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Yees, so what makes you think that the diet described, which may be relatively high in carbohydrate, would "cause" diabetes?

One should be careful not to infer inverse effects, as here - your link shows some opinion that low carb diets might be good for diabetics, although even that is not the accepted view (of your link), e.g.
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but there's nothing there at all to suggest that the inverse is true, i.e. that higher carb diets "cause" diabetes.

It's clear from mainstream medical science over the last couple of decades that high-sugar diets can contribute to the development of diabetes in some prone individuals, but even that is not the same as saying it is a "cause".
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Yees, so what makes you think that the diet described, which may be relatively high in carbohydrate, would "cause" diabetes?

One should be careful not to infer inverse effects, as here - your link shows some opinion that low carb diets might be good for diabetics, although even that is not the accepted view (of your link), e.g. but there's nothing there at all to suggest that the inverse is true, i.e. that higher carb diets "cause" diabetes.

It's clear from mainstream medical science over the last couple of decades that high-sugar diets can contribute to the development of diabetes in some prone individuals, but even that is not the same as saying it is a "cause".
True. High sugar/carb diets can speed up the onset of diabetes where diabetes would happen at some point in the future. But because "at some point" can be "ever" and because humans live a finite amount of time, "cause something that will happen eventually to happen sooner/now" is functionally the same as "cause"
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I'm currently traveling thru Morocco and don't get internet access everywhere but coconut sugar is a great alternative and even better than Agave which I also use from time to time.

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I never once mentioned it as being healthy, I don't believe in the concept of healthy or unhealthy food, I only mentioned it to Nil as a possible alternative to the sugar she was craving as I believe it is better alternative to refined sugar. Overall diet is what counts, I'm more than happy to consume agave in the way I do just as I do with other sugary food stuffs which make up a minimal percentage of my diet.
Actually, agave syrup is more calorie dense than brown and white sugar. Given a lot of people are addicted to processed sugars, I don't know why you'd suggest using agave syrup to get a sweet thrill, as opposed to suggesting eating sweet fruits or sweet vegetables. Also, calories are just 1 part of a review of goodness, hence why packaging has to contain so much more info, and why someone can have a sickly unhealthy body, despite controlling calories to hit a number on the scale (the skinny fat phenomenon is part of this).

You advocated an agave syrup that is dissimilar to those that are being criticised (calling it real, nothing like the agave syrup condemned) yet in (fairly and politely, and given this is a discussion forum) asking for details about that particular type, you have reverted to the catch all phrase "everything in moderation" and not given any info about the better agave syrup you advocated as so different.

I've posted quite a few times that nothing can be consumed freely, even if it is clean food, so the point about moderation is a given. What remains is the question about the different agave syrup. If you are avoiding the question, just say that please.

@nil did you see my questions above, asking if your family are also healthy eating etc? I didn't see a response from you to them, and know you have mentioned missing posts. Also, is your profile picture how you currently look, in terms of body shape and weight, assuming it is you in the picture and not a random? I see various people commenting on your weight, but don't know if they base that on meeting you or on your picture here.
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Actually, agave syrup is more calorie dense than brown and white sugar. Given a lot of people are addicted to processed sugars, I don't know why you'd suggest using agave syrup to get a sweet thrill, as opposed to suggesting eating sweet fruits or sweet vegetables. Also, calories are just 1 part of a review of goodness, hence why packaging has to contain so much more info, and why someone can have a sickly unhealthy body, despite controlling calories to hit a number on the scale (the skinny fat phenomenon is part of this).

You advocated an agave syrup that is dissimilar to those that are being criticised (calling it real, nothing like the agave syrup condemned) yet in (fairly and politely, and given this is a discussion forum) asking for details about that particular type, you have reverted to the catch all phrase "everything in moderation" and not given any info about the better agave syrup you advocated as so different.

I've posted quite a few times that nothing can be consumed freely, even if it is clean food, so the point about moderation is a given. What remains is the question about the different agave syrup. If you are avoiding the question, just say that please.

@nil did you see my questions above, asking if your family are also healthy eating etc? I didn't see a response from you to them, and know you have mentioned missing posts. Also, is your profile picture how you currently look, in terms of body shape and weight, assuming it is you in the picture and not a random? I see various people commenting on your weight, but don't know if they base that on meeting you or on your picture here.
Nil, can you please toss the syrup so we can stop hearing about syrups as an alternative for dieting? Eat an apple.
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Whilst I was shopping, I had a look at the agave syrup (3 bottles). None said agave nectar on the front. All were branded as bio agave syrup, and mentioned being good for health. All were highly unhealthy. If someone was consuming a little once a month, its not the biggest deal, but this syrup should be avoided generally.

