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A lady that is toned with a hint of stomach muscle... oh yes!
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Old 29.03.2016, 09:50
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I agree, it doesn't look nice and it's extremely difficult for women to obtain that look (tablette de chocolat). A balanced body is more important, and a toned, honed figure looks much more attractive imo ...
If you know anything about training, you'll know that this is not how it looks like when she is walking around in the city. This picture was taken right after training, muscles are pumped up.
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Old 29.03.2016, 10:00
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A lady that is toned with a hint of stomach muscle... oh yes!
I think the photo shows more than a 'hint' of stomach muscle. That's an abdomen most men can't achieve. And sadly, many people training for this kind of body resort to taking drugs/steroids. I personally don't think that's a healthy thing to do ...
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I think the photo shows more than a 'hint' of stomach muscle. That's an abdomen most men can't achieve. And sadly, many people training for this kind of body resort to taking drugs/steroids. I personally don't think that's a healthy thing to do ...
Let me refer you to my post before yours.
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I think the photo shows more than a 'hint' of stomach muscle. That's an abdomen most men can't achieve. And sadly, many people training for this kind of body resort to taking drugs/steroids. I personally don't think that's a healthy thing to do ...
I didn't look at any photo in this post and didn't refer to one... you assume too much.
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I think the photo shows more than a 'hint' of stomach muscle. That's an abdomen most men can't achieve. And sadly, many people training for this kind of body resort to taking drugs/steroids. I personally don't think that's a healthy thing to do ...
You are referring to this.
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Old 29.03.2016, 10:28
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Ok, so please post references of scientific studies that prove that eating regularly but MAINTAINING THE SAME DAILY CALORIC INTAKE don't help losing weight.
That is exactly the point: you will feel hungry again in 3 hours, will keep your metabolism high and your body won't store fat as is the case when you stay long hours without eating.
Oh yeah, eat a high caloric meal before going to bed, just when your caloric consumption is the lowest during the day. Sounds very smart to me.
There are things called vegetables that have a very similar effect to the idea of eating newspaper but they taste a bit better.
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Our metabolism is a complex process. You might think that your metabolism slows down drastically at the end of the day and, therefore, your body does not burn off the calories you consume at night. But in fact, even though your metabolism is slower at night when you are stationary than when you are active, your metabolism never stops working, even when you are sleeping. Calories consumed at night won’t change your metabolism or count more than calories consumed during the day.
Weight gain and weight loss comes down to a simple math equation, explains Day. “Too many calories taken in versus not enough expended on any given day, regardless of the time, will lead to weight gain.”
The UAMS Weight Loss Clinic recommends that you eat dinner at least three to four hours before going to bed to give your body time to digest the meal. And dinner should be your smallest meal of the day.
“Most people typically have the biggest meal in the evening and the smallest meal for breakfast — we recommend the opposite,” says Day. Usually people who eat a larger breakfast and lunch full of protein, fruit, vegetables and whole grains will not be as tempted to indulge in a high-fat, high-calorie dinner.
Agree with the veggies, I really did not want you to take eating newspaper so literally.
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I find that mushrooms are an excellent substitute for meat. Not that I don't enjoy a steak every now and then.



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Old 29.03.2016, 10:52
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Re: Training or losing weight

How did I not see this thread? I know a lot about both weight loss and weight training as well as general fitness. I don't know a lot about the science behind anything but the most basic of fitness rules. Why, you ask? I've lost 51kg (112.5lbs) over the course of the past few years. Well, I am 51kg lighter and I've put on a guesstimated 15-20kg of muscle. So as a formerly morbidly obese person, I might know a little something about something and I hope I can help out.

The Most Important Thing!

The biggest thing is that you do something. Don't just wonder about what workout you should do and how to best achieve the results. Because bascially, if your day is sitting around on the couch, every minute spent at the gym doing some exercising will help, every minute of biking or walking helps. So this is key: Stay active, don't stop.

In my experience, going to the gym is the most fun and the most effective. So I do that. These days, I have the luxury of being able to go daily, which I do by having a two-split of arm day and leg day. I'm not saying that you should do that, but it works wonders for me.

The Second Most Important Thing

Weight loss is very, very simple in its basics. You don't need to follow a strict diet. Because the very basic rule is this: Calories in < Calories out.

So find out how many calories your body needs every day. Be honest. Here's a good calculator.

Once you've figured out how much your body needs, start reading labels and go from there.

Hunger

Suddenly eating less will cause you hunger. This sucks. I found that replacing carbohydrates with protein helps a lot as it is heavier on the stomach than carbs are.

Burning More Calories

There's a little secret to burning more calories and thus make your body use up more fuel. That is to build muscle. Women usually exclaim at this point that they don't want to look like body builders. I'm not talking about massive mountains of muscle here, but more like a toned body. At the very most, I'm talking Fitness Models.

Keto/Low-Carb/Paleo/etc

Even after all these years, I often feel overwhelmed by all the experts, self-proclaimed experts and big talkers on the internet and in magazines. It feels like that for whatever study proves something, there's ten studies disproving it and then there's more studies disproving them.

I try to limit my carbs, keep my protein high and I've had great successes with keto in the past. Ketogenic nutrition us the fat intake of your body and this - here's where I get as sciency as I get - makes your body eat up its own fat cells. Here's a decent guide on it.

Food and Exercise

I can survive for longer periods of time under 1000kcal a day. Even for a person much smaller than me, that's not a lot of calories. It's also neither sustainable nor healthy. Neither is a 1200kcal diet with a daily workout.

Basically, your food intake needs to be in balance with your exercise regimen. The best way for me to do that is figure out my caloric needs and then stick to 80% of that.

