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rezak 24.02.2020 21:47

Importing a 9x19 gun in Italy with European Firearm Pass
 
Hi,
I was wondering if, having a 9x19 gun in Switzerland with an European Firearm Pass, it is possible to import it temporarily in Italy for few days of target shooting (given that in Italy 9x19 semiauto pistols are banned).

The only good reading on this topic that I found is 91/477/CEE, which is pretty old. From what I understand from articles 12.1 and 12.2, to import such gun in Italy I would need an explicit Italian authorization marked on my EFP, since the exception of "free pass if you have a valid reason" in 12.2 does not apply, since these firearms are banned in Italy.
But I don't know who would be an Italian entity that can release such an authorization.

Does anyone have an yexperience with this by chance?

Spinal 25.02.2020 10:15

Re: Importing a 9x19 gun in Italy with European Firearm Pass
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezak (Post 3150969)
g (given that in Italy 9x19 semiauto pistols are banned).

Where does that come from? I have a beretta 92 in Italy (legally held with a porto d'armi), and used to regularly shoot at the local range.

EDIT - Did some digging, I get where the confisuon comes from. In 2010 they added some 9x19 to the "war weapons" catalogue, and then cancelled the whole catalogue... but never really implemented it properly. Clear as mud? Usual for italian law...

I renewed my porto d'armi just before xmas and they had no issues with my 92.

This is a good read:
http://www.armimilitari.it/wordpress...mm-parabellum/

TL : DR Version:
In poche parole in Italia č perfettamente legale acquistare, ed utilizzare armi lunghe calibro 9 Luger/Parabellum, senza inoltre alcuna limitazione all’uso delle sole palle in piombo come accadeva nelle vecchie schede di catalogazione.


EDIT 2: The helpful part. Call the range where you plan to go shooting. They should be registered with TSN (tiro a segno nazionale), and can provide guidance. My local one even organised a medical checkup with their doctor (a requirement for renewal)

rezak 23.03.2020 21:19

Re: Importing a 9x19 gun in Italy with European Firearm Pass
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spinal (Post 3151046)
Where does that come from? I have a beretta 92 in Italy (legally held with a porto d'armi), and used to regularly shoot at the local range.

EDIT - Did some digging, I get where the confisuon comes from. In 2010 they added some 9x19 to the "war weapons" catalogue, and then cancelled the whole catalogue... but never really implemented it properly. Clear as mud? Usual for italian law...

I renewed my porto d'armi just before xmas and they had no issues with my 92.

This is a good read:
http://www.armimilitari.it/wordpress...mm-parabellum/

TL : DR Version:
In poche parole in Italia č perfettamente legale acquistare, ed utilizzare armi lunghe calibro 9 Luger/Parabellum, senza inoltre alcuna limitazione all’uso delle sole palle in piombo come accadeva nelle vecchie schede di catalogazione.


EDIT 2: The helpful part. Call the range where you plan to go shooting. They should be registered with TSN (tiro a segno nazionale), and can provide guidance. My local one even organised a medical checkup with their doctor (a requirement for renewal)

Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay, did not get an email alert for some reason.

The link you mention indeed writes: "Le recenti modifiche alla LEGGE 18 aprile 1975, n. 110, con il DECRETO LEGISLATIVO 26 ottobre 2010, n. 204, hanno di fatto creato la strana categoria delle “armi comuni vietate ai civili”, che sarebbero poi le sole armi CORTE in calibro 9 × 19. Di queste armi č proibita l’importazione e la vendita".
So in my understanding, while it is true that 9x19 pistols are not "war weapons", they are unfortunately the only type of guns that are "common weapons" but still happen to be forbidden.
And the TL;DR you quote mentions indeed that it's the "armi lunghe" 9x19 that can be bought: so the rifles, while the pistols can not.

I'm not sure how is it possible that you own a beretta 92 (if it is in 9x19), but I'm fairly certain that nowadays you can only buy 9x21 pistols.

This brings me to 91/447/CEE that says that "However, this derogation shall not apply to journeys to a Member State which prohibits the acquisition and possession of the firearm in question or which, pursuant to Article 8 (3), makes it subject to authorization ; in that case, an express statement to that effect shall be entered on the European firearms pass." where the derogation is the right of sport shooters to not have an explicit authorization for that gun on their pass.
So it looks like the only way would be to have an explicit Italian authorization on my euro pass for those specific guns, but I never managed to figure out what entity could release that


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