Can you suggest a brand that is healthy please?
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You advocated an agave syrup that is dissimilar to those that are being criticised (calling it real, nothing like the agave syrup condemned) yet in (fairly and politely, and given this is a discussion forum) asking for details about that particular type, you have reverted to the catch all phrase "everything in moderation" and not given any info about the better agave syrup you advocated as so different.

I've posted quite a few times that nothing can be consumed freely, even if it is clean food, so the point about moderation is a given. What remains is the question about the different agave syrup. If you are avoiding the question, just say that please.
Speaking of skipping over posts, I still haven't found out why all the bio agave syrups you found were "highly unhealthy". Isn't that also a bit of a catch-all subjective description?

Chewing on a car tyre is also "highly unhealthy" but I know which I would prefer if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to choose.

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True. High sugar/carb diets can speed up the onset of diabetes where diabetes would happen at some point in the future. But because "at some point" can be "ever" and because humans live a finite amount of time, "cause something that will happen eventually to happen sooner/now" is functionally the same as "cause"
Flawed logic, I'm afraid. First, this latter statement would only be valid if you accepted that everyone would eventually develop the illness. Which is clearly not the case. Also it confuses 'cause' with 'contributory factor'.

So, if you were to change your (implied) statement "high carb diets cause diabetes" to "high sugar diets may significantly speed up, and increase the chances of, onset of diabetes in the at-risk population" then I'll agree.

FWIW this isn't just an example of pedantry, but what we have to do all the time when bringing new (drug) treatments to approval. The regulatory bodies would reject out of hand anything using terminology such as you did earlier, so we have to be very careful about the wordings we use meaning exactly and only what we can actually support with evidence.
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@nil did you see my questions above, asking if your family are also healthy eating etc? I didn't see a response from you to them, and know you have mentioned missing posts. Also, is your profile picture how you currently look, in terms of body shape and weight, assuming it is you in the picture and not a random? I see various people commenting on your weight, but don't know if they base that on meeting you or on your picture here.
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Nil, can you please toss the syrup so we can stop hearing about syrups as an alternative for dieting? Eat an apple.
Sorry,

Yes my family eat healthily. I don't like to give sweets to my kids only on occasions. They are good with it. We all eat balance diet.

It is not me on the picture. Many people know me in real life and there is a photo of my lower body in skinny jeans somewhere..

No sirup. I eat cucumbers with a bit of salt when I crave crips and carrots salads when I crave sweets. I eat a piece of dark chocolat as well.
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Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Agave is lower in calories than sugar and is also sweeter so you use less. It also contains trace elements and minerals that sugar does not. As for the cheap thrill well try getting that from an apple . I certainly can't if I am having a rare sugar craving, I get that that is the overall healthier option to eat a carrot or an apple but the reality is sometimes you just want a sweet hit and to hell with the healthy diet. As for the type of agave syrup I am advocating that is the real deal as far as I am concerned; the links you posted talked about syrup in the form of nectar being a totally manufactured product or the natural product having extra fructose or corn syrup added. I would not and do not endorse them.









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Actually, agave syrup is more calorie dense than brown and white sugar. Given a lot of people are addicted to processed sugars, I don't know why you'd suggest using agave syrup to get a sweet thrill, as opposed to suggesting eating sweet fruits or sweet vegetables. Also, calories are just 1 part of a review of goodness, hence why packaging has to contain so much more info, and why someone can have a sickly unhealthy body, despite controlling calories to hit a number on the scale (the skinny fat phenomenon is part of this).

You advocated an agave syrup that is dissimilar to those that are being criticised (calling it real, nothing like the agave syrup condemned) yet in (fairly and politely, and given this is a discussion forum) asking for details about that particular type, you have reverted to the catch all phrase "everything in moderation" and not given any info about the better agave syrup you advocated as so different.

I've posted quite a few times that nothing can be consumed freely, even if it is clean food, so the point about moderation is a given. What remains is the question about the different agave syrup. If you are avoiding the question, just say that please.
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Sorry,

Yes my family eat healthily. I don't like to give sweets to my kids only on occasions. They are good with it. We all eat balance diet.

