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Turbo-trainer time, however...

With the Winter nights closing in, it's time to dust off the old turbo-trainer. However, not wanting to ruin my tyre and have the possibility to go out on the road in case of good weekend weather, I thought I should probably buy a spare rear wheel for the trainer and trainer-tyre. Question is, should I buy a cassette that exactly matches my existing set-up (12-26, 9-speed), or can I get away with another 9-speed combination or even a single speed (I can change the resistance on the trainer itself)?
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Re: Turbo-trainer time, however...

what the hell is a turbo-trainer?
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Old 29.11.2017, 16:57
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what the hell is a turbo-trainer?
It allows to turn your bicycle into an indoor stationary trainer. Something like this:



It depends. In I have an Shimano Ultegra 105 cassete but would't spend the money on the same. No need to save weight on the back axis
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Re: Turbo-trainer time, however...

cheap spare wheel with cheap cassette from the same system, but maybe closer ratios. Would be the easiet
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Old 29.11.2017, 17:09
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With the Winter nights closing in, it's time to dust off the old turbo-trainer. However, not wanting to ruin my tyre and have the possibility to go out on the road in case of good weekend weather, I thought I should probably buy a spare rear wheel for the trainer and trainer-tyre. Question is, should I buy a cassette that exactly matches my existing set-up (12-26, 9-speed), or can I get away with another 9-speed combination or even a single speed (I can change the resistance on the trainer itself)?
For the cost of a new wheel, tyre and cassette, you could get through a reasonable amount of additional wear on your normal road tyre before you are going to be saving money.

With regards the specific question, a different combination should work fine as long as you aren't planning on getting a cassette with a significantly larger final sprocket. I wouldn't try single-speed primarily due to the chance of accidentally changing gear whilst cranking it and suddenly ending up with no resistance, but at around 15 for a new cassette you aren't going to save anything that way anyway by the time you have added spacers and the single sprocket.

How quickly does your turbo get through tyres? Have you tried reducing the pressure holding the tyre to the roller to the minimum?
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Old 30.11.2017, 11:24
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Re: Turbo-trainer time, however...

I'm about to set mine up for the first time. Bought last winter and never used, due to cycling indoors being mind-numbingly boring for me.

Any tips for keeping up the enthusiasm? I thought of setting up a spare screen in front of the bike, so that at least I can watch Youtube...
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Old 30.11.2017, 11:57
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For the cost of a new wheel, tyre and cassette, you could get through a reasonable amount of additional wear on your normal road tyre before you are going to be saving money.

With regards the specific question, a different combination should work fine as long as you aren't planning on getting a cassette with a significantly larger final sprocket. I wouldn't try single-speed primarily due to the chance of accidentally changing gear whilst cranking it and suddenly ending up with no resistance, but at around 15 for a new cassette you aren't going to save anything that way anyway by the time you have added spacers and the single sprocket.

How quickly does your turbo get through tyres? Have you tried reducing the pressure holding the tyre to the roller to the minimum?
I already have a tyre that came with the trainer. It's more the convenience of simply swapping out a wheel should I fancy a Winter weekend jaunt in the countryside.

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Any tips for keeping up the enthusiasm? I thought of setting up a spare screen in front of the bike, so that at least I can watch Youtube...
I have mine set up in from of the TV in the basement, so I fire up Plex and watch TV shows. I have to turn up the volume though, my trainer is pretty noisy at high cadence.
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Old 30.11.2017, 12:18
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Any tips for keeping up the enthusiasm? I thought of setting up a spare screen in front of the bike, so that at least I can watch Youtube...
No TV or Youtube for me. I ride on a roller so need more concentration for balance. I listen to music, something lively, but use the Garmin to keep an eye on speed, cadence, heart rate, average speed, distance and time. I also ride hands-free which becomes pretty automatic but I wouldn't watch TV while doing it!

I don't actually enjoy it but it is wonderful in spring to transfer back to riding outside with no painful transition. I also put all the info onto the computer and check in Garmin Connect how few other 75+ year olds ride more, faster, more often. Very satisfying.

It's quite idiotic and all in the mind but it works for me, and has done for nearly ten years.
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Re: Turbo-trainer time, however...

Any old wheel, with any old cassette, using just a single gear. That's how I set ours up, even though it's a dedicated bike, salvaged from the recycling yard and stripped of useful parts.

But as already mentioned, the saving, if any, would take years to recoup. Even a cheapo wheel is going to cost you at least as much as a tyre and the amount of wear you'd be putting on it, given that it's running on smooth metal rollers, is surely going to be negligible?
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Old 30.11.2017, 12:45
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Any tips for keeping up the enthusiasm? I thought of setting up a spare screen in front of the bike, so that at least I can watch Youtube...
Personally I listen to podcasts for easier sessions, music for harder ones. But honestly, my motivation comes from having a coach who tracks all my sessions!

I know a lot of people who use Zwift which is supposed to be good for the motivation, but it requires a certain amount of expenditure to get set up, which may or may not be worth it depending on how much you are using it. (Computer or Apple TV, plus screen, plus monthly subscription...).
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Old 30.11.2017, 12:55
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I'm about to set mine up for the first time. Bought last winter and never used, due to cycling indoors being mind-numbingly boring for me.

Any tips for keeping up the enthusiasm? I thought of setting up a spare screen in front of the bike, so that at least I can watch Youtube...
Do you have a smart-trainer? Check out Zwift. It allows you to compete with other cyclist.

I currently own a roller but I'm thinking of upgrading to a interactive-trainer (not sure how you call them, those which you take out the back-wheel and connect the chain to the trainer itself). Something like this but I'm still not so sure. The noise is OK but does it produce a lot of vibrations? That's my concern since I live in an apartment.
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Old 30.11.2017, 17:02
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I currently own a roller but I'm thinking of upgrading to a interactive-trainer (not sure how you call them, those which you take out the back-wheel and connect the chain to the trainer itself). Something like this but I'm still not so sure. The noise is OK but does it produce a lot of vibrations? That's my concern since I live in an apartment.
I have a Flux, which seems to work pretty well now that Tacx have got over some intial production issues with early units. It's reasonably quiet, but a long way from silent - it will depend a bit on how sturdy the walls/floors of your apartment are. DC Rainmaker has a good review including some videos on the noise here: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/12/...th-review.html

Edit to add: If you put a rubber mat under it that should stop any vibrations. I got some of the interlocking gym floor mats through Amazon for about 20 which are big enough to have the whole bike on, and consequently also catch any sweat...
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Re: Turbo-trainer time, however...

To summarise / add to the above:

to make it interesting: I agree with the suggestion of ZWIFT ... I tried the five main ones wit a trial period and chose it due to the variety, and best of all the coaching/training plans they provide, which makes time on the trainer more focussed. choice of "programs" very good... 30 mins intensive, through to century training plans

I bought a Smart Trainer - advantage of spending a bit more is 1) it can handle more power 2) the resistance changes when i "go up a hill" and so effort increases in a fairly realistic way when doing hill/mountain climbs in Zwift. Fun while suffering...

proper trainer tyre (blue or red ones on Galaxus) are apparently quieter, as well as infinitely more durable. last winter i just shredded a black tyre... although i dont recommend it, i was just lazy

yes rubber yoga mat etc helps with vibration and pools of sweat, and towel and big pedestal fan are essential
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