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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

Well said. I think, I will just visit a real (not online) store and give myself an hour or two trying several jackets on and picking the best one
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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

look at tutti.ch for a used item, if you are a casual skier(name your sport here), no need to invest in a brand-new gear - someone has done it already, all you need is to find it. riccardo.ch has even some categories on sizes. Same applies to skis and boots - one can get a decent set for the the same amount one would spend on the rental for a week, let alone a season.
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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

For those people buying "thin" ski jackets, you must be made aware that these today, unlike the down filled ski puffer jackets from the 70s and 80s, are normally made to be worn with the corresponding fleece...and at times also the corresponding light jumper (or sports polo neck) as well as your ski undergarments. These matching, corresponding accessories are the items that retain body heat, the job of the outer "thin" jacket is for wind proofing and water/moisture proofing in principal.


No matter what has happened with mountain clothing over the years, the secret to good body temperature control will always remain to be dressed in plenty of layers. Layers catch heat within each fold to keep you warm, too hot and simply remove one to adjust.


In general, many of the cheaper garments will have less of an overall life compared to more expensive ones, but by all means do check and compare the content of material used to manufacture them, some expensive ones are indeed made of the same material and similar quality finish.
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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

Don't buy a red jacket and trousers unless you want to get asked about the ski school every time you stop
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Same applies to skis and boots - one can get a decent set for the the same amount one would spend on the rental for a week, let alone a season.
but in a rental you can change them free of cost if they don't fit well.
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In general, many of the cheaper garments will have less of an overall life compared to more expensive ones, but by all means do check and compare the content of material used to manufacture them, some expensive ones are indeed made of the same material and similar quality finish.
BTW: Does anyone have experience with these "high-tech" detergents like tech wash?

I find them crazily expensive and we also experienced that the ski clothing is still dirty after washing with these.

So the question is: does normal detergent really ruin the waterproofing quicker than this tech wash? Or is it just marketing BS?
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BTW: Does anyone have experience with these "high-tech" detergents like tech wash?

I find them crazily expensive and we also experienced that the ski clothing is still dirty after washing with these.

So the question is: does normal detergent really ruin the waterproofing quicker than this tech wash? Or is it just marketing BS?
I wash the stuff in normal detergent at 30 degrees and them re-proof it with NikWax ..
I admit I have not tried either one on it's own but my combination seems to work, my ski wear is as wind and waterproof and clean as it ever was.

Dunno if it's same for all brands / materials .. My ski clothes are KJUS brand.
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I usually wear a motorcycle jacket and jeans.

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I usually wear a motorcycle jacket and jeans.

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Somehow, I'm not surprised.
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I wash the stuff in normal detergent at 30 degrees and them re-proof it with NikWax ..
I admit I have not tried either one on it's own but my combination seems to work, my ski wear is as wind and waterproof and clean as it ever was.

Dunno if it's same for all brands / materials .. My ski clothes are KJUS brand.
After each wash? With the spray on or the wash in version?

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After each wash? With the spray on or the wash in version?

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"In Wash" version each time. But I only wash the stuff a few times per season.. Not after each use or anything
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look at tutti.ch for a used item, if you are a casual skier(name your sport here), no need to invest in a brand-new gear - someone has done it already, all you need is to find it. riccardo.ch has even some categories on sizes. Same applies to skis and boots - one can get a decent set for the the same amount one would spend on the rental for a week, let alone a season.
Anybody that buys ski boots without getting them properly fitted is in for a bad season, unless you are one of the few people whose foot is exactly the same shape as the last used to make the boot.

The boot is what transmits your movements to the skis, if it doesn't fit properly then those movements are transmitted to the skis properly and it all goes wrong.
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but in a rental you can change them free of cost if they don't fit well.
if they don't fit you ain't buying them. some sellers do accept returns if that is the case and you can't try them upon collection.

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Anybody that buys ski boots without getting them properly fitted is in for a bad season, unless you are one of the few people whose foot is exactly the same shape as the last used to make the boot.
extrems aside, a normal boot will adapt to a new foot in no time - same with rented boots. no need to groan, just try. of course if you are in to spend 750 CHF on a new pair rather than a 100 on a used one, then you don't need such advices.
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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

I find the Fr.500 jackets to be twice better than the Fr.250 jackets, but I don't think the Fr.1000 jackets are twice better than the Fr.500 ones.


So my sweet spot would be the scandi brands like Haglofs/peak/norrona if they're on sale.
I used to like North Face, but they are roomier and look baggy on me, and now my style is more sleek scandinavian.


On top of my base layer, I need 2 or 3 layers - outer shell and fleece for warmer days, swapping the fleece for a thin down jacket on colder days.


Ski boots - rent and buy. Most places do season rental on brand new boots for 50% price of new. If you like them, pay the other 50% at the end of the season and keep them. They should fit you for it when you get the new ones and will adjust it for you throughout the season.
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I grew up on skis, somewhat. So I ski partisan style, often in jeans. And I forget ski poles somewhere, usually waiting for me at the lift.
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if they don't fit you ain't buying them. some sellers do accept returns if that is the case and you can't try them upon collection.



extrems aside, a normal boot will adapt to a new foot in no time - same with rented boots. no need to groan, just try. of course if you are in to spend 750 CHF on a new pair rather than a 100 on a used one, then you don't need such advices.
For a boot shell to adapt it has to heated to around 170 C, and a liner to 120C for it to adapt, so what you are saying is completely wrong - hence the groan.
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extrems aside, a normal boot will adapt to a new foot in no time
I've witnessed horrendous cases where the foot has remoulded and adapted to an old cheap rental boot...ouch!
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Re: Ski Clothing - cheap vs expensive

yes, it's the zippers that go on the cheaper ones. In saying that though I bought my ski jacket at Migros in the girls section (lol) in 2013. I am 160cm. I love it, I love the colour and the pattern, and the fit as Markarina said. In total I must have worn it nearly every day for 3 Winter season plus some and the zipper is just starting to go. I think it cost about 150 CHF. It has served its job well. Lots of the new ones I see around are too girly or fancy for me so I'm praying the zip will keep working until I find a replacement.
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yes, it's the zippers that go on the cheaper ones. In saying that though I bought my ski jacket at Migros in the girls section (lol) in 2013. I am 160cm. I love it, I love the colour and the pattern, and the fit as Markarina said. In total I must have worn it nearly every day for 3 Winter season plus some and the zipper is just starting to go. I think it cost about 150 CHF. It has served its job well. Lots of the new ones I see around are too girly or fancy for me so I'm praying the zip will keep working until I find a replacement.
One can have the zipper fixed (replaced) at the local shoe repair shop.
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One can have the zipper fixed (replaced) at the local shoe repair shop.
thanks for the idea. It may not be worth it though for a well-used jacket, although I've worn it so often in town people won't recognise me with a different jacket
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