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Feet hurting in [cross-country] ski boots

I have a flat feet and use insoles made according to my walking patern (in Croatia, not in Switzerland), which helps with not having pain during walking. with my insoles I can walk without problems, without them, not so much. I use them for 20 years, every 3 years they make the new one depending on whom my walking patern has changed.

today was my first day in langlauf school and middle of the day, I had to change the boots. first boots were to small, killing my toes and the second are a little bit too big in my opinion (they didn't have middle size). In the second one, I have put my insoles. but my feet were killing me.

I have now been reading now about the problems with flat feet and ski boots, since ski boots are so hard and don't allow any moving inside.

does someone has a good store to recommend in switzerland or some doctor or someone with whom I could talk about this problem. I really want to continue with langlauf but if the first day is any sign, if I don't find the solution, it will be one more reason to stop...
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Re: Feet hurting in ski boots

If you’re in Oberwallis, then Stoked in Zermatt are good boot fitters. Stoked.ch - not sure if they can do boot fitting right now or not though with restrictions. That said they don’t sell Langlauf boots if you are needing to buy boots, you might be better going to somewhere in Obergoms.
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Re: Feet hurting in ski boots

Did you have the bottom (foot) buckles loose and the top (ankle) buckles very tight? If not try that. The foot buckles are only there to stop snow getting in your boot. Were these rental boots? New boots take basically a full week skiing to not cause me pain.

Edit - just saw you specified langlauf - no idea then. Should be more comfortable.
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Did you have the bottom (foot) buckles loose and the top (ankle) buckles very tight? If not try that. The foot buckles are only there to stop snow getting in your boot. Were these rental boots? New boots take basically a full week skiing to not cause me pain.
They are langlauf boots. There shouldn’t be any buckles.... maybe a clip at the top on a skate boot.

Were they classic or skate boots? Classic boots really shouldn’t hurt, they are so soft. Maybe just going to get your own boots would help. My skate boots hurt at first, the actual skating put stress on my arches and I had to get really good foot beds made, also had the boot stretched slightly as they were a tiny bit too narrow and skate boots are more ridged than classic.
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Did you have the bottom (foot) buckles loose and the top (ankle) buckles very tight? If not try that. The foot buckles are only there to stop snow getting in your boot. Were these rental boots? New boots take basically a full week skiing to not cause me pain.

Edit - just saw you specified langlauf - no idea then. Should be more comfortable.
Sorry, but this is nonsense- the top buckles are essential, as well as the power band, for skiing properly although in advanced training we have to learn to ski with all buckles undone, but that is another story!

As said above, nothing to do with XC boots anyhow.
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Were they classic or skate boots? Classic boots really shouldn’t hurt, they are so soft. Maybe just going to get your own boots would help. My skate boots hurt at first, the actual skating put stress on my arches and I had to get really good foot beds made, also had the boot stretched slightly as they were a tiny bit too narrow and skate boots are more ridged than classic.
they are for classic.
I don't think the problem is the upper part, but the lower part and the fact that my feet is so flat that this type of boots are not comfortable for me.
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I have a flat feet and use insoles made according to my walking patern (in Croatia, not in Switzerland), which helps with not having pain during walking. with my insoles I can walk without problems, without them, not so much. I use them for 20 years, every 3 years they make the new one depending on whom my walking patern has changed.

today was my first day in langlauf school and middle of the day, I had to change the boots. first boots were to small, killing my toes and the second are a little bit too big in my opinion (they didn't have middle size). In the second one, I have put my insoles. but my feet were killing me.

I have now been reading now about the problems with flat feet and ski boots, since ski boots are so hard and don't allow any moving inside.

does someone has a good store to recommend in switzerland or some doctor or someone with whom I could talk about this problem. I really want to continue with langlauf but if the first day is any sign, if I don't find the solution, it will be one more reason to stop...
Got my last 2 pairs in Stockli Cham can’t recommend them highly enough, I have wonky feet so I’m a Mare to find boots that fit me.Don’t skimp on socks, get ultrathin synthetic socks as it sorted out a lot of my problems with sore/cold feet.

