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I am looking for a club or gathering of people practicing motor sport and more specifically having their own cars, preparing them for races (rollcage, steering wheel, seats, etc.) and doing track days and maybe races.

I know tracks and races are forbidden in Switzerland but I am hoping that there are people who live here and go to drive in Germany, Austria or France.

Does anyone know about such people/groups? Thanks.
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I am looking for a club or gathering of people practicing motor sport and more specifically having their own cars, preparing them for races (rollcage, steering wheel, seats, etc.) and doing track days and maybe races.

I know tracks and races are forbidden in Switzerland but I am hoping that there are people who live here and go to drive in Germany, Austria or France.

Does anyone know about such people/groups? Thanks.
At what level? And what discipline?
What do you want to do? Drive? Compete? Work? Talk?
Racing? or track-days (Non-competitive)?

Let me know and I will pass on details.
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At what level? And what discipline?
What do you want to do? Drive? Compete? Work? Talk?
Racing? or track-days (Non-competitive)?

Let me know and I will pass on details.
I've made a short course and driven a couple of days with rented cars but I would say I am still a beginner. Mechanically also beginner. I want to go driving (including track-days), not necessary compete (but maybe in the future). I'd like to get a car (something older, e.g. E36 M3) and prepare it to be secure and good for racing. As I have no experience I'd appreciate a supportive group.
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I've made a short course and driven a couple of days with rented cars but I would say I am still a beginner. Mechanically also beginner. I want to go driving (including track-days), not necessary compete (but maybe in the future). I'd like to get a car (something older, e.g. E36 M3) and prepare it to be secure and good for racing. As I have no experience I'd appreciate a supportive group.
You are definitely a beginner!!!

For track-days all you need is a well prepared car - and it can be anything. Admittedly if you turn up at a Swiss organised track-day in a Focus 1.6 you may feel a little intimidated.

IMHO http://wirzmotorsport.com/ are the company to go with. Their days are superbly organised. They will also organise hire cars for you - should you want something more suited to the track. From 2014 they will also have an E36 M3 available - although I am unsure at the moment whether it will be rented out or just used promotionally.

If you want to build a car you'll need to get yourself a proper workshop - which won't be cheap. Getting someone to build one won't be cheap either. But if mechanically you aren't prepared for the job it is worth doing. Your first job is ensuring the base car is up to the job - so fixing up any/all maintenance issues. Be aware that E36 M3s are getting on a bit now - and rust will be a factor.

Once you have done a few trackdays you should then decide whether renting or building is for you. Building is expensive - especially in Switzerland. For an E36 don't expect much change from 8,000chf to fit upgraded brakes all round (AP-Racing). High quality suspension (including fitting) will eat through a similar amount of money. A roll cage (depending on whether you weld (recommended) or bolt could set you back the same again.

Often already built cars are cheaper - but budget a good 30-50% to get them tidied up and tweaked to your preferred set up.

Then think about:
- storing the car
- maintaining the car
- transporting the car or keeping it road legal
- submitting to the ASS for a race car pass

If you want a better indication of price:
- 24,500chf for an E30 M3 shell
- Race prepped Volvo
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Re: Motor Sport

Thank you for the answer.

Yes, I am a beginner but would like to go into the sport more. The huge problem I see is that motor sport is not popular (and not allowed) in Switzerland which means also not too many people doing it and not much information.

I have a couple questions about what you wrote:

* What can I expect from the company WIRZ? I see they rent cars and they organize some kind of events, but is it training, track renting?
* Am I correct in thinking that I can get a car and start driving with it and successively updating it with the time?
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One more thing: coming from Bulgaria I know a lot of private people there dealing with driving and racing, not going through a company which just takes a lot of money. Do you know about such groups in Switzerland or close Germany/Austria/France?
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www.autosport-ch.com is a good place to start

Wirz is a trackday company who also hire out cars for use on their trackdays. Alternatively you can take your own car.

For every upgrade you do to your road car you will need to get the right certification to go along with it.

Doing this sort of thing in Switzerland is not cheap.

If you are genuinely interested then start going along to various Swiss motorsport events - there are a lot of them.

In 2012 there were 2 Swiss drivers in the WTCC, one in DTM and one in Formula One. There are also a number of Swiss drivers in the various GT championships. Swiss drivers competed at Le Mans

2 Swiss teams competed at the 24hrs of Spa last month

A number of Swiss teams compete in the various German championships - including ADAC ProCar
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I'll have a look at the site. Where can I find information about the Swiss motorsport events?

Do you personally drive/race (I see you have driving in your interests)?
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I'll have a look at the site. Where can I find information about the Swiss motorsport events?

Do you personally drive/race (I see you have driving in your interests)?
Um - look at the website!!!!!!

Plenty of trackdays. Built a race car. Raced. Licence lapsed. Currently work with WTCC and GT3 team.
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