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Old 01.08.2008, 14:05
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Here's some more advice :-)

Invest in a fat meter. Your body weight is *not* what you are trying to minimize, it is simply sometimes correlated with the amount of fat on your body.

Sell your car and develop a phobia for elevators. Cycling to work or walking from the bus stop every day can make a difference.

Train first thing in the morning before eating anything (but do drink 2-3 glasses of water before setting off). Maybe take the train to the HB and then run to work? (if you have showers)

Try to find a sport you enjoy. For me it's cycling in the mountains... For you it might be hiking with your family?

Use free weights. Or, even better, your own weight. Those spacey looking machines are not for people starting out. What they offer is focus, i.e. training a specific muscle and only that. What you need is to develop as many calorie-burning ers as you can :-) Balancing a free weight means that you exercise your entire arm rather than just your bicep. Along the same lines: don't forget your legs. Big legs burn big burgers.

Play with numbers. Knowing that you are doing 95 rpm when you said you'd do a 100 will help you forget the pain.
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Well there's a load of ideas collected so far, many thanks for all the contributions. I will be getting the bike out of the cellar again this weekend and start peddaling again as soon as possible. I'll also start doing some exercises using own body weight to begin with. I already do try drink a minimum of 2 ltrs of water a day - the colour of pee trick is something I've known about a while already.

Starting off from today the state of things is weight 81.5kg, height 1,76m body fat content 27.2% (!) I have a bathroom scales that measures fat content etc already. With 27.2% fat content you can pretty easily see the problem :-)

Hey ho, time to walk, run, cycle, eat smaller regular meals, exercise etc. None of it's rocket science really.

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I already do try drink a minimum of 2 ltrs of water a day - the colour of pee trick is something I've known about a while already.
Personally I don't believe the 2 liter bull. Just drink (water, not juices or coffee) until you are not thirsty! I do agree with the pee trick.

On juices: they are full of sugars and calories; avoid them as you would avoid coca-cola.
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Well I'm looking for a panacea. I would like to lose about 10 kg, I'm not massively overweight but at 1m76cm and 82 kg I could do with losing a bit, most of it seems to be doing extra chin duty or adding to the Michelin Man profile. I'd like to shift the weight and put on a bit of muscle, mainly in my arms which are a bit, shall we say, spaghetti thin like? I used to do quite a lot of training, mainly Kieser style machines rather than free weights but that was a while back. What I'm looking for is something that is fun to do, cheap or free, doesn't need lots of equipment (better still, no equipment) and doesn't take up huge amounts of time as I'm working full time and have two small children that take up free time at the evenings and weekends. Two years ago I was cycling to work everyday with my two children in a bike trailer which was a combined additional weight of over 50kg, that really worked wonders. That isn't possible now as the children have outgrown the trailer. Running isn't really my thing but maybe with a MP3 player it would be tolerable.

What do the good folk of EF suggest?

(apart from losing ten pounds of useless fat by cutting my head off )

dear lu wu. r u serious? i mean serious? how about something relatively painless?

1. flush ur self out. clear juice, water (lemon) and green tea for just a few days. 3 if u can stand it.

2. eat what you eat just do not do it after 18.00.

3. no tv, working, talking, reading, sexing, etc. - u name it while u are eating.

4. add more water to your diet. spruce it up with a splash of juice that u love. how about cranberry? it ph balances all kinds of things in ur intestines and girl bits. sorry....do u have girl bits? never mind....

5. exercise? what for? u say u want a 'panacea'? find a local gym with a power plate - a vibrating plate. it was developed in russia for the astronauts as weightlessness creates muscle and bone density loss. used by all space programs on the planet. 15 minutes a day and not only will you work EVERY last muscle in your body (half u never knew u had) but u will loss weight and looked buffed without the muscle protrusions. the migros club here in basel has one.

6. okay a bit of exercise won't hurt. walk to and from work. or one way or around the block a few times,etc.

4-6 weeks and u is gonna look hot. swear.

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Actually we already have a crosstrainer, which has at least input, though I don't know about output possibilities. I was hoping to find out about the software and see if it works with our trainer.
  • High end machines would have a Windows or Linux operating system. Thus you can get and load software on to it.
  • Mid-range machines are factory programmed on the chip. These can only be re-programmed with special devices.
  • Low-end machines have no output ports.
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1) Drink Aim for 2 litres of water a day, more if you're particularly active / warm. As a (crude) guide, if your pee isn't clear, drink more until it is. Don't go mental though as over-hydration is more damaging by far than under-hydration would ever be.

What would you regard as over-hydration? I drink between 5 and 7 litres of water a day - besides peeing an awful lot, what's the harm???

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PS. I've been tested for diabetes and there's no problem there
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What would you regard as over-hydration? [...] what's the harm???
See this recent BBC piece of news and try googling (or look up in Wikipedia) the relevant medical terms.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7520756.stm

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What would you regard as over-hydration? I drink between 5 and 7 litres of water a day - besides peeing an awful lot, what's the harm???
See my signature for a response :-) ("Common sense: so rare it's a god damn superpower.")

PS no offence meant!
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See my signature for a response :-) ("Common sense: so rare it's a god damn superpower.")

PS no offence meant!

No offence taken and just to be clear, I don't drink this much water for weight-loss, I'm actually that thirsty
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Hi! If you need help to lose weight and gain muscle, watch out that you don't jog to much, because you'll lose a lot of muscles mass, if you want to gain muscles you must find out how much protein your body needs, because after you reach 25, your body muscle mass starts to shrink, metabolisim slows down, fatt cells increase, interesting, I found this out after gining 35 kg in 3 years, and with the right concept, and the right amout of protein, I gain muscle mass and lost 25 kg in 5 months. If you want more information, just contact me! I'm a personal wellness coach, I can give you some good advice.

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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Foodwise:
- Cut out the alcohol
- Drink water with freshly squeezed lemon juice (fatburner)
- Eating almonds burns more calories than are actually in the almonds
- Cut out refined sugar and white flour
- Substitute sugar with fructose and white flour with spelt flour or wholemeal
- i.e. instead of regular jam, look for jam with fructose (e.g. Hero Le Fruit or Migros own brand). Eat with wholemeal bread.
- Eat dark chocolate instead of milk choc
- Protein-formula (x kg weight = x +1g protein): i.e. if you weigh 70kg, then if you eat 71g protein a day, you will lose weight. Protein-high foods: eggs, nuts, buttermilk, quark, cheese, turkey, quinoa, soya beans come to mind right now.

Exercise:
- 10 minutes / day trampolining; releases "happy" hormones, so is a great start to the day.
- WiiFit. Fun, needs little storage space, easy to set up and tracks your progress.

Treat yourself:
- Give yourself a break once a week and eat cakes, cookies, sweets, pizza, pies etc. on Saturdays only !
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Foodwise:
- Cut out the alcohol
- Drink water with freshly squeezed lemon juice (fatburner)
- Eating almonds burns more calories than are actually in the almonds
- Cut out refined sugar and white flour
- Substitute sugar with fructose and white flour with spelt flour or wholemeal
- i.e. instead of regular jam, look for jam with fructose (e.g. Hero Le Fruit or Migros own brand). Eat with wholemeal bread.
- Eat dark chocolate instead of milk choc
- Protein-formula (x kg weight = x +1g protein): i.e. if you weigh 70kg, then if you eat 71g protein a day, you will lose weight. Protein-high foods: eggs, nuts, buttermilk, quark, cheese, turkey, quinoa, soya beans come to mind right now.

Exercise:
- 10 minutes / day trampolining; releases "happy" hormones, so is a great start to the day.
- WiiFit. Fun, needs little storage space, easy to set up and tracks your progress.

Treat yourself:
- Give yourself a break once a week and eat cakes, cookies, sweets, pizza, pies etc. on Saturdays only !
Hey some good stuff but the stuff I marked in red is kind of debatable

- Almonds can be and are very healthy but I don't think they are negative calorie food. I would rate walnut as no1 nut for overall health benefits (omega 3 etc etc).

- What is with the extra 1gm in your protein formula? If you are eating 70gm of proteins then what difference does +-1gm make

- If you truly change your lifestyle (not talking about temporary fad diets) then you won't need cakes, cookies, sweets, pizza, pies at all Definitely not every Saturday.

- 10 minutes a day might make you feel good but it's peanuts for a healthy body.

Experts can debate further.
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Old 04.08.2008, 01:28
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Hey some good stuff but the stuff I marked in red is kind of debatable

- Almonds can be and are very healthy but I don't think they are negative calorie food. I would rate walnut as no1 nut for overall health benefits (omega 3 etc etc).

- What is with the extra 1gm in your protein formula? If you are eating 70gm of proteins then what difference does +-1gm make

- If you truly change your lifestyle (not talking about temporary fad diets) then you won't need cakes, cookies, sweets, pizza, pies at all Definitely not every Saturday.

- 10 minutes a day might make you feel good but it's peanuts for a healthy body.

Experts can debate further.
Well, the source is a GI-book in German: GLYX (in German) by Marion Grillparzer.

Not sure how the protein formula works, but it has to be more, ergo the "+" and not less. Apparently, that's how Karl Lagerfeld lost his kilos.

Anyways, it works for me!

And - of course you need cakes and cookies - at least every Saturday!!!
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And - of course you need cakes and cookies - at least every Saturday!!!
Maybe you do but not me
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Maybe you do but not me
There are plenty of recipes for cakes and cookies suited to a healthy lifestyle. I often make wholemeal cookies with nuts or a chocolate cake without flour.

You can "have your cake and eat it, too!"


BTW - I forgot earlier:
- No potatoes (chips, mash, baked), except new potatoes !
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Oh Crumbs! (in my best Jennings voice)

many thanks for the tips, some comments from me

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Foodwise:
- Cut out the alcohol - oh dear, I was expecting that.
- Drink water with freshly squeezed lemon juice (fatburner) -good idea
- Eating almonds burns more calories than are actually in the almonds -not keen on almonds, don't they taste like cyanide?
- Cut out refined sugar and white flour -never use sugar, don't eat white bread. I almost never eat pre-prepared/fast/junk food anyway and cook most of our meals so that I can have more control over ingredients.
- Substitute sugar with fructose and white flour with spelt flour or wholemeal
- i.e. instead of regular jam, look for jam with fructose (e.g. Hero Le Fruit or Migros own brand). Eat with wholemeal bread. -never eat jam
- Eat dark chocolate instead of milk choc -already do as I avoid using milk products
- Protein-formula (x kg weight = x +1g protein): i.e. if you weigh 70kg, then if you eat 71g protein a day, you will lose weight. Protein-high foods: eggs, nuts, buttermilk, quark, cheese, turkey, quinoa, soya beans come to mind right now.

Exercise:
- 10 minutes / day trampolining; releases "happy" hormones, so is a great start to the day.
- WiiFit. Fun, needs little storage space, easy to set up and tracks your progress. -bought a Wii for my daughter for her birthday, now we're all using it to play Mario Kart, Wii fit kit will be added this week.

Treat yourself:
- Give yourself a break once a week and eat cakes, cookies, sweets, pizza, pies etc. on Saturdays only !
or a beer maybe?
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

1. lose weight:

at the end of it all, if you burn more energy, then you take in you will lose weight. there are many theories about how best to do this, when how with what, but in the end its that simple formula.

2. muscle:

muscles get bigger atrophy when they are worked. so whatever muscle group you want to get bigger work them. also remember there are always opposites to muscle groups. so if you want big arms, dont just work your biceps, work your triceps also. the harder you work them the bigger they get.

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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Hi All

Cut down your carbs, and swap them for veg.

One way that seems to also work is that you should try to have one meat, one carb and two or three veg on your plate and every portion should be no bigger than a standard light bulb size.

Also cutting out the wine and beer for a few weeks helps, but you might as well then slit your wrists and have done away with the whole thing.
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Cut down your carbs, and swap them for veg.
What are vegetables made out of?
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Re: Want to lose some weight and gain some muscle

Sounds a bit like my situation. I am 179cm and was up to 90kg. Ideal for me is closer to 80kg, and since April, I have dropped 6 kg.

Three things have helped me; eating a yoghurt for breakfast every morning (rather than skipping breakfast completely), not drinking any beer/wine for about one week out of every month, and joining the local gym. I do 30 minutes of cardio at a pretty fast pace, then 10 minutes of stretching followed by 8 sets of squats to build my legs. I will probably work some upper body weight work next month. I try to get to the gym 3-4 times a week. I agree, it is mindnumbing, but with a magazine or newspaper, i can get through the cardio.

Good luck. It gets easier after the first 6-8 weeks.

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Well I'm looking for a panacea. I would like to lose about 10 kg, I'm not massively overweight but at 1m76cm and 82 kg I could do with losing a bit, most of it seems to be doing extra chin duty or adding to the Michelin Man profile. I'd like to shift the weight and put on a bit of muscle, mainly in my arms which are a bit, shall we say, spaghetti thin like? I used to do quite a lot of training, mainly Kieser style machines rather than free weights but that was a while back. What I'm looking for is something that is fun to do, cheap or free, doesn't need lots of equipment (better still, no equipment) and doesn't take up huge amounts of time as I'm working full time and have two small children that take up free time at the evenings and weekends. Two years ago I was cycling to work everyday with my two children in a bike trailer which was a combined additional weight of over 50kg, that really worked wonders. That isn't possible now as the children have outgrown the trailer. Running isn't really my thing but maybe with a MP3 player it would be tolerable.

What do the good folk of EF suggest?

(apart from losing ten pounds of useless fat by cutting my head off )
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