Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Activities > Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #121  
Old 02.12.2020, 21:07
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Aargau
Posts: 120
Groaned at 41 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 243 Times in 95 Posts
Harness is considered knowledgeableHarness is considered knowledgeableHarness is considered knowledgeable
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
You clearly have no understanding of the sort of people who go skiing.
How very condescending of you, or do you still believe it's only the middle classes who ski?
And the rest of it is the sort of thing a man who rents out skiing apartments would say.
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Old 02.12.2020, 21:36
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 15,172
Groaned at 492 Times in 392 Posts
Thanked 21,844 Times in 8,891 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

There are quite a few very well off Brits who have planned to spend the winter 'working from home' in an opulent chalet in the mountains rather than in a severe lock-down in London.

Their options of countries to do this would now appear to be severely limited if they wish to ski as well.

But yes, they're not your average skiers.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #123  
Old 02.12.2020, 23:02
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,052
Groaned at 50 Times in 47 Posts
Thanked 3,604 Times in 1,645 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
How very condescending of you, or do you still believe it's only the middle classes who ski?
In Switzerland, from the UK - pretty sure, yes.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank newtoswitz for this useful post:
  #124  
Old 03.12.2020, 01:37
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,714
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,736 Times in 6,406 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
How very condescending of you, or do you still believe it's only the middle classes who ski?
I honestly don't know what "middle classes" means these days, but it was your use of the term "hooray henry" that implied that you think it's the preserve of some sort of privileged strata of society, whether such a thing exists or not.

In point of fact, and particularly in reference to France's history of building ski resorts for the masses, there's pretty much no "type" or "class" of people who don't ski.

And yes it's "the sort of thing a man who rents out skiing apartments would say". Why? Maybe it's because such a person has some first-hand knowledge of the way everything works? Oh, sorry, is that me being condescending again? Meh.
__________________
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Ace1 for this useful post:
  #125  
Old 03.12.2020, 23:23
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: CH
Posts: 102
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 228 Times in 62 Posts
bossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputation
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

REPORT FROM THE FRONT LINE (i.e. Saas Fee)

(I hesitated to post in this thread, or the mask one, or the corona one, but I figure this is where the skiers are.)

Just spent a long day (14 hours door-to door using public transit) to ski in Saas Fee. On the whole the experience was definitely worthwhile, but I know that I was spoiled by the fact that it was a pre-season weekday during a time when foreign tourists are essentially absent. It was great for me.... Here's the rundown on how it went:

The Good

1. Great snow conditions apart from one icy chute section that is just a bit too steep and is always icy. Otherwise, the famously shady (shadowy? en-shaded?) Saas Tal delivered, I have hardly ever had such amazing conditions as late as 3 in the afternoon. I'm someone who likes to gracefully bomb down reds, and I could carve to my heart's content. And it was nothing but blue skies above, even though we were in the shade.

2. "Mask" compliance was pretty much 100%. There were minders at the entrance and exit of lifts, but based on what I saw, the very vast majority of skiers were compliant in covering their noses and mouths in queues and lifts. Less so on piste, but I don't consider that an issue.

3. The good for me was that it wasn't busy at all, so while I spent almost all my time at the top section where you take cable car and the train, since there were so few skiers we averaged about 6-7 people per section of train where the stated limit is 23. The only crowding I felt was in the cable car coming up from Saas Fee in the morning, and heading back down at close to 4.

4. Restos were open but obviously take-away only, at lunchtime the hillside was peppered with take-awayers and picnickers. On the whole I had the feeling the majority of people there understood the spirit of the new restrictions and were compliant, and took distancing seriously. (Which is admittedly easy to do in the Alps.) I thoroughly enjoyed my piste-side picnic spot: I don't normally plonk myself down trail-side just to soak in the view, so my scenic lunch was a refreshing change for me.


