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Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Hi Shalom17
I have the same Problem for many reasons, you should look into how Insulin works and read about Lemon water in the Internet.
You don't have to stop eating things you like. you just have to Change when you eat the most. If your Insulin is going down and up all day and then you eat a big meal at night then you will put on waight.
Ist important that you have a good breakfast and a small lunch and veryy Little in the evening. Lemon water is very important. Go look every Thing up in the Internet. ist there if you look. Listen to Doctors and not to People who sell products like herbalife and so on.
any Doctor will tell you that you Need to control your Insulin to lose waight. One Thing i have down straight away is to stop drinking coke.
And I also use one sugar in my coffee insted of two.
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I know maybe this is not the most interesting post you've ever read , but unfortunately for me , since I arrived to Switzerland my diet changed in a way that from 60 kgs weight ( my height is 1.75 mt) I am now 71, 11 kgs more !! I've tried many things to burn fat and lose wieght , daily walkings, fitness, change of diet to no fat, no bread no fat-makers , not even sugar , drinking a lot of water and I have just lost 2 kgs , almost nothing :-( so as you can see i am quite desperate because I can't simply get rid of this "extra kgs", and even is quite shameful to post this openly I do it in order to get some advice from you in case someone over here have or had the same problem as me . I will appreciate your comments :-)
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Good to hear that you're improving so much - well done.

But did/do you actually think that wholemeal bread didn't contain any wheat?

No, being now an avid label reader I saw that wheat was on the menu, but as my other intakes of unacceptables are so low my body is clearly coping with the small 'onslaught' in the mornings. It's the same with most 'healthy' products, they all have something horrible in them and are often full of sugar, (I'm thinking joghourts here), so reading the labels is a must. Thankfully there are no labels on vegetables which are now so important to me, and fruit within a limited amount, has no undesirable effects.
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Are you saying your body stops burning calories after 15:00. If so, how do you stay alive?

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What if you had a banana or a carrot for breakfast? Would that be okay?

Just as this thread seemed to be having some really good and honest posts...
It is better to eat fruits earlier in the day if you aim to lose weight. Your body does not stop burning calories but your chances to burn it are higher if you consume it earlier as you move more. You burn less calories while sleeping or resting. Most of us are active during the day and less active at home in the evening after work. Maybe you live very active life in the evenings I don't know You won't burn lots calories fast while watching TV on the sofa that's for sure. It is one of the theories but I think it is logical. It does work for some people. Of course you think what I just said is nonsense please be my guest, eat tons of apples just before going to bed. You don't have to be so strict with this rule. You can always start from no high sugar sweets after 17:00
Sorry to interrupt your perfect thread.

Are you really asking about bananas and carrots or are you laughing?
Raw carrot is fine. Cooked carrots have high GI and should be avoided.
Have you ever seen bananas in low-fat diet? You can have one every 2 days if you like them but bananas are also considered high on the GI chart. One after the training/gym is recommended. You can have one or even 2 if the workout was hard and drink protein/why cocktail after 30-40 min. break (insulin level). It is important to restore glycogen level in the muscles that's why eating carbs 1-2 hour after your workout is not a bad idea but I think this works well if one is not so considered about losing weight but rather focused on getting bigger and stronger. If one's goal is to lose weight fast I think the system should be different but I am not sure what is optimal choice here. In my case it is only protein/whey cocktails and no carbs. I was 71 kg last year. I am 64 now and can manage to keep it on this level.
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It is better to eat fruits earlier in the day if you aim to lose weight. Your body does not stop burning calories but your chances to burn it are higher if you consume it earlier as you move more. You burn less calories while sleeping or resting. Most of us are active during the day and less active at home in the evening after work. Maybe you live very active life in the evenings I don't know You won't burn lots calories fast while watching TV on the sofa that's for sure. It is one of the theories but I think it is logical. It does work for some people. Of course you think what I just said is nonsense please be my guest, eat tons of apples just before going to bed. You don't have to be so strict with this rule. You can always start from no high sugar sweets after 17:00
Sorry to interrupt your perfect thread.

