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Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

Can you bring a canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train?

Do you have to pay TAX while entering Basel?
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Old 05.08.2019, 14:38
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Can you bring a canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train?
Yes, of course you can. What the make or type of bike has to do with it I don't know.

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Do you have to pay TAX while entering Basel?
Yes, if you're importing it then you should declare it, assuming it's worth more than 300 chfs. (Which I think is still the limit, but stand to be corrected).

Will you be stopped if you just try to bring it through without declaring it? Well I know of people who have been, and not just with a new bike, but ones they were simply using for commuting. But I suspect the chances are low, although higher if it's all brand new and shiny.

You could always get off in Germany and cycle through, where I think the chances of successfully smuggling it in would be very much higher. Not that I'd ever condone such a thing, of course.
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Old 05.08.2019, 14:50
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Can you bring a canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train?

Do you have to pay TAX while entering Basel?
You would be best off officially claiming the German tax back and paying the Swiss if Canyon support that.
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Yes, of course you can. What the make or type of bike has to do with it I don't know.
FYI - the relevance of the make is that Canyon bikes are not allowed to be sold in CH due to a competing bike brand owning the name. For several years Canyon sold a reduced selection of their models in CH under the brand name Pure Cycling, but that stopped about a year ago and you can't get them at all now, other than buying them in the EU and going to collect as the OP is proposing.

Edited to add: It seems that the Swiss Canyon brand have just changed their name to Cylan bikes, so maybe Canyon will be coming back to CH soon...?
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Edited to add: It seems that the Swiss Canyon brand have just changed their name to Cylan bikes, so maybe Canyon will be coming back to CH soon...?
Interesting. Guess that means Canyon (Germany) have bought the rights to the Canyon name in Switzerland from them. Wonder how much that cost...
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Edited to add: It seems that the Swiss Canyon brand have just changed their name to Cylan bikes, so maybe Canyon will be coming back to CH soon...?
Likely.

The Canyon brand rights in Nice class 12 have been transferred July 3th 2019 to the Canyon IP Management AG, Baar. This company was founded June 25 2019 and it has two directors. One is Mr. Lothar Arnold which is also Managing Director of Canyon Bicycles GmbH, Germany.
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FYI - the relevance of the make is that Canyon bikes are not allowed to be sold in CH due to a competing bike brand owning the name.
Right, I wasn't aware of that. Still won't make any difference on a personal import though.
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Interesting. Guess that means Canyon (Germany) have bought the rights to the Canyon name in Switzerland from them. Wonder how much that cost...
In that case, I will wait until next month. Since I also suspect that since Cylan.ch is live now.

I was planning to buy between these 2 bikes.

- Specialized Diverge E5 Comp
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- Canyon Grail CF 7.0
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

you are probably better off declaring it anyway (as it means paying swiss vat instead of german one)
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

How do you claim back German vat and pay Swiss vat to customs ?
I dont have any idea . Pls guide
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

Is the bike worth more than CHF 300 ? If yes than Swiss VAT is due and you must voluntarily and without request declare the bike once the customs agent passes you in the train.

You can also do so using the Swiss Custom QuickZoll App (mandatory if you travel by Regional train) https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...quickzoll.html

If no customs agent passes you in the train, and you are not using a regional train, and you did not declare using the QuickZoll app, you must declare at the border train station (Basel Badischer Bahnhof).

Further information, in English on custom website:
https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...g-by-rail.html
and in the following leaflet:
https://www.ezv.admin.ch/dam/ezv/en/...ut%20Delay.pdf

Be aware this is only the Swiss side. To get German VAT back you must follow the German export procedure and get the needed export stamp at a German or other EU custom post. If you come in by train this would be either the German customs office at Basel Badischer Bahnhof https://www.zoll.de/SharedDocs/Diens...asel_4058.html
or in case you come from France the French Customs office at Basel SNCF (at the same location as Basel SBB).

Once the German or EU custom stamp is on the bill you have to get in contact with the seller to get German VAT reimbursed. Reimbursing German VAT is a voluntary optional offer by the seller. The seller might use a third party provider such as Global Blue to reimburse VAT or not reimburse the German VAT at all. Find out the procedure before hand. Swiss VAT is due regardless if German VAT is reimbursed.
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

Thanks for details. One more question.
Do no EU residents also have to pay customs ? Since I'm on a temporary residence visa, and I'm on vacation here in Switzerland

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Is the bike worth more than CHF 300 ? If yes than Swiss VAT is due and you must voluntarily and without request declare the bike once the customs agent passes you in the train.

You can also do so using the Swiss Custom QuickZoll App (mandatory if you travel by Regional train) https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...quickzoll.html

If no customs agent passes you in the train, and you are not using a regional train, and you did not declare using the QuickZoll app, you must declare at the border train station (Basel Badischer Bahnhof).

Further information, in English on custom website:
https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...g-by-rail.html
and in the following leaflet:
https://www.ezv.admin.ch/dam/ezv/en/...ut%20Delay.pdf

Be aware this is only the Swiss side. To get German VAT back you must follow the German export procedure and get the needed export stamp at a German or other EU custom post. If you come in by train this would be either the German customs office at Basel Badischer Bahnhof https://www.zoll.de/SharedDocs/Diens...asel_4058.html
or in case you come from France the French Customs office at Basel SNCF (at the same location as Basel SBB).

Once the German or EU custom stamp is on the bill you have to get in contact with the seller to get German VAT reimbursed. Reimbursing German VAT is a voluntary optional offer by the seller. The seller might use a third party provider such as Global Blue to reimburse VAT or not reimburse the German VAT at all. Find out the procedure before hand. Swiss VAT is due regardless if German VAT is reimbursed.
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Old 09.08.2019, 17:22
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Thanks for details. One more question.
Do no EU residents also have to pay customs ? Since I'm on a temporary residence visa, and I'm on vacation here in Switzerland
This doesn't make any sense. In which country do you have temporary residence?
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

I'm doing this right now, and following the advice of a previous thread posted on EnglishForum about having a Canyon bike delivered to the border with Germany.

https://www.englishforum.ch/sports-f...ike-order.html

And then going through the process of getting the Swiss VAT paid (8%, 9%?) and then having the German VAT (already included in the price, 18%) reimbursed by getting all the appropriate paperwork stamped at the border. So in effect you are getting some of the money from the total purchase price back if you go through the process.

However, I e-mailed and contacted Canyon in advance about making sure the German VAT would be reimbursed, because as mentioned it's at the behest of the seller.
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This doesn't make any sense. In which country do you have temporary residence?
I'm staying in Basel, Switzerland for short duration on vacation. I'm not EU resident.
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Old 10.08.2019, 09:27
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This doesn't make any sense. In which country do you have temporary residence?
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I'm staying in Basel, Switzerland for short duration on vacation. I'm not EU resident.
Still makes no sense. Do you have a Swiss residence permit of some description? If not then the whole question of importing goods doesn't really apply.
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Still makes no sense. Do you have a Swiss residence permit of some description? If not then the whole question of importing goods doesn't really apply.
What if he brings the bike across, it's obviously brand new, and the inspector asks for import papers? How does that work?

The user says he wants to claim back German VAT and pay Swiss VAT instead. He says he's got temporary residence, but not in CH or in EU so I don't understand how any of this would work.
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I'm staying in Basel, Switzerland for short duration on vacation. I'm not EU resident.
O.k. lets get some of the basic knowledge out of you.

Of what country are you a resident? And where does the bike eventually end up?
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Re: Can you bring canyon bike from Germany to Basel via train

Blood from a stone...
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Likely.

The Canyon brand rights in Nice class 12 have been transferred July 3th 2019 to the Canyon IP Management AG, Baar. This company was founded June 25 2019 and it has two directors. One is Mr. Lothar Arnold which is also Managing Director of Canyon Bicycles GmbH, Germany.
Didn't take long: Canyon now available under the Canyon name in CH:

https://www.canyon.com/en-ch/opening-special/
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