The Less Good/Worrisome

1. As I mentioned earlier, "mask" compliance was high in that I hardly saw a chin or nose all day long, but a good 50% of people had nothing more substantial than a buff pulled up over their nose, or a turtleneck put in place at the appropriate time to appease the minders at the lift entrances and exits. I didn't worry too much because as I mentioned earlier, it was not at all busy or crowded. But I was having visions/memories of how densely we are normally packed in queues and cable cars, and if this virus is as contagious as they say it is (and I believe it is), if someone who has Covid has been wearing the same snotty buff since 9am is in the same cable car as me not more than 30cm away, a bunch of us in that same cable car for 15 minutes under crush conditions are going to fall sick.

2. It wasn't busy today, but I did wonder how many more people they could accommodate without eventually reaching typical crush conditions? Perhaps setting a limit on the number of day passes would be a reasonable compromise?


I am very much a believer that we need to support the ski economy as much as possible, and I certainly enjoyed my day. I hope the season can continue, perhaps with reduced capacity, as I mentioned? I think I'll write an email to the Saas Fee tourist board to give my feedback. I really do hope we can safely keep the pistes open.

My one HUGE piece of advice to anyone who is heading out to ski/snowboard is to bring along multiple masks/face coverings to change throughout the day. I think we are all accustomed to perhaps pulling up a buff before descending and removing it in the queue for the lift, but having to wear a face covering ALL THE TIME without having a chance to remove it was much more tiring/uncomforable than I anticipated. And I am a very pro-mask person, and not much of a complainer either. Luckily, I had planned in advance and brought three fabric masks (plus paper ones for the train coming and going), but the fabric masks were all horribly snotty after about two hours of non-stop use. In the afternoon I saw many poor souls with either fabric masks that seemed to be more snot than mask, or paper masks that were falling apart in front of my eyes. I felt that I'd done my part, but was less convinced of others.

Last edited by bossie; 03.12.2020 at 23:59.
Reply With Quote
The following 11 users would like to thank bossie for this useful post:
  #126  
Old 04.12.2020, 00:11
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,215
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,338 Times in 3,358 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
I think we are all accustomed to perhaps pulling up a buff before descending and removing it in the queue for the lift, but having to wear a face covering ALL THE TIME without having a chance to remove it was much more tiring/uncomforable than I anticipated. And I am a very pro-mask person, and not much of a complainer either. Luckily, I had planned in advance and brought three fabric masks (plus paper ones for the train coming and going), but the fabric masks were all horribly snotty after about two hours of non-stop use. In the afternoon I saw many poor souls with either fabric masks that seemed to be more snot than mask, or paper masks that were falling apart in front of my eyes. I felt that I'd done my part, but was less convinced of others.
Er you don't have to wear the mask all the time. It isn't required on the piste, I just checked the schutzkonzept and the canton requirements.

Lifts and queues yes but not open pistes.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #127  
Old 04.12.2020, 00:13
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 1,051
Groaned at 136 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 1,298 Times in 615 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

but using a snood on lifts and queues, etc- is not ok if the person uses the same one day in, day out. Hence good advice re taking several so you can change during the day- put the other one in sealed plastic bag in pocket or backpack, wash in hot soapy water on return and use another pair the next day- and repeat.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank JackieH for this useful post:
  #128  
Old 04.12.2020, 00:31
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: CH
Posts: 102
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 228 Times in 62 Posts
bossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputation
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
Er you don't have to wear the mask all the time. It isn't required on the piste, I just checked the schutzkonzept and the canton requirements.

Lifts and queues yes but not open pistes.
It's true you don't have to wear a face mask on piste, but am I the only one who normally always covers their face when actually skiing/boarding because it's otherwise damn cold? Especially in the shadow at Saas Fee?

I guess my point is normally I "buff up" or "scarf up" only when descending, otherwise my face is bare when I'm at a resort. And the only thing I do from morning until late afternoon is ski or impatiently wait for lifts, apart from taking the occasional pee break or downing a bit of food in a hurry. I don't dawdle. I don't smoke. I don't take selfies. I don't chat (I prefer to go alone). All I do is ski.

