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MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

So I am looking for a GPS unit and have narrowed it down to the Garmin Etrex 35 or the Edge 810. I am open for suggestions but I think these two will suffice as all I really need is maps and navigation and less of that fitness stuff. I have always used normal paper topo maps together with my phone but I'm finished with that noise. I hate having to stop, pull out the map, the phone, see where you are and where you want to go. Takes too much time and it kills the mood when your in the "zone". So my question really is do I need the Swiss topo for a mere 300CHF? I know I can get free maps from OSM and other sources AND they both come preloaded with Europe topo maps, so why pay so much extra for a map thats already preloaded? Or is the Swiss map more detailed? Does anyone have the Swiss Topo maps for Garmin? And can you tell me whats the difference between that and the Europe map. I know, lots of questions, but its just so confusing with so many different devices and maps. Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Swiss topo is widely available for free.. just search for it. Oh and v3 has greater topo detail than v4.
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Old 11.10.2015, 08:34
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Are you familiar with the Switzerland Mobility app.?

Has topo maps and is for free.

Just need a phone mount for the handlebars (and possibly a cheap phone - but must have GPS function).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...eizmobil&hl=en
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Unless I am doing something really wrong the mobility app was total crap and couldn't get on with it at all
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Oh and the map download is 35chf per year.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

I would recommend you the wikiloc app. Wikiloc (http://www.wikiloc.com) is a great resource for hiking trails, and with the app (http://www.wikiloc.com/outdoor-navigation-app) you can easily download the tracks and the maps you want to use.

The app is free to download but requires in-app purchases in order to run it. However the subscriptions are fairly cheap:

- 2.67 CHF for 3 months
- 4.46 CHF for 1 year
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

swisstopo is a must have for mountain biking in my opinion, so you can see the trails properly......road biking it's not needed
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

I use an old garmin Etrex which most of the time provides good navigation. I havent yet updated it with any Swiss maps as have only been here 6 months but i am also interested to find out which are the best maps so will keep an eye out on your post.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

why not buy this one? you're done for 100 CHF
https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/sports...v/an775387844/
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

LOL, last time I tryed I was probably doing something really wrong also...I gave up this maos and was just using my phone...and intend to bug a Garmin Edge...
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Well, maybe this will help you a little, IF you did not try already.
What I did was buying a mount for my phone on the bike...
And an extra battery so I can charge on the wat...

You can use a lot of apps and don't need to spend a lot of money on maps...
I intend to buy a Garmin Edge someday.... but till now this option is pretty cheap and working.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Thanks for all the replies, I have most maps already on my phone as you get a free download if you buy the paper map. Always carry a paper map for backup. Plus I've been reading topo so long it literally looks 3D to me, I can see every detail of the terrain. The reason for wanting the garmin is my rides are getting longer and weirder. I plan on doing a bikepacking trip from ZH to Locarno next summer and need something more rugged and weatherproof plus the ability to swap out AA batteries is more convenient, TBH a phone battery lasts just long enough to get lost. Lol
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Well, if you need AA batteries (and for long multi-day ride you probably need them), there is no other option than eTrex Touch 35, I am afraid... Check mtbr.com forums - there are recent discussions about it.

As for TOPO vs OSM - I think the overall consensus is that TOPO are much better in Switzerland (some say Swiss TOPO are the best in the world - must be, considering the price difference ). The question if is really worth it and you need it - I am still using old ver2 or even ver1 on Edge 705, and find them OK'eish. Compare to OSM on my PC, I still find some singletrails/pats are not on OSM, but at the same time, there are some trails/paths on OSM, but not on TOPO. However, this is probably due to the age of TOPO I have rather than accuracy. I am not really sure if you know some specific trails, but you can check yourself on www.openstreetmap.org and see if those are there and then compare to map.geo.admin.ch
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Well, if you need AA batteries (and for long multi-day ride you probably need them), there is no other option than eTrex Touch 35, I am afraid... Check mtbr.com forums - there are recent discussions about it.

