction with gaiters/overtrousers.
3. When I'm walking in a particularly rocky area with piles sharp edged rocks.
4. When I'm carrying a really heavy pack over rough, rocky terrain.

Otherwise it's walking shoes with no ankle support.
I would agree with this completely.

But speaking from a practical perspective most people would rather find creative ways to make the big boot fit them rather than make their feet healthy enough not to need them. This can partially be explained by the sunk cost fallacy. It is like watching a bad movie, just because you paid a huge amount you want to "use" it even if it means wasting your time and suffering through the movie or weakening your legs by wearing boots for simple walks.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #53  
Old 07.06.2011, 16:18
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,653
Groaned at 280 Times in 231 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
It is like watching a bad movie, just because you paid a huge amount you want to "use" it even if it means wasting your time and suffering through the movie or weakening your legs by wearing boots for simple walks.
I walked out of "War of the Worlds" - it was bloody awful. I wasn't quite sure what was less believable - the aliens or Tom Cruise appearing "tall"

Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #54  
Old 07.06.2011, 16:37
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 16,518
Groaned at 582 Times in 457 Posts
Thanked 24,722 Times in 9,952 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Quote:
View Post
In terms of ankle strengthening this is also worth doing even if you decide to stick with boots. Even without wobble boards, just standing on a cushion barefoot on 1 leg, progressing to closing your eyes or doing anything to safely challenge the ankle area will help strengthen the various structures, including lower leg.
Progressing to standing on rolled up exercise mat (or Karrimat)
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 07.06.2011, 18:29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zürich
Posts: 349
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 456 Times in 196 Posts
Ziger has a reputation beyond reputeZiger has a reputation beyond reputeZiger has a reputation beyond reputeZiger has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

I can sympathize: I am one of those that used to be able to sprain my ankle in hiking boots. Now it is minimalism for me. The soles of minimalist shoes are so flexible that you are aware immediately of any position of the foot or ankle that could be a problem and can correct it before anything happens. Amden-Quinten is a regular route for me and I have never come close to spraining my ankle since I switch to minimalist shoes. My advice: work on strengthening your ankles and feet and make the move towards hiking shoes that have a much more flexible sole and are much lighter than what you are used to. Inov-8 makes these kinds of hiking shoes (lightwith a flexible sole but still cushioned) and, according to their website, Fridolin Sport in Glarus carries them. Might be worth a try.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Ziger for this useful post:
  #56  
Old 13.06.2011, 23:34
MathNut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Kt. Glarus
Posts: 4,417
Groaned at 34 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 10,952 Times in 3,253 Posts
MathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Just a quick update - we went for another walk yesterday, I tried Mud's & Longbyt's fancy lacing technique, and... it works! Not a smidgen of ankle pain, either during or after the walk.

I'm still going to have a look at the Wandersocken next time I'm near a sport shop but I think that's done the trick as far as my ankles are concerned.

Thanks, everybody!

And to those recommending low-cut or minimal-ish shoes... I hear what you're saying, but last night I managed to stumble in a dry stream bed, went headlong, bruised my right knee and palm of left hand. Didn't twist my ankle though, thanks to the '(should-be-)unnecessary' high-top shoes - and so I was able to pick myself up and continue the walk.
Scorecard: -1 for klutzy MathNut, +1 for good stout clodhoppers.

I am not denying the kinematic virtues of all these vibrams and other whatsits, but unless and until I grow out of this becoming-distracted-and-tripping-over-things phase, I think we'd better stipulate that I am just not cut out for minimalist anything. If I could enjoy the scenery in a full body cast it'd probably be the safest way.
__________________
Need help? Contact a mod.

Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank MathNut for this useful post:
  #57  
Old 15.06.2011, 12:03
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,105
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Shoes 26, ankles 0, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel

Having saved you the price of, and bother of looking for, a new pair of boots, I hope we both get our just reward.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Longbyt for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
ankles, hiking boots, lacing boots




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0