Are you really asking about bananas and carrots or are you laughing?
Raw carrot is fine. Cooked carrots have high GI and should be avoided.
Have you ever seen bananas in low-fat diet? You can have one every 2 days if you like them but bananas are also considered high on the GI chart. One after the training/gym is recommended. You can have one or even 2 if the workout was hard and drink protein/why cocktail after 30-40 min. break (insulin level). It is important to restore glycogen level in the muscles that's why eating carbs 1-2 hour after your workout is not a bad idea but I think this works well if one is not so considered about losing weight but rather focused on getting bigger and stronger. If one's goal is to lose weight fast I think the system should be different but I am not sure what is optimal choice here. In my case it is only protein/whey cocktails and no carbs. I was 71 kg last year. I am 64 now and and able to keep it on this level.
What a disagree about is the sleep aspect. I don't know how many calories are burned during sleep. But what I do know is, if I get more sleep, my body actually burns more over the day before, as I am basically an insomniac. I think your body slows down calorie burn as it sees itself having to go longer, on less calories. And that makes sense.

I don't think it is relevant to say the entire world, after work sits down directly in front of the tv, or plain just eats and aren't active. I think the rest of what you had to say was useful though.
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Apples are one of the lowest in glycemic index along with their high fiber content which makes it even lower in glycemic index than they are really so you are might be right. As long as it fits into your calorie limit I wouldn't worry but the optimal times to consume fruit — if you don't have any absorption issues — may be first thing in the morning and/or around your workouts.
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  • don't snack between meals. If you are hungry eat an apple or drink a mug of tea (without sugar)

You contradict yourself. An apple is also a snack. If people feel hungry between meals, they should drink water, to make sure they are not mistaking thirst for hunger.
By 'snack' I mean crisps (potato chips), Fischli, biscuits (cookies), sweets (candy), chocolate, nuts, Mars bars etc etc. I don't consider an apple a snack. It's fruit in my book...
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It is better to eat fruits earlier in the day if you aim to lose weight. Your body does not stop burning calories but your chances to burn it are higher if you consume it earlier as you move more.
I think the problem with this approach is that it seems to assume some sort of hard stop at the end of the day, that any calories not 'burnt' are somehow automatically stored as fat. It also ties in with the idea that breakfast is so important, which assumes somehow that any calories from what you ate the day before are no longer available to the body.

In practice we're all quite different and as we can see from 'morning people' vs. 'night owls' that our bodies don't all react in the same way to food and time. My normal pattern of eating a heavy meal with, and followed by more, wine most evenings at around 2100, then getting up at 7-7:30 with a coffee but not eating anything until two or more hours later, when I'd normally have a sandwich, would be completely contrary to the ideas behind what you say, but it works for me, and I'm not gonna be changing it anytime soon
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By 'snack' I mean crisps (potato chips), Fischli, biscuits (cookies), sweets (candy), chocolate, nuts, Mars bars etc etc. I don't consider an apple a snack. It's fruit in my book...
I've noticed in recent years the changing, perhaps mostly American, usage of the word snack as if it's a) a scheduled item, almost like a meal, and b) something unhealthy. To me it's anything eaten that doesn't fit into the normal pattern, more a naming convention than anything else, of Breakfast/Lunch/Tea/Dinner/Supper, and almost by definition is not planned. I snack if and when I've got the nibbles, not by arrangement.

Currently the snack bowl sat behind me in the office contains three apples, a bit scrappy as some were windfalls, and six tiny clementines. That'll probably be reduced by half before the end of the day. So I'll probably be having between four and six snacks this afternoon.
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This not eating thing after a certain time was invented by the diet industry and there is not a shred of scientific evidence to back it up. It was just a way of making people eat less so it would seem like the miracle cure was working. What counts is overall calories eaten/burned over time.

The healthiest way to eat carrots is lightly cooked. It is difficult for the body to get at the nutrients in raw carrots, lightly cooking them breaks down the cellular structure and allows the body to get all the good stuff out. You can eat anything you want on a diet as long as you are consuming less calories than than you are burning, you could eat only chocolate and lose weight not that that is to be recommended for overall health but I have seen this done. I really hate this concept of good food / bad food as it is total nonsense. Overall diet is what counts.

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It is better to eat fruits earlier in the day if you aim to lose weight. Your body does not stop burning calories but your chances to burn it are higher if you consume it earlier as you move more. You burn less calories while sleeping or resting. Most of us are active during the day and less active at home in the evening after work. Maybe you live very active life in the evenings I don't know You won't burn lots calories fast while watching TV on the sofa that's for sure. It is one of the theories but I think it is logical. It does work for some people. Of course you think what I just said is nonsense please be my guest, eat tons of apples just before going to bed. You don't have to be so strict with this rule. You can always start from no high sugar sweets after 17:00
Sorry to interrupt your perfect thread.

Are you really asking about bananas and carrots or are you laughing?
Raw carrot is fine. Cooked carrots have high GI and should be avoided.
Have you ever seen bananas in low-fat diet? You can have one every 2 days if you like them but bananas are also considered high on the GI chart. One after the training/gym is recommended. You can have one or even 2 if the workout was hard and drink protein/why cocktail after 30-40 min. break (insulin level). It is important to restore glycogen level in the muscles that's why eating carbs 1-2 hour after your workout is not a bad idea but I think this works well if one is not so considered about losing weight but rather focused on getting bigger and stronger. If one's goal is to lose weight fast I think the system should be different but I am not sure what is optimal choice here. In my case it is only protein/whey cocktails and no carbs. I was 71 kg last year. I am 64 now and can manage to keep it on this level.
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Currently the snack bowl sat behind me in the office contains three apples, a bit scrappy as some were windfalls, and six tiny clementines
My bowl consists of the remains of a kilo of middle eastern baclawa I bought from a bakery in Berlin last week. Luckily, my speedy typing fingers seem to be burning off all the calories (although to be fair the middle eastern ones are very different to the syrup laden Turkish ones).
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Right - thats it, I'm off to get a burger at Byron's

Question: Fries, Chips or Courgette fries?
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Right - thats it, I'm off to get a burger at Byron's

Question: Fries, Chips or Courgette fries?
Courgette? WTF?

Edit: And having googled for the menu to confrim I'll just add 'yukk'. I Presuming you're in the UK right now, but I'd never heard of this chain. I guess living outside the UK for 13 years and not regarding Burgers as anything special that's not so suprising.
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Courgette? WTF?
They be good. If it's frying tubers though, I prefer me some Sweet Potato Fries with marmalade.
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Smoker Burger, Courgette fries and an Oreo Shake.

Ate like a fatty chub chub!!! (How do they put away that amount every day???)

Seriously, the burger was very good indeed. The courgette fries were mixed - very good if you got those with little centre section. The shake was overly indulgent!
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Did you guys hear of Stevia? Is it really healthier than white sugar or is it too good to be true?
Personally I find this new/current "Sugar is bad, especially white sugar" orthodoxy almost as annoying as the years of low-fat spiel.

As for replacing sugar with alternatives - why? Surely it's better by far to cut out or reduce all the uncontrolled sugars in shop-bought pre-prepared foods than to focus on the very small amount of sugar you'd actually be able to replace in your own intake?
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Did you guys hear of Stevia? Is it really healthier than white sugar or is it too good to be true?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

I was using Stevia in Poland but I don't think this is easily available in Switzerland.

I found these two links on the forum:
Stevia -natural sweetener available in Zurich
Stevia?
You mean besides the posts a page or two earlier on this thread where it was discussed during the "agave nectar" throw down?

You can find it at COOP. Probably Migros, too, so no, it is not hard to find.
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If you avoid adding sugar for a couple of weeks you don't miss it (apparently).

I did notice after moving here that everything in the U.K. now tastes far too sweet compared with equivalent products sold here.
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when you cut calories your metabolism will slow down to adapt, so weight loss will be difficult. you gotta hit your muscles with high intensity exercises (not so long duration, but hard work) to ramp up your metabolism while dieting
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If you avoid adding sugar for a couple of weeks you don't miss it (apparently).
Depends what it's in. I can't, and never would be able to, drink coffee without sugar, for example. But yeah, there's a lot of premade food that I notice being incredibly over-sweet in the US. Sweet bread for breakfast toast? No thank you. But I still put a _little_ sugar in my home-made bread mix, not for sweetness but for the chemistry.
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Depends what it's in. I can't, and never would be able to, drink coffee without sugar, for example. But yeah, there's a lot of premade food that I notice being incredibly over-sweet in the US. Sweet bread for breakfast toast? No thank you. But I still put a _little_ sugar in my home-made bread mix, not for sweetness but for the chemistry.
Yeah, sugar in coffee is my vice too. Only one though.
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