I usually do the first run with boots not fully tight as I guess the boot expands a bit when heated up, then I latch the boot down as hard as possible otherwise the brain goes one way the feet the other. No chance to ski fast with loose boots.
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Re: Feet hurting in ski boots

You are talking about downhill here, right? As the OP is about Xcountry.

But yes, people totally underestimate the massive difference the right pair of socks makes. Cheap, thick, square footed ones are a nightmare! I always buy thin racing socks so my feet can feel what is going on in my boots!
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Got my last 2 pairs in Stockli Cham can’t recommend them highly enough, I have wonky feet so I’m a Mare to find boots that fit me.Don’t skimp on socks, get ultrathin synthetic socks as it sorted out a lot of my problems with sore/cold feet.

I usually do the first run with boots not fully tight as I guess the boot expands a bit when heated up, then I latch the boot down as hard as possible otherwise the brain goes one way the feet the other. No chance to ski fast with loose boots.
Many expert skiers and even ski racers will do this. For just 'getting around' skiing there's no real need to have the boots holding your feet rigidly in place when you have the technique and strength to hold them there yourself, just like people used to before modern boots were around, but it's when you're wanting to crank up the speed that the control that close-fitting boots gives is really needed. And when the run is over, the clips are undone again quite quickly.

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You are talking about downhill here, right? As the OP is about Xcountry.
Thread title now amended for clarity, so this is something of a tangent, but...

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But yes, people totally underestimate the massive difference the right pair of socks makes. Cheap, thick, square footed ones are a nightmare! I always buy thin racing socks so my feet can feel what is going on in my boots!
It's true that badly fitting socks, or wearing several pairs, doesn't help anyone ski better or in more comfort, but IME it's not the major factor, which is that people underestimate the massive difference the right technique makes.

I've been through this myself, with ultra-thin socks and painfully-tight-fitting boots 'de rigeur' for a few seasons, but then somehow managed to come out the other side, once I concentrated on getting really quite competent via training as an instructor.

IME many boot/fitting problems could be much better resolved by the skier learning to better apply the mechanics of skiing. Relying on the semi-rigid boot to hold you in the correct position is only necessary because you're not able to do so yourself, and will inevitably mean that the boot shell is returning a lot of pressure to the foot as it holds it in place. This is what causes the problems - it's not that the boot putting pressure on the foot, but the foot putting pressure on the boot, so is much better resolved by fixing the problem at source.

@OP, sorry, can't help much with your issues about xcountry ski shoes, but it may be that some of the points I make could also apply here. Try to progress by finding a stance that avoids pressure, don't just blame the boots and hope that a miracle will occur when you find some that fit better - the miracle may occur, but most likely it will do so only when you develop a better technique.
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Re: Feet hurting in [cross-country] ski boots

Can I ask a stupid question?

Does one really NEED cross country ski boots? When I was growing up we just clicked/clamped our snow boots onto cross country skis.

I admit I haven't done cross country in ages and never in Switzerland.
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today was my first day in langlauf school and middle of the day, I had to change the boots. first boots were to small, killing my toes and the second are a little bit too big in my opinion (they didn't have middle size). In the second one, I have put my insoles. but my feet were killing me.

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does someone has a good store to recommend in switzerland or some doctor or someone with whom I could talk about this problem. I really want to continue with langlauf but if the first day is any sign, if I don't find the solution, it will be one more reason to stop...
Hi there,

To confirm, it seems as though you are taking lessons? One common problem beginner x-c skiers have is that they do not center their weight over the ski correctly. The skis and bindings are a lot less stable than downhill skis, and it is very easy for your feet to pronate.




Your weight should always be completely centred over the ski, with your foot in a neutral position. A trained XC-ski instructor should be able to advise you on whether you are skiing using proper technique, or if you need to work on your weight distribution/balance a bit more. So ask your instructor for their opinion the next time you see them. Like so many sports, proper technique is key to avoiding pain or injury when XC-skiing, and also having maximal fun. :-)
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Can I ask a stupid question?

Does one really NEED cross country ski boots? When I was growing up we just clicked/clamped our snow boots onto cross country skis.

I admit I haven't done cross country in ages
Clearly. Decades, I imagine. Yes, they fittings are completely different, the boots are light and flexible, in no way comparable. Cross country skis are so narrow you couldn't even fit an alpine binding onto them.

What you describe can work these days with touring bindings, which can be fitted on any alpine skis and allow the heel to be clipped down or lift up to allow skating and walking.
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Can I ask a stupid question?

Does one really NEED cross country ski boots? When I was growing up we just clicked/clamped our snow boots onto cross country skis.

I admit I haven't done cross country in ages and never in Switzerland.

I can't see how you can do that with normal boots tbh. Plus it's also a matter of stability, no? I have the most comfortable cross country ski boots but I looked a lot till I found them.
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Re: Feet hurting in [cross-country] ski boots

You also need XC ski boots which are compatible with the XC skis you have, as there are different kinds of systems to clip boot to ski, and again, as said above, it depends if you XC classic, or XC skate- different skis and boots altogether.
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Can I ask a stupid question?

Does one really NEED cross country ski boots? When I was growing up we just clicked/clamped our snow boots onto cross country skis.

I admit I haven't done cross country in ages and never in Switzerland.
LOL I remember those days- leather boots with laces, thick red knitted socks and mittens ... and the Kandahar bindings, invented in St Croix by my friend's grand-father. And the skis at a long square point at the front to attach the seal skins, with side straps front and back and a long strap at back to tie taught so they wouldn't flop too much. You unhooked the sides so your foot could go up and down to walk up the mountain with skins preventing you, most of the time, from sliding down backwards. At the top you took skins off and rolled them up to put in rucksack, after you had taken picnic out and flask. And then you put skis back on and tied the binding down to the ski with wire under the hooks to clamp your foot to the ski. Sticks were made of hazelnut, with a metal and leather basket, or bamboo.... And down you went- took about 2.5 to 3 hours to skin up and about 20- to 30 to ski down. lol (50s and early 60s).

Skis were very long too, all wood, you stood up with your hand raised above your head, and ski length was that to the tip of your fingers lol.

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LOL I remember those days- leather boots with laces, thick red knitted socks and mittens ... and the Kandahar bindings, invented in St Croix by my friend's grand-father. And the skis at a long square point at the front to attach the seal skins, with side straps front and back and a long strap at back to tie taught so they wouldn't flop too much. You unhooked the sides so your foot could go up and down to walk up the mountain with skins preventing you, most of the time, from sliding down backwards. At the top you took skins off and rolled them up to put in rucksack, after you had taken picnic out and flask. And then you put skis back on and tied the binding down to the ski with wire under the hooks to clamp your foot to the ski. Sticks were made of hazelnut, with a metal and leather basket, or bamboo.... And down you went- took about 2.5 to 3 hours to skin up and about 20- to 30 to ski down. lol (50s and early 60s).
It must have been a lot of fun even then.
But I love cross country ski equipment, the boots, the jackets, trousers, the hat, everything. It already puts me in a good mood before even seeing the snow.
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Re: Feet hurting in [cross-country] ski boots

OP you need to go to a large shop try out different brands and models. And keep them on for a long time in the shop.

Both me and my husband have had issues with alpine boots over the years, made loads of modifications, eventually we both found we can step into a pair of Salomon boots, with no modifications and have no pain. We just have Salomon feet. My langlauf boots are also Salomon.

Try lower end performance boots, these tend to be wider than the higher end boots.

Try both mens and womens boots, they have different shapes and volumes.

Try many different brands, Salomon, Rossignol, Fischer, Alpina, Atomic etc.

As mentioned, thin socks - and a size smaller than your actual shoe size. Try boots on with the socks you will ski in.
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Sorry, but this is nonsense- the top buckles are essential, as well as the power band, for skiing properly although in advanced training we have to learn to ski with all buckles undone, but that is another story!

As said above, nothing to do with XC boots anyhow.
eh? i didn't say they weren't. i said the foot buckles don't need to be tight.
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Re: Feet hurting in [cross-country] ski boots

I was responding to this comment '' The foot buckles are only there to stop snow getting in your boot.''

They certainly do a lot more than that
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As mentioned, thin socks - and a size smaller than your actual shoe size. Try boots on with the socks you will ski in.
Why smaller? I was told today that for classic sking thhey need to be size bigger.
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