Today I covered up my delicate face as normal when on-piste/descending, but I did find it a bit uncomfortable to not be able to have a bit of a breather in the queues or on the lift, as I usually do. As I mentioned previously, I felt very relieved that I'd thought in advance to bring along multiple masks. The overall experience was still a bit uncomfortable, but if it's what we all need to do to survive the season I'm all for it.

Last edited by bossie; 04.12.2020 at 01:40.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bossie for this useful post:
  #129  
Old 04.12.2020, 10:21
Klostersgirl's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Stäfa and Klosters
Posts: 477
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 712 Times in 256 Posts
Klostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Actually I wonder if the pull up face coverings you saw are actually the new ones that have been made specifically for skiing and which are being encouraged around here. Although they look as though they are simply a piece of material, they do contain filters. When buying one here in Klosters, for example, it was made very clear that a new filter must be inserted for each day's use.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Klostersgirl for this useful post:
  #130  
Old 04.12.2020, 12:04
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 1,051
Groaned at 136 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 1,298 Times in 615 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

but is should be washed after each wear too. So at least have two.
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 04.12.2020, 12:06
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: CH
Posts: 102
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 228 Times in 62 Posts
bossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputationbossie has an excellent reputation
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
Actually I wonder if the pull up face coverings you saw are actually the new ones that have been made specifically for skiing and which are being encouraged around here. Although they look as though they are simply a piece of material, they do contain filters. When buying one here in Klosters, for example, it was made very clear that a new filter must be inserted for each day's use.

I did see several of those (many had a tag that said "COVID-19 Approved" or something along those lines) but a lot of what I saw were your standard flimsy buff.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bossie for this useful post:
  #132  
Old 04.12.2020, 12:18
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,388
Groaned at 413 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 19,324 Times in 10,387 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
but is should be washed after each wear too. So at least have two.
So what happened to don't touch your mask or your face?
Reply With Quote
  #133  
Old 04.12.2020, 12:34
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,714
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,736 Times in 6,406 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
So what happened to don't touch your mask or your face?
You're confusing two different aspects of protection. The 'don't touch' advice is really for those using PPE, i.e. wearing masks for their own protection; the masks we're talking about here are those used to prevent you spreading the virus to other people if you already have it.

Yes, of course it's a good idea to continue to limit how much you bring your hands in contact with eyes, nose and mouth, just as handwashing and surface sanitising remain important. but they're none of them relevant to the mask issue being discussed.

Then again, the 'change regularly, wash daily' advice is also mixing up the two to a certain extent. I certainly won't be doing that, just as I don't use a new surgical mask every single time I go out.

Quote:
View Post
It's true you don't have to wear a face mask on piste, but am I the only one who normally always covers their face when actually skiing/boarding because it's otherwise damn cold?
I very rarely ski with a mouth and nose covering in normal times, really only if it's _very_ cold, like -10 or lower. Much of the time I wouldn't even be carrying one with me.
__________________
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Ace1 for this useful post:
  #134  
Old 04.12.2020, 14:27
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 1,051
Groaned at 136 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 1,298 Times in 615 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Always have a snood around my neck, but very very rarely put on face- as you say, only in blizzards and VERY cold temps. The maximum minimum temp around here is minus 41.8C




BTW it is still snowing like crazy here in the NE Jura- what is happening in the PdS? (Portes du Soleil).


Can't copy it- but I hae a young friend who is a cartoonist for Vigousse (Romandie political satire magazine)- and today one of his cartoons is printed- of a skier going fast downill and taking off with his mask acting as a sail lol.
Reply With Quote
  #135  
Old 04.12.2020, 14:38
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,714
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,736 Times in 6,406 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post

BTW it is still snowing like crazy here in the NE Jura- what is happening in the PdS? (Portes du Soleil).
There's about 10cm settled on the ground from a couple of days ago, started snowing again at some point this morning, and looks like about another 20cm so far. At this rate I might soon have to get the snowblower out for the first time this winter.