Supplements

I have a massive sweet tooth, explaining my formerly excess weight. So I'm superhappy that there's such a thing as protein shakes and protein candy bars.

But even if you don't have my love for sweets, you might want to consider supplements. Out of general concern, I take two vitamin pills and two magnesium pills every morning, just to make sure that my body has what it needs in terms of vitamins.

Basically, you need to make sure that your body is equipped to be able to take the punishment of diet and exercise. Everything you do takes its toll on your body, you see. So while you can do the 1000kcal and daily exercise for a while, your body just can't regenerate. Sure, it'll go well for a while, but at some point, something might break. And seeing as this is the only body I'll ever get, I am taking care of it.

Gym

I love going to the gym. Not just because they have all the weights I could possibly want to lift, but also because they have staff that has way more knowledge about these things than I do.

So I recommend that when you go to the gym, you are honest with the staff there and you make your goals clear. Then listen to what they have to say.

The first two weeks are gruelling. You're sore, you have to drag your sorry carcass to the gym time and time again, but if you keep it up, you will notice changes very, very soon.

There. That's pretty much the basic stuff I have to say about all of this. If you have any questions or if I didn't make myself clear in some parts, feel free to poke holes into any of this. Or ask.
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Old 29.03.2016, 11:49
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How did I not see this thread? I know a lot about both weight loss and weight training as well as general fitness. I don't know a lot about the science behind anything but the most basic of fitness rules. Why, you ask? I've lost 51kg (112.5lbs) over the course of the past few years. Well, I am 51kg lighter and I've put on a guesstimated 15-20kg of muscle. So as a formerly morbidly obese person, I might know a little something about something and I hope I can help out.
51 Kilos? Pussy, 165 kgs here that´s down by 82 kgs in five years, and I benchpress 140 kgs in the gym.: msncool:
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SpiritV , slammer, well done, respect!
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Old 29.03.2016, 12:00
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I love going to the gym. Not just because they have all the weights I could possibly want to lift, but also because they have staff that has way more knowledge about these things than I do.

This is a good point. You need to love, or grow to love the exercise that you choose.

Personally I don't like gyms and prefer to get my exercise out in the fresh air but that doesn't matter.
Whatever you do, you should be doing it for the rest of your life so you should enjoy it.
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... Don't just wonder about what workout you should do and how to best achieve the results. Because bascially, if your day is sitting around on the couch, every minute spent at the gym doing some exercising will help, every minute of biking or walking helps. So this is key: Stay active, don't stop...
True enough. If I may add, if you spend your time cooking or making yourself those healthy dishes/snacks or whatever have you (read: generally complicated recipes) and keep your kitchen clean afterwards, you already burn lots and lots of calories

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Whatever you're planning to achieve in terms of set goals always be careful what you wish for ...

Two years ago, I was on mission to get more muscles so I started regular gymming sessions 3-4 times a week with heavy weights and limited number of reps in sets. After whole year of such routine my weight jumped from 83kg to 93kg of muscles (biceps from 41cm to 43cm could easily do sets of bench presses with 100-110kg x 6-8 reps) and I felt really big and looked good (so I was told in my 40's by folks and my wife). Soon injuries crept in, I couldn't play good tennis because of muscle mass and often had aggravating flat foot problem because body wasn't used to carry extra 10kg. I ate well and used to drink protein milkshakes. Feeling less flexible and obstructed by movements, I decided to look for opposite side of the fitness. Lost muscle mass in favour of fitness, dynamics and endurance training. Basically cancelled my slow-twitch muscle prospect versus gaining fast-twitch muscles for tennis player and other sports. It took me another year of regular fitness regime to revert back to normal, free weights aside substituted by more dynamic exercises, running, jogging, cross-trainer, cycling, skiing and aerobics. This way I lost 12kg of muscle mass and fat included gaining well ripped body and six pack in process. I stretch a lot and feel very good flexibility wise, less tired during the day and have more endurance than ever before (all those 25 years of going to the gym and pumping iron). Not to mention perfectly fit for tennis with my game improved quite a lot. I also started eating less and healthier stuff as my taste buds became more picky. If I have occasional 2-3 beers a week the worst I can notice is that my six pack gets slightly less cut but the next day routine kills the excess calories. Ok, now my other half thinks that I'm too skinny but personally I feel very agile and light. Zero injuries due to stretching and well maintained athleticism.

Bottom line, set your goals wisely and in order to lose weight remember that exercising is important but the diet is twice as important. If you don't wanna be too big and body builder type of physicality, then don't exaggerate with gymming and control your BMI by right combination of workout. Each to their own. I made my choice and know what type of body makes me feel better.
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Whatever you're planning to achieve in terms of set goals always be careful what you wish for ...
If I may add to this post: When you first start out, talk to the people at your gym. They can advise you on how to best get the results you want. My gym even goes as far as to advise you on nutrition and so on after a while. So it definitely pays off to be on good terms with them.

Because as Jacek says, injury can creep in and nobody wants that.
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Which one looks more healthy, feminine and beautiful?

This:


Or these:



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Which one looks more healthy, feminine and beautiful?

This:


Or these:



…Sorry. What was the question?
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Which one looks more healthy, feminine and beautiful?

This:


Or these:



the first one but that's my opinion. And the whole world could say is the fake boobs one or the no muscle one that it wouldn't change what I think it's beautiful.

I won't get fit for others.
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Which one looks more healthy, feminine and beautiful?
Phui, pictures with teenagers. Of course they look good at this age no matter what. Btw, I'm with Nil on this one, from a certain age a toned body will help anyone look better.
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Of course the first one is the bestest ...

Free laundry washboard for household comes as a bonus.
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