It is not me on the picture. Many people know me in real life and there is a photo of my lower body in skinny jeans somewhere..

No sirup. I eat cucumbers with a bit of salt when I crave crips and carrots salads when I crave sweets. I eat a piece of dark chocolat as well.
Thanks for explaining. Do you need to lose weight, or is the diet just about eating healthier things?

Many congratulations on your progress so far.
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Thanks for explaining. Do you need to lose weight, or is the diet just about eating healthier things?

Many congratulations on your progress so far.
The diet is about controlling her Pre diabetes so the weight loss thread is not really the best place to be discussing Nil's specific case as weight loss is not the main purpose of the diet.

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Actually, agave syrup is more calorie dense than brown and white sugar. Given a lot of people are addicted to processed sugars, I don't know why you'd suggest using agave syrup to get a sweet thrill, as opposed to suggesting eating sweet fruits or sweet vegetables. Also, calories are just 1 part of a review of goodness, hence why packaging has to contain so much more info, and why someone can have a sickly unhealthy body, despite controlling calories to hit a number on the scale (the skinny fat phenomenon is part of this).

You advocated an agave syrup that is dissimilar to those that are being criticised (calling it real, nothing like the agave syrup condemned) yet in (fairly and politely, and given this is a discussion forum) asking for details about that particular type, you have reverted to the catch all phrase "everything in moderation" and not given any info about the better agave syrup you advocated as so different.

I've posted quite a few times that nothing can be consumed freely, even if it is clean food, so the point about moderation is a given. What remains is the question about the different agave syrup. If you are avoiding the question, just say that please.

@nil did you see my questions above, asking if your family are also healthy eating etc? I didn't see a response from you to them, and know you have mentioned missing posts. Also, is your profile picture how you currently look, in terms of body shape and weight, assuming it is you in the picture and not a random? I see various people commenting on your weight, but don't know if they base that on meeting you or on your picture here.
Whats your definition of " clean food " whats does it have or not have compared to others ?
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The diet is about controlling her Pre diabetes so the weight loss thread is not really the best place to be discussing Nil's specific case as weight loss is not the main purpose of the diet.
Pre diabetes huh?
I just read "The wheat belly" by William Davis. Interesting stuff and scarring at the same time.

I am off wheat for 4 weeks to learn about the outcome first hand.
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Pre diabetes huh?
I just read "The wheat belly" by William Davis. Interesting stuff and scarring at the same time.

I am off wheat for 4 weeks to learn about the outcome first hand.
I have a friend who was suffering from depression and strange allergies, some of which damaged her skin, and her doctor has been eliminating and re introducing food into her diet.

They have decided a few months ago it was wheat that was the issue. Since then, her complexion has gotten better and depression free. This is a depression she has suffered for over 10 years. She is smoking far less now as well.

She hung out with me about a month ago for a few days, and it was simple for me to cook without wheat, but, we went out a couple times, both during lunch and dinner time, and found it next to impossible to eat anything outside of an apple. We even went to an Asian wok place that offer vegetarian wok. That sounds easy enough. But apparently the vegetables are pre cut somewhere, and wheat based stabilizers are added to raw vegetables to retain color. It was 3 hours of going to place to place to find something without wheat added. Really amazing and frustrating at the same time.

I think the issue is that wheat is not a native European cereal. I think the average new introduction of food takes something like 10,000 years of eating by a race of people(here, using the term race correctly) for their bodies to adapt properly. There is a a book called "Eat Right for your Blood Type", while I only put on weight when I followed the diet, it has a lot of interesting information about the origins of food and it's interaction with people that consume it.
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I think the issue is that wheat is not a native European cereal. I think the average new introduction of food takes something like 10,000 years of eating by a race of people(here, using the term race correctly) for their bodies to adapt properly.
10,000 years????

It sounds really impressive - but that does mean that we should ONLY be eating what our ancestors ate in the STONE age!!

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Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Today is the 5th day I started and so far, it has been doing well. It was very very hard the first day but now, even if I am hungry, I am more comfortable with the feeling.

I lost 1 kilo which is most likely water. I can see in on my legs.
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Today is already one week in the diet.

I feel much more energetic, less tired in the morning and more positive. I lost 1.5 kilos so far even if I was a bit more relaxed this weekend with the diet.

My entire body enjoy the change. My tights are slimmer, my arm as well, I don't feel bloated anymore and I can definitely see a huge improvement with the water retention.

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