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Looking for an archery club or range

Hi everyone,

We're a young couple who are looking for an archery club to join in Zürich, after having moved here a few months ago.
In our previous country, we belonged to a local club and went to their shooting range roughly every two weeks to practice and socialize with fellow archers.

We shot there for about a year, bought our own bows and equipment and worked our way up from 5, to 10 to 18 meters, indoors and then outdoors.
After finishing to settle in Zürich, we looked for a club to resume our practice and we quickly found about the "Bogensportzentrum Zürich", located in Wiedikon.

We went there and had a friendly chat with the owner, Kurt Nünlist. He asked us to show him our level, so we assembled our bows and equipment and started shooting at 5 or 7m. At first, we were a bit off but after a few rounds our arrow grouping really started to tighten and we continued shooting for about half an hour.

At the end, while packing up our equipment and paying for the session, the owner explained that they were trying to finance a new building for the club and that they were therefore making changes to the pricing grid for using the facilities. Still, it didn't seem much of an issue to us as we were perfectly fine paying a membership to support the club plans and to pay for each session for the targets we were using while training.

Then, and this where it really went downhill fast, the owner told us that we were welcome to join, but before we could come and use the facilities ourselves, we would need to take a private lesson of 1 to 2 hours with him. He would charge us a total of 500.- for 2 people. That was quite the shock to us, as we did take a few private lessons in our previous club, but never for more than 20 to 30.- per person per hour.

We explained calmly that we were fine with contributing to the club finances by paying a membership and for the use of the facilities and equipment, but we didn't feel we needed a private lesson before resuming our practice and that, as we demonstrated, were able to assemble/disassemble and maintain our equipment and that we were quite capable of shooting safely from a reasonable distance with a perfectly satisfactory arrow grouping.

At this point, he flatly refused to hear anything about it and told us what seemed like a vague excuse about only taking in people they "introduce" themselves and that it was a big liability for them to have us come and shoot even with a membership.

Maybe we're missing something here, but in the context of the club trying to buy some land and build a new training center, it felt a bit like he was trying to pull a fast one on us by asking us to shell out 500.- just to be allowed to join his club. And mind you, that doesn't even include the membership to the club or the archery association, which approximately doubles the cost.

That's why we're currently looking for another club that hopefully will allow us to join without having to pay up an upfront fee that is high enough for a very nice short trip anywhere in Europe.

If you have any recommendation for a friendly club in Zürich, we'd be happy to hear about it.

Thank you!

TL;DR: 2 archers looking for a new club or range after Kurt Nünlist from Bogensportzentrum demanded 500.- + membership fee to be simply allowed to join his club for training at their facilities.
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Old 02.03.2017, 12:44
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

Google says there are a few more clubs,
https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#q=...+z%C3%BCrich&*
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

Good luck finding a new club, but I would remove the guy's name from your post.
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Google says there are a few more clubs,
https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#q=...+z%C3%BCrich&*
Thanks, I will look them up. But I was more looking for personal feedback, if anyone had some

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Good luck finding a new club, but I would remove the guy's name from your post.
Thank you!
Well his name is on their website, so it's not exactly private information I guess. I can always remove it if you think it shouldn't be included
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Old 02.03.2017, 13:21
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Well his name is on their website, so it's not exactly private information I guess. I can always remove it if you think it shouldn't be included
It's generally frowned on in EF to name names and to be honest I don't think his name makes any difference to the issue in hand. I do sympathise however, it does seem a bit of a cheek considering you're experienced archers.
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

I see, I didn't know. I would gladly edit my original post to redact the name but it seems like the forum won't let me do it "You may not edit your posts". Probably because my account is new.
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Old 02.03.2017, 14:37
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

Leave the name, if the guy wants to be an idiot then ok.
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

I am planning to join soon Bogenschützen Zürich/... will let you know the outcome. Hopefully better than yours.
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Well his name is on their website, so it's not exactly private information I guess. I can always remove it if you think it shouldn't be included
Reading over the post, I'm not exactly sure it's fair to say he "demanded" the 500.00. It sounds as if you had complete freedom of choice.

Before thinking too harshly of him, it's possible there may be more going on than it seems. I'm not sure if the conversation occurred in English or German and if both sides speak with full fluency on the subject matter. Perhaps key points were not delivered correctly?

Also, in my experience, people overseeing high risk or liability situations often do have certain expectations and I could understand him wanting some type of documentation that all relevant safety and operational aspects were addressed with you in a formal setting. There's also an obligation to the other members to ensure that everyone on the premises meets an established baseline. Perhaps it's even a selling point of that particular club/range.

I imagine it's also possible that he just didn't like you and thought 500.00 would be good enough to see you on your way.

Either way, most people I know here won't even pour coffee for 30.00 an hour. They certainly aren't going to teach a private archery class.
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Reading over the post, I'm not exactly sure it's fair to say he "demanded" the 500.00. It sounds as if you had complete freedom of choice.
Sure, and we chose not to pay the 500.-
I'm not sure where you're going with that, but it still feels like a demand to us if paying him to let us join is our only option to train at his club.

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I'm not sure if the conversation occurred in English or German and if both sides speak with full fluency on the subject matter. Perhaps key points were not delivered correctly?
Actually it happened in French, our mother tongue, which he speaks pretty well. Then we confirmed later over email in English and the answer was also quite clear and in line with his original "request". I'm not sure where there could be some confusion, but I guess anything is possible.

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Also, in my experience, people overseeing high risk or liability situations often do have certain expectations and I could understand him wanting some type of documentation that all relevant safety and operational aspects were addressed with you in a formal setting. There's also an obligation to the other members to ensure that everyone on the premises meets an established baseline. Perhaps it's even a selling point of that particular club/range.
I'm pretty sure a standard membership payed by the members is enough to be covered from an insurance point of view. And beside, there were other people with a much lower level than us (I would say less than 10 hours experience with a bow), training alone at the time with the club's bows, unsupervised, while we were talking to the owner. So I don't think that is the issue either.

But again, anything is possible, even maybe that he simply didn't like us. It felt more to us like they were trying just to charge as much money as they could to finance their projects, which in our case, felt a bit unjustified.

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Either way, most people I know here won't even pour coffee for 30.00 an hour. They certainly aren't going to teach a private archery class.
Agreed, but then again, we never asked for private lessons in the first place and would be quite happy training on our own, which apparently is not an option there if you don't shell out an "entrance fee" to obtain the right to pay for the membership required to do so.

Anyway, I don't want to dwell too much on the welcome we got there, but instead focus on finding a friendly and welcoming club.

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I am planning to join soon Bogenschützen Zürich/... will let you know the outcome. Hopefully better than yours.
All the best, I hope you have more luck than we did. Let us know how it went
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It's generally frowned on in EF to name names and to be honest I don't think his name makes any difference to the issue in hand. I do sympathise however, it does seem a bit of a cheek considering you're experienced archers.
I don't get the sensibility about not naming people in a public position, especially in a case where OP just reports, adds his impression, but gives no judgement about the other side.

After all it's not as if libel laws here were remotely comparable to a certain tough-guy country.

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A typical Verein has no commercial interest, members do their thing for the fun of it and in the hope of promoting it a bit. They may get public support and help for setting up a club building if necessary. Members will offer lessons at very competitive rates, even 200CHF for 2 hours for two people would be on the very high end.

The Bogensportzentrum appears to be a commercial institute founded by Nünlist after his career as archer. That's a completely different matter.
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Re: Looking for an archery club or range

So did someone tried taking that crash course for 250 CHF pp? I m considering it (being an absolute beginner) and wanted to know if it's worth it there or not?
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