Edit: Actually, now I've been out, I see that there's really just a dusting since yesterday - still snowing, but very light and no real accumulation so far. Forecasts show just a few mm over the next few days, which I'm glad of, as I have a new kitchen arriving on Monday and lots of snow makes bulky deliveries that much more tricky.
__________________
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com

Last edited by Ace1; 04.12.2020 at 15:42.
Reply With Quote
  #136  
Old 04.12.2020, 14:58
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 1,051
Groaned at 136 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 1,298 Times in 615 Posts
JackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond reputeJackieH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

we had to 2 days ago- and will be out soon again. Still dumping like crazy here.




https://www.facebook.com/vincent.dis...57744292438148
Reply With Quote
  #137  
Old 04.12.2020, 16:44
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,777
Groaned at 330 Times in 270 Posts
Thanked 14,161 Times in 7,297 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
In Switzerland, from the UK - pretty sure, yes.
I wonder if it wasn't the case more like say 20 years ago. Today we have people from all over the world who work here and can afford skiing and doing all sort of stuff that might seem like belonging to the "superior" classes where they come from. I think stereotypes exist for a reason (partially), but we're living in a changing world and more people have a lot more opportunities than before, so if one expresses this sort of view in public, they might not get the warmest reception so to speak.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #138  
Old 06.12.2020, 12:17
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,251
Groaned at 100 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 1,362 Times in 623 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Some of the pictures coming in from people at ski stations in Switzerland (Valais) are pretty surreal with safe distancing completely being ignored and tremendous lines

Does not bode well
Reply With Quote
  #139  
Old 07.12.2020, 12:08
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,391
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 767 Times in 471 Posts
axman has a reputation beyond reputeaxman has a reputation beyond reputeaxman has a reputation beyond reputeaxman has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
Some of the pictures coming in from people at ski stations in Switzerland (Valais) are pretty surreal with safe distancing completely being ignored and tremendous lines

Does not bode well
As I mentioned in my earlier post about the queue I saw in LAAX. A lot of people do not take the 1.5m seriously or think that 1.5m is just "a bit more than usual". The other day I was in a lunch queue at work and I thought I would just give the lady in front of me 2.5m because why not... but the guy behind me and his friends were no more than 1m from me even after I stared at him a few times and then finally reminding him, but within a minute he was again too busy chatting to pay attention and was soon standing less than 1m from me again.
Reply With Quote
  #140  
Old 07.12.2020, 13:58
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,251
Groaned at 100 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 1,362 Times in 623 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ski Season 2020/2021 - predictions

Quote:
View Post
As I mentioned in my earlier post about the queue I saw in LAAX. A lot of people do not take the 1.5m seriously or think that 1.5m is just "a bit more than usual". The other day I was in a lunch queue at work and I thought I would just give the lady in front of me 2.5m because why not... but the guy behind me and his friends were no more than 1m from me even after I stared at him a few times and then finally reminding him, but within a minute he was again too busy chatting to pay attention and was soon standing less than 1m from me again.
I talked to a friend who works in Verbier, there is a lot of frustration over how chaotic things were over the weekend. Does not bode well and I believe federal council will weigh in on this sooner than later
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
covid, ski season, skiing




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2021 basic insurance rates.... ennui Insurance 17 23.10.2020 22:28
CDL expired on 12.09.2020 requested for an extension permit stay on 11.09.2020 in GE A jojo Permits/visas/government 6 15.09.2020 14:53
Clock change 2021 Island Monkey Daily life 16 25.05.2020 21:56
1-room flat, April 1st 2020 to January 31st 2021 adryankc Property offered 0 04.03.2020 15:05
EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 marton International affairs/politics 58 05.11.2018 18:25


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0