As for TOPO vs OSM - I think the overall consensus is that TOPO are much better in Switzerland (some say Swiss TOPO are the best in the world - must be, considering the price difference ). The question if is really worth it and you need it - I am still using old ver2 or even ver1 on Edge 705, and find them OK'eish. Compare to OSM on my PC, I still find some singletrails/pats are not on OSM, but at the same time, there are some trails/paths on OSM, but not on TOPO. However, this is probably due to the age of TOPO I have rather than accuracy. I am not really sure if you know some specific trails, but you can check yourself on www.openstreetmap.org and see if those are there and then compare to map.geo.admin.ch
Yeah I think the etrex touch 35 looks like my best option and it's not the most expensive either. I like that it has a large internal storage plus you can add a micro card to boost the memory even more. Now as far as which maps are the best I agree that Topo is preferable over OSM but it shouldn't have to cost 300CHF. I haven't searched yet but I am sure someone must have pirated the Swiss Topo and has it free somewhere online. I agree with paying for original work but Swiss Topo is just rebundled info. Anyways I like that the Etrex accepts third party maps so you can download all those great trails in the bike mags like Ride.ch for free.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Did you buy the Garmin 810 or the Garmin Etrex 35? Is Garmin worth the money? I also want to buy a GPS for mountainbiking.
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Did you buy the Garmin 810 or the Garmin Etrex 35? Is Garmin worth the money? I also want to buy a GPS for mountainbiking.
I just bought the Etrex from Conrad.ch since they are having a sale. Should be here in a day or two. I didn't get the edge cause I don't need all those fitness functions. I'm out to ride trails not count how many calories I've burnt. I keep track of my fitness by looking at the KM's, time and speed. Plus I find that the more functions a device has the more likely it is to develop a problem. I think Garmin is worth the money. Better satellite reception, more accurate, more durable and can be used in inclimate weather. Phones are too fragile and what happens if you crash right after the battery poops out? Or is destroyed in the crash? Best to leave the phone for making emergency calls or reassuring the wife you'll TRY to make it home on time.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

Garmin 520 + Wikiloc routes are a great option
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

I've been using a Garmin Edge 800 for the last few years and I really like it. It's a bit of a fiddle and not entirely intuitive to set up as you want it, but it works as intended. The only issues I've had are getting the cadence sensor set up correctly, and some issues with the heart monitor. However, I think both these are more issues with the sensors themselves, rather than the Edge unit. If I ever upgrade, it'll probably be to an Edge 1000 for the larger screen.
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I've been using a Garmin Edge 800 for the last few years and I really like it. It's a bit of a fiddle and not entirely intuitive to set up as you want it, but it works as intended. The only issues I've had are getting the cadence sensor set up correctly, and some issues with the heart monitor. However, I think both these are more issues with the sensors themselves, rather than the Edge unit. If I ever upgrade, it'll probably be to an Edge 1000 for the larger screen.
What kind of maps are you running? I've looked for free versions of Swiss Topo and couldn't find any that didn't set off my anti virus warnings. Maybe I don't even need Swiss Topo considering so many great routes are free online. Trail.ch has over 50 tours and they all look amazing. Plus all the bike mags and other internet sites should keep me busy for the next few years. From now on I'm sticking to KNOWN mtb routes. I can't tell you how many times I found what I thought to be a great trail on a topo map only to find out 80% of the trail is unridable. I call them gutter trails cause the only way to ride them is to remove your peddles and stick your legs straight out to the side as you ride the gutter. I'm so over that. Plus exploring CH is not the same as exploring the Rockies.
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Re: MTB Garmin GPS (Swiss Topo)

As far as apps go GPS-Tracks.com is the best free app. If you register (free) you can download and export all the gps tracks to your garmin or just overlay them on your phone. And they have tons of tours here in CH, probably because its the most popular app here. Every single Swiss that I've ever ridden with has this app including all my friends so they seem to have the biggest data base for trails. All my expat friends tend to use different apps. When in Rome....
Now regarding the Etrex 35, its a small unit, a bit smaller than I thought. But I didnt want a larger screen as that reduces the battery time. Plus I only need it when I'm on a new trail and need to know which way to go when I come to a fork in the trail. Its not like I'm going to be looking at it as I'm riding. Thats like texting and driving. I find it easier to plan the routes in basecamp and just load it on to the device. Its too cumbersome to do that on the device with the smaller screen.
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