Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Activities > Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #441  
Old 25.10.2013, 09:04
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
So you agree that fat cells require energy too?
So therefore someone with more fat cells than someone else, with everything else being equal, will burn more energy.

Therefore total mass is valid.
Sure, maybe. Again, I quote the NHS page (did you actually read it?) rather than voicing my own opinions
Quote:
overweight people may actually have a higher metabolism than their leaner counterparts,reflecting the energy requirements of maintaining a larger body size.
Reply With Quote
  #442  
Old 25.10.2013, 09:08
Mélusine's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lutry
Posts: 3,976
Groaned at 32 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 5,713 Times in 2,281 Posts
Mélusine has a reputation beyond reputeMélusine has a reputation beyond reputeMélusine has a reputation beyond reputeMélusine has a reputation beyond reputeMélusine has a reputation beyond reputeMélusine has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

What I understand is:
- for an equal weight, the one with more muscle mass will burn more calories
- an overweight person will burn more than a skinny one, even if they have an excellent muscle mass

Which makes sens IMHO
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mélusine for this useful post:
  #443  
Old 25.10.2013, 10:59
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Zurich with Jung
Posts: 226
Groaned at 80 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 282 Times in 112 Posts
sigmundf is considered knowledgeablesigmundf is considered knowledgeablesigmundf is considered knowledgeable
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
What I understand is:
- for an equal weight, the one with more muscle mass will burn more calories
- an overweight person will burn more than a skinny one, even if they have an excellent muscle mass

Which makes sens IMHO
This is correct - big people (whether muscular or fat) will burn more calories all else being equal, than smaller people.
Reply With Quote
  #444  
Old 25.10.2013, 11:42
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,365
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
This is correct - big people (whether muscular or fat) will burn more calories all else being equal, than smaller people.
So they eat more to compensate
Reply With Quote
  #445  
Old 25.10.2013, 11:44
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,801
Groaned at 104 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 4,965 Times in 2,360 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
This is correct - big people (whether muscular or fat) will burn more calories all else being equal, than smaller people.
It also takes us forever to show muscle from training.
Reply With Quote
  #446  
Old 25.10.2013, 11:54
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 18,902
Groaned at 840 Times in 655 Posts
Thanked 29,219 Times in 11,818 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
So they eat more to compensate
Actually the article shows that the study found that obese people underestimated how much they ate. Other studies going back many years have also shown this.

Suggesting that keeping an (accurate and honest) food diary before changing any diet would be a good idea.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #447  
Old 25.10.2013, 13:28
Lou's Avatar
Lou Lou is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,778
Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 3,227 Times in 1,474 Posts
Lou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

People either underestimate or are just not honest with themselves. Like a guy I used to work with who was put on a strict diet so he could lose weight to have an operation. He ate exactly what was on the diet sheet and would proudly tell people so but manage to "forget" about his nightly bottle of wine and pack of biscuits he ate with his afternoon cuppa. An extreme example maybe but I see it all the time, I know I'm not immune to it either.

Quote:
View Post
Actually the article shows that the study found that obese people underestimated how much they ate. Other studies going back many years have also shown this.

Suggesting that keeping an (accurate and honest) food diary before changing any diet would be a good idea.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Lou for this useful post:
  #448  
Old 25.10.2013, 13:41
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 426 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Actually the article shows that the study found that obese people underestimated how much they ate. Other studies going back many years have also shown this.

Suggesting that keeping an (accurate and honest) food diary before changing any diet would be a good idea.
Quote:
View Post
People either underestimate or are just not honest with themselves. Like a guy I used to work with who was put on a strict diet so he could lose weight to have an operation. He ate exactly what was on the diet sheet and would proudly tell people so but manage to "forget" about his nightly bottle of wine and pack of biscuits he ate with his afternoon cuppa. An extreme example maybe but I see it all the time, I know I'm not immune to it either.
Not being fat, I do that too. Putting health issues on the side, I couldn't understand why I couldn't lose the few kilos left since the birth of my son. I don't eat a lot but it turned out that I made bad choices. I am at almost 2 kilos down since two weeks and feel better and less anxious. Cutting bread, cheese and junk food seem to do great on my body.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Nil for this useful post:
  #449  
Old 25.10.2013, 14:16
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,460
Groaned at 490 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,538 Times in 9,887 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Here is another one, exactly the same result.

http://bmicalc.org/bmi-calculator-for-women

I find this thread disturbing. You have a perfectly ideal weight for a woman of your height. With room to spare. Why people are recommending a visit to the doctor, or hormone imbalances, or weird diet regimens is beyond me.

You are not overweight, your weight is perfect.

If you want to address specific areas of your body, try some light weight training...it tones up soft areas relatively quickly and has a lot of other benefits (keeps bones strong for one).

We are born with the body and shape that we have. .
Theoretically... but I perfectly understand OP.
Theoretically, 167 cm and 60 kg for a woman is good, but what if you don't see it and feel that way...definitely everybody has an ideal weight when they felt best.

Last edited by greenmount; 25.10.2013 at 14:29.
Reply With Quote
  #450  
Old 25.10.2013, 14:47
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 426 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Theoretically... but I perfectly understand OP.
Theoretically, 167 cm and 60 kg for a woman is good, but what if you don't see it and feel that way...definitely everybody has an ideal weight when they felt best.
Exactly. Let's assume the healthy average of bmi for the person is between 21-26 (just numbers) and the person is at 23. This person can still find the need to lose weight to reach a lower bmi in the healthy average.

Sometimes just a few kilos will make the difference to affine the body. As long as the person is still healthy, I don't see the problem.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Nil for this useful post:
  #451  
Old 25.10.2013, 14:55
TidakApa's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Top of a Triangle
Posts: 2,991
Groaned at 38 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 5,673 Times in 2,039 Posts
TidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Theoretically, 167 cm and 60 kg for a woman is good, but what if you don't see it and feel that way...definitely everybody has an ideal weight when they felt best.

Quote:
View Post
Exactly.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank TidakApa for this useful post:
  #452  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:03
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Exactly. Let's assume the healthy average of bmi for the person is between 21-26 (just numbers) and the person is at 23. This person can still find the need to lose weight to reach a lower bmi in the healthy average.
Most medical resources measuring BMI will be at pains to tell you that it's only a very rough guideline, and should not be used in isolation as a measure of whether you need to gain or lose weight.

I measure in at just over 25, depending on how tall I am on any given day, and yes, I sometimes feel the need to lose a little flab around the tummy, just so's I can fit comfortably into my 32" 501s, but no-one who's met me, least of all my doctor, would suggest that I'm overweight. OTOH if I did no exercise at all and lost all the muscle on my legs, but still weighed the same, I would indeed be a fat bastard.
Reply With Quote
  #453  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:07
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,801
Groaned at 104 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 4,965 Times in 2,360 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
Most medical resources measuring BMI will be at pains to tell you that it's only a very rough guideline, and should not be used in isolation as a measure of whether you need to gain or lose weight.

I am not sure what any of that means. I know I was way overweight, cause you could see it pouring out of the seams of my clothes. I changed everything, and now I still have some to go.

If I see fat, I work on that area, and still maintain a healthy diet.

All these numbers and diets and whatever just adds confusion and makes the whole thing seem far more tiring, then the already tiring and hard act of losing the weight in the first place.

Just use common sense.
Reply With Quote
  #454  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:17
TidakApa's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Top of a Triangle
Posts: 2,991
Groaned at 38 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 5,673 Times in 2,039 Posts
TidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
If I see fat, I work on that area,
I wouldn't recommend getting your exercise tips from Sir Mix-A-Lot ?

Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank TidakApa for this useful post:
  #455  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,460
Groaned at 490 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,538 Times in 9,887 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Damn! Thanks for pouring salt on my wounds...
Tiny as I am, I had one boyfriend who was about 2 m tall. I felt like I was his daughter, though.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #456  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:43
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,801
Groaned at 104 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 4,965 Times in 2,360 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
Damn! Thanks for pouring salt on my wounds...
Tiny as I am, I had one boyfriend who was about 2 m tall. I felt like I was his daughter, though.
The real short girl, to the real tall guy is a special attraction...experience tells me.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Confloozed for this useful post:
  #457  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:47
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 9,110
Groaned at 400 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 13,920 Times in 4,773 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
It also takes us forever to show muscle from training.
I would reckon that after 2 sessions a week at a gym, you should see some good results in 3 months...
Reply With Quote
  #458  
Old 25.10.2013, 15:56
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 18,902
Groaned at 840 Times in 655 Posts
Thanked 29,219 Times in 11,818 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
I would reckon that after 2 sessions a week at a gym, you should see some good results in 3 months...
I went for two years and saw nothing.

It also depends on your body type and whether you take steroids and/or other supplements.
Reply With Quote
  #459  
Old 25.10.2013, 16:04
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,801
Groaned at 104 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 4,965 Times in 2,360 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
I would reckon that after 2 sessions a week at a gym, you should see some good results in 3 months...
I have been doing recommended muscle exercises for over a month now. I have been told it is making a difference, but I don't see it yet.
Reply With Quote
  #460  
Old 25.10.2013, 17:07
Spellbound's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Basel
Posts: 656
Groaned at 45 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 284 Times in 175 Posts
Spellbound has become a little unpopular
Re: I simpy can't lose weight ? :-S any advice ??

Quote:
View Post
It also takes us forever to show muscle from training.
It doesn't, so long as:
You are exercising intensely 4/5 times a week consistently
You have low body fat through making healthy eating and drinking choices consistently
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Methinks Obama should lose weight... Upthehatters2008 International affairs/politics 8 25.05.2011 10:37
Negative Calories to help lose weight thecapaccino Family matters/health 33 25.11.2010 19:19
Lose weight (Basel) Dodi22 Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 24 05.08.2009 14:31


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:35.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0