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Then there is the Swedish art: Ikea-do. Allen-key the b<automoderated>s to death.
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Then there is the Swedish art: Ikea-do. Allen-key the b<automoderated>s to death.

lol i'll take your feng shui + ikea-do and give you bear-chi!



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Old 21.09.2019, 00:56
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Old 22.09.2019, 16:45
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It isn't about semantics, your meaning was clear from the moment you started the thread and in every subsequent post. If you need to rely on semantics then you literally have no argument worth talking about. The difference was that I was being logical and accurate whereas you were aiming for generalizations and melodrama with your frankly daft and immature first post that had zero useful information or rationale behind it.
I Didn't need to rely on semantics, as you said it was clear, You on the other hand have to go to the lengths of pointing out an odd trainer here or there. that is not what a system is about. Then you tried to claim a "reasonably quickly" learning from those teachers. That isn't a logical argument.
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What on earth are you talking about? Your wording made it clear that you think Wing Chun is terrible, useless even, why are you suddenly denying that? I agree with you that there are many better systems for learning self-defence quickly, I have repeated that multiple times. I just don't agree that it's a system of no worth, that is not correct.
It is of the same worth as me using a book to level a crooked table. As you said before, everybody knew what i was talking about, and in that subject it is useless. you would better invest your time on xfit to increment your athleticism and at least sprint out or tank it out.

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Thanks for manning up in the end and at least posting something semi-accurate.
you didn't gain anything, do yourself a favor and admit that you wasted years of training in something useless. your need for making an opinion on subjects you seem really clueless about (MA) is highly entertaining. thanks, WC
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Re: wing chun

I couldn‘t be ar<automoderated>ed to read all the posts on this thread. But it does strike me, Ouchboy that you choose to make your arguments on a general forum about life in Switzerland and not on one of the many martial arts forums where „my martial art is better than yours“ type discussions can be participated in ad-nauseam.

I do Aikido each week as I happen to enjoy the physical and mental activity - plus it isn‘t work and I can forget about the dimwits at the office for a few hours. I have no illusions about the chances of someone just knowing Aikido against an experienced MAA fighter and expecting the MAA guy to do a telegraphed attack the way they happen in the dojo. A surefire way to a butt-kicking

My other experience over many years is meeting people who do other martial arts you have friendly respect for each other to the point of telling the ju jitsu club who just vacated the dojo after their session that it‘s their turn to buy the next round at the bar.

I‘d be more than happy to introduce you to our dojo if you wanted to have a try. It is open six days per week and they are friendly crowd. Fitness wise and age wise I am probably a bit past taking up BJ-Jitsu - still recovering from the half marathon I ran yesterday! Though it looks great from what I‘ve seen of it.

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Old 23.09.2019, 00:09
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Re: wing chun

It is always as good as the coach. I do muay thai and it is awesome. I truck myself to the best coach. I can do it where I live if I wanted to go to a blah muay thai team. It suits me but I know others prefer other MAs. My kid wouldn't swap her krav maga for my muay thai.

The only thing is, I hate sweating in my boxing gloves. And mouth guard is still nauseating

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Old 23.09.2019, 00:23
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I couldn‘t be ar<automoderated>ed to read all the posts on this thread. But it does strike me, Ouchboy that you choose to make your arguments on a general forum about life in Switzerland and not on one of the many martial arts forums where „my martial art is better than yours“ type discussions can be participated in ad-nauseam.
The problem for me is when people in such martial arts go comment on threads like bullying etc, in particular you said:" As somebody who trains in martial arts on a weekly basis, it is never the intention to learn how to kick the <autmoderated> out of anybody". The only way to learn how to defend yourself is to learn how to kick the... out of anybody, even indirectly bythe fact that you need to know how to make an attack in order to be a proper uke. Hence i just put an overall tag for when people come asking, those statements equate some martial arts and lead people away from something they could really use.

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I do Aikido each week as I happen to enjoy the physical and mental activity - plus it isn‘t work and I can forget about the dimwits at the office for a few hours. I have no illusions about the chances of someone just knowing Aikido against an experienced MAA fighter and expecting the MAA guy to do a telegraphed attack the way they happen in the dojo. A surefire way to a butt-kicking

Cool, you do it for a social component and get away from work. more power to you. i you know where you are then good. problem is most people don't know that they get this idea that it works reliably. which could lead to a false sense to security and a bigger beating.


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My other experience over many years is meeting people who do other martial arts you have friendly respect for each other to the point of telling the ju jitsu club who just vacated the dojo after their session that it‘s their turn to buy the next round at the bar.

I‘d be more than happy to introduce you to our dojo if you wanted to have a try. It is open six days per week and they are friendly crowd. Fitness wise and age wise I am probably a bit past taking up BJ-Jitsu - still recovering from the half marathon I ran yesterday! Though it looks great from what I‘ve seen of it.

Have fun!
I know my way around the mats of bjj for 10+ years now. thanks. you are never too old to train/tired so i'd say give that a try and you can then effectively measure the difference in martial arts.
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Old 23.09.2019, 08:11
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Re: wing chun

I also said in the same thread that any martial to be effective takes many years of dedicated training. How many years depends on how often you train.

In regard to not wanting to beat the stuffing out of someone - I meant that no martial artist goes around looking for a fight and the idea of hurting someone in a permanent way is not what we set out to do. That said, the techniques we learn will cause serious damage when fully applied. You throw someone onto tarmac, it will hurt them a lot. If I can defend myself and defuse a situation before it gets to that point, then all the better. If you put someone in hospital, you’ll be explaining yourself to PC Plod, whether you started it or not.

Having said that, if you are being attacked by a gang then you will have no choice but to go full on - or run away very fast if you can.

By the way it seems a bit odd that you felt the need to troll me in several places - here and FB. I felt privileged to have a stalker.
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I Didn't need to rely on semantics, as you said it was clear, You on the other hand have to go to the lengths of pointing out an odd trainer here or there. that is not what a system is about. Then you tried to claim a "reasonably quickly" learning from those teachers. That isn't a logical argument.
It is of the same worth as me using a book to level a crooked table. As you said before, everybody knew what i was talking about, and in that subject it is useless. you would better invest your time on xfit to increment your athleticism and at least sprint out or tank it out.

you didn't gain anything, do yourself a favor and admit that you wasted years of training in something useless. your need for making an opinion on subjects you seem really clueless about (MA) is highly entertaining. thanks, WC
Wow, you really are desperate to write ridiculous things to bait/insult people and getting some attention huh? I guess deep insecurity breeds this kind of stuff. *shrugs*

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I also said in the same thread that any martial to be effective takes many years of dedicated training. How many years depends on how often you train.

It seems a bit odd that you felt the need to troll me in several places - here and FB.

Never mind.
Insecure + immature guy = desperate for attention and validation and strong desire to prove himself to peers. Seen it a lot over the years. Ouchboy is of weak character, his multiple trollbait posts written with all the maturity of a 15-year old prove this beyond any doubt and it's pointless to continue any discussion (especially if he is as you say going to the lengths to troll you on Facebook).
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Wow, you really are desperate to write ridiculous things to bait/insult people and getting some attention huh? I guess deep insecurity breeds this kind of stuff. *shrugs*



Insecure + immature guy = desperate for attention and validation and strong desire to prove himself to peers. Seen it a lot over the years. Ouchboy is of weak character, his multiple trollbait posts written with all the maturity of a 15-year old prove this beyond any doubt and it's pointless to continue any discussion (especially if he is as you say going to the lengths to troll you on Facebook).
says the guy who posts unwanted opinions on threads.. rofl... nice try. I guess badly placed confidence breeds that kind of stuff... *double shrugs*.

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I also said in the same thread that any martial to be effective takes many years of dedicated training. How many years depends on how often you train.

In regard to not wanting to beat the stuffing out of someone - I meant that no martial artist goes around looking for a fight and the idea of hurting someone in a permanent way is not what we set out to do. That said, the techniques we learn will cause serious damage when fully applied. You throw someone onto tarmac, it will hurt them a lot. If I can defend myself and defuse a situation before it gets to that point, then all the better. If you put someone in hospital, you’ll be explaining yourself to PC Plod, whether you started it or not.
that was not what you wrote tho. hence my complain
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By the way it seems a bit odd that you felt the need to troll me in several places - here and FB. I felt privileged to have a stalker.

you think too much of yourself, that post was a complain about clueless comments in the martial arts.
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I also said in the same thread that any martial to be effective takes many years of dedicated training. How many years depends on how often you train.

In regard to not wanting to beat the stuffing out of someone - I meant that no martial artist goes around looking for a fight and the idea of hurting someone in a permanent way is not what we set out to do.
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Well, this is in essence what this thread is about. And I honestly and fully disagree. I have tried out various martial arts over the years and just like you simple enjoy them as a sport.

However, they really differ on what Ouchboy is looking for: applied efficiency. I trained kick boxing with a coach who trains fighters for half and full contact fights in the ring. No, these guys are not walking around looking for fights... but they could respond to one way better than any Karateka who only boxed air in his training. Not because the "art" is that much better, but because real sparring is a lot more efficient than some of the more esoteric training methods.

And it only takes a few months, not many years to get the basics right and a boost in confidence which kids facing a bully would need.
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I loved Martial Arts, all different forms have advantages . I suggest trying a range with well qualified instructors.
Be prepared to open your mind and dedicate at least 2 hours a day of hard training, every day.
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I can't speak for others and Chuff probably has the right of it in that more is dependant on the teacher than the system.

In my experience with a background of boxing and then some mma/bjj, I've been to 2 aikido schools where they were abysmal. One of them was training beside our boxing class in uni. If you had gentle open training they just kept getting tagged in the face, gut and fingers. How do you tag a person in their fingers? Easy when they keep reaching for your hands like a slow gollum. Then if they ever do catch your hand they proceed to drop any semblance of defence elsewhere and go at it like a child trying to prove he can open a stiff jar lid.
This might have been the teacher, as he was as bad an offender as the rest.
If you removed striking from the equation it was nearly worse as they keep trying to dive for finger and wrist locks with little regard for body position, meaning they often ended up dumped, mounted and choked/armbarred. Their focus on the small joints to the exclusion of proper elbow, shoulder and naked chokes gives them a very small playbook.
Now I will say one thing which is the big disclaimer, they know a lot more than a person with nothing, against an idiot in the street they "might" have Once you have them figured it's all fair game. Due to their over commitment on some strikes (I don't know which style they were using so ?) they soon learned grappling punishes commitment worse than your first love. So I reckon it might be more useful in a "self defence" situation against people who've been boxing as they just feel weird at first.
I trained with Marines. I was the only woman. They are fast, unpredictable, good legwork and can pack a punch at speed. A strong fit flexible guy who combines Wing Chun with Boxing and Muay Thai can be very powerful. Many men learn these skills, train for hours and pass them on to others outside unregulated
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that was not what you wrote tho. hence my complain

you think too much of yourself, that post was a complain about clueless comments in the martial arts.
Where do you train BJJ? Any recommendations